Ben and Lebeau

[skyhawk]

No, Roethlisberger and Tomlin's overrated youth movement players are our undoing.

"Youth movement"?" That is ridiculous. Our veterans can't freaking stay on the field.

Allow me to clarify. I mean the type of marginally talented, hardly productive at all at the collegiate level players that we have become so enamored with drafting since Tomlin arrived.

Like Pouncey, Wallace, Woodley, Antonio Brown, and Mendenhall?

Those players were hardly productive collegiate players?

Edit: I think you are being tongue in cheek here?

[papillon]

[quote=skyhawk]

surely him not playing was the difference in this game

Probably why Ben won't allow Tomlin or Airens to play him. We'll never know...
Of course afterwards Ben could always say that due to injury he shouldn't have played. Similar to the SF game.

Surely you're not suggesting that Ben had a GOOD game yesterday?

He or she may not be, but I will suggest that Ben had a good game yesterday. There were three incredibly easy drops that change the game significantly, a 7 yard YPA and 10 yard YPC, 1 TD and one pick and some sacks that were avoidable, but all in all a pretty good game. Not a great game, but a good game and certainly good enough to win yesterday.

Pappy

gonna have to disagree with you Pappy. Ben did not have the best game. Go back and rewatch the game. More than several times he locked in on players and missed some very wide open targets (saw both TE wide open on the pass to Wallace in the EZ). Not complaining, cause I know Ben's eyes are always downfield, but defenses know this now. Ben needs to learn to take what they are giving him.

Ben played like crap in the 1st half and pretty darn good in the 2nd. Overall not to bad for being on the road. But once again, the overrated Steeler D can't get a stop when they need one.[/quote:2trva42t]

The receivers played like crap in the first half. Ben was average, missed a few, made a few, but the drops really were the difference, IMO.

It was not his best game (not even close), but he played well enough to win. The Denver defense is a good defense. Ben audibled into some runs, I wish he had done it more often. Like I said earlier, Ben wasn't the problem, he played well enough for the Steelers to win.

Pappy

[Dresden]

No, Roethlisberger and Tomlin's overrated youth movement players are our undoing.

"Youth movement"?" That is ridiculous. Our veterans can't freaking stay on the field.

Allow me to clarify. I mean the type of marginally talented, hardly productive at all at the collegiate level players that we have become so enamored with drafting since Tomlin arrived.

Like Pouncey, Wallace, Woodley, Antonio Brown, and Mendenhall?

I'd have to say Sir that the selections of Wood, Pouncey and the potential of Brown/Wallace are greatly offset by,....

1) Trading up and wasting picks on punter. (Sepulveda)

2) Using a top 20 pick on Timmons when Beaz and Poz were still on the board, and not even considering trying to trade up for Willis if your that serious about getting a actual stud backer.

3) Passing Desean Jackson to draft a "looks like Tarzan has the heart of Jane" big ten scatback

4) Drafting Limas Sweed (at all)

5) Drafting William Gay (at all)

6) Drafting Ziggy Hood (in the 1st,....really)

7) Drafting Jason Worilds (in the 2nd,..really ?)

Drafting Keenan Lewis (at all)

Should i proceed,...with all the other wasted picks with dudes like "Sonny" Harris, Mundy and others, along with the fact that Ben Roethlisberger and Arians (by proxy) are allowed to actually be the individuals controlling our current unit's destiny while Tomlin babbles coachspeak rhetoric and does little else ?

Of course,...you will probably have a justification for everything i just mentioned,..and that's cool. (Greatness of our Nation) But that's how i see it.

And since i've made it through the late 80's and Kordell,... i understand that this too,...shall pass.

[Dresden]

No, Roethlisberger and Tomlin's overrated youth movement players are our undoing.

"Youth movement"?" That is ridiculous. Our veterans can't freaking stay on the field.

Allow me to clarify. I mean the type of marginally talented, hardly productive at all at the collegiate level players that we have become so enamored with drafting since Tomlin arrived.

What level do you suggest we draft from?

What i am suggesting sir is that anyone whom states that they "will not be swayed and or enamored by actual talent", and believes that "ordinary" is the benchmark for a any professional in any field (especially Pro Football) should not have anything to do whatsoever with the Draft process. No matter where we are selecting in any round.