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    Surreal scene as Jets clean lockers, changes loom

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... ets-wrapup


    By DENNIS WASZAK Jr.

    FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP)—Rex Ryan stood in front of his team for one last time and his eyes teared up.

    This wasn’t exactly how the New York Jets pictured their season to end. But with his bold Super Bowl hopes dashed, Ryan couldn’t help but get emotional.

    “He was crying because he loves us,” guard Matt Slauson said Monday. “He respects us, he knows what we are capable of and we didn’t even come close to our goals.”

    That’s for sure. This was the year the Jets were going to deliver the franchise its long-awaited second Lombardi Trophy. Ryan guaranteed it. And after two straight trips to the AFC championship game, who could doubt the possibility?

    But the Jets (8- never really put it together and it was a somewhat surreal setting a day after a loss at Miami ended a disappointing season as they cleared out their lockers. Ryan had what some players called a “harsh” talk with the players, telling them they needed to get back to being a team and not just a group of individuals.

    “It’s not fun losing,” quarterback Mark Sanchez said.

    Added Slauson: “We’re sick, we’re disappointed and we’re hurting a lot.”

    That was clear from a mostly empty locker room as several players were already gone, and a few—including the normally media-friendly Darrelle Revis and Nick Folk—chose to not speak.

    Linebacker Bart Scott bristled as he was walking out when asked about a report that he likely wouldn’t be back next season. “All I know is I’ve got a guaranteed contract for $4 million,” he snarled. He then used an expletive at a photographer and stuck out his middle finger, adding: “Take a picture of this.”

    That wasn’t all, though. Wide receiver Santonio Holmes, benched Sunday after arguing with teammates in the huddle, went to his locker, grabbed a box and a helmet and was then escorted out of the locker room by a public relations staff member without talking to the media.

    Holmes was still the hot topic Monday after he was yanked as the Jets tried to rally in the fourth quarter. LaDainian Tomlinson said the team was unhappy about the effort, demeanor and body language of Holmes, a team captain. He was held without a catch for the first time in his 88-game career and sulked while standing alone on the sideline as the team lost 19-17, ending the Jets’ playoff chances.

    “I wouldn’t single Santonio out like he was the sole problem,” receiver Patrick Turner said. “It’s a team sport and one’s wrong, we’re all wrong.”

    Sanchez declined to comment on what went on with Holmes, saying it was an “in-house” issue that shouldn’t be discussed through the media. But ESPNNewYork.com reported that the two clashed at a meeting last week, and several players questioned Holmes’ captaincy throughout the season.

    Holmes and guard Brandon Moore went back and forth earlier this season when the receiver criticized the offensive line for not protecting Sanchez or giving him enough time to throw long passes. Moore said that kind of talk could have “a fracturing effect”—and it appears he was right.

    “There’s a lot of reasons we didn’t have the kind of season we wanted, and chemistry can go down on that list,” Moore said.

    When asked if he was disappointed by Holmes’ actions, Moore said: “I don’t know if disappointed’s the word. I don’t really have words to describe what that was.”

    He also declined to discuss whether a team could accept a player who was deemed by some to have “quit” back next season.

    “I don’t really have anything to say about 10,” Moore said, referring to Holmes by his jersey number.

    While it might be hard to unload a contract such as the one Holmes signed before the season for almost $50 million, most players seemed to think there would be plenty of changes this offseason. They could start with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who has been criticized all year for failing to develop Sanchez and run an effective and consistent offense.

    Ryan has said he expects Schottenheimer to return next season—unless he’s hired as a head coach elsewhere. Despite the heavy criticism and the offense finishing 25th overall, the 38-year-old Schottenheimer is still considered an up-and-coming head coaching candidate who could be in line for jobs such as Jacksonville and Miami.

    Sanchez has also been the subject of lots of criticism as he didn’t progress in his third season as many had hoped. He threw three interceptions against the Dolphins and did little to cement his role as the Jets’ long-term answer at quarterback. He threw a career-high 26 touchdown passes, but seven of his 18 interceptions came in the last three games—all losses.

    “My job is to come back a better quarterback, a better leader,” Sanchez said. “That’s what my focus is on.”

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    Darn, why couldn't the Ravens have kept Scott, hired Ryan and signed Santonio ?

    You see, I'll that stuff starts at the top. Buddy Ryan was a cancer to his team and so is Rex. That brash and cocky attitude does more harm to a team in my opinion. It may fire them up for a while but eventually, you need a group of men to function as a team, put the egos in check and that, is something a Ryan team will never have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerphile
    Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

    But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.
    if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick
    Even though I never liked that deal as it turned out after the draft someone posted how we traded one of our 5th rd picks [probably that one] to Zona for a starting CB and a 6th rd pick and took Antonio Brown with it. Talk about fallin into it even though McFadden appears to be finished.

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    I know it's easy to rip Stonio but the guy pretty much walked the Jets to their last playoff run with 3 or 4 game winning catches.

    The guy is your typical high profile WR. It's rare to find a top notch WR who isn't all about themselves. Hines had a few moments where he pouted and stirred up trouble so it's not as big a deal as I think some are trying to make it.

    Holmes pouting isn't a big deal and I think it's a cop out for what really plagues this team. The fact that he was made a captain by Happy Feet who talks big but can't back it up because his QB is sub par is the real problem.

    Given Holmes history is this really big news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    I know it's easy to rip Stonio but the guy pretty much walked the Jets to their last playoff run with 3 or 4 game winning catches.

    The guy is your typical high profile WR. It's rare to find a top notch WR who isn't all about themselves. Hines had a few moments where he pouted and stirred up trouble so it's not as big a deal as I think some are trying to make it.

    Holmes pouting isn't a big deal and I think it's a cop out for what really plagues this team. The fact that he was made a captain by Happy Feet who talks big but can't back it up because his QB is sub par is the real problem.

    Given Holmes history is this really big news?
    maybe in this day and age you are right feltdizz....but I dont remember the likes of Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann, or Steve Largent putting on hissy fits.... maybe it is a media thing too. Too much info leaking out of locker rooms these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast
    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    I know it's easy to rip Stonio but the guy pretty much walked the Jets to their last playoff run with 3 or 4 game winning catches.

    The guy is your typical high profile WR. It's rare to find a top notch WR who isn't all about themselves. Hines had a few moments where he pouted and stirred up trouble so it's not as big a deal as I think some are trying to make it.

    Holmes pouting isn't a big deal and I think it's a cop out for what really plagues this team. The fact that he was made a captain by Happy Feet who talks big but can't back it up because his QB is sub par is the real problem.

    Given Holmes history is this really big news?
    maybe in this day and age you are right feltdizz....but I dont remember the likes of Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann, or Steve Largent putting on hissy fits.... maybe it is a media thing too. Too much info leaking out of locker rooms these days.
    Those guys are grandfathers and old heads...Holmes grew up watching the generation after those guys.

    Also have to remember there were more WR's then those 3 mentioned. Micheal Irving had his faults...

    Guys like Larry Fitzgerald still exist but that doesn't sell papers or get clicks in NYC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyplay1
    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerphile
    Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

    But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.
    if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick
    Even though I never liked that deal as it turned out after the draft someone posted how we traded one of our 5th rd picks [probably that one] to Zona for a starting CB and a 6th rd pick and took Antonio Brown with it. Talk about fallin into it even though McFadden appears to be finished.
    Hard to believe that the Steelers and Cardinals made out the best, and the Jets made out the worst. Who woulda thunk it at that time?

    The Jets got Super Bowl MVP for a mere 5th round pick (and regret it now).

    The Steelers turned that 5th round pick into Bryant McFadden and a 6th round pick that became Antonio Brown (who is already better than Holmes both on and off the field, and he is doing so for a fraction of the huge contract the Jets gave to Holmes).

    The Cardinals turned that 5th round pick into QB John Skelton (who appears to be better than their big free agent acquisition Kevin Kolb).

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    It starts at the top with that franchise - at least as high up as the HC. The team sees a brash media whore as their HC and decide that it is okay to try to set yourself apart from the team in order to grab the attention....like ol' Rexy. Bart Scott became a bit of a poster boy as the "Can't Wait!" guy, but at least he kept his focus on the field. Santonio found another way to set him self apart....but that doesn't seem to be working so well. Remember also that this team jetisoned Braylon Edwards out of town during a minor WR vs. everyone else revolt.

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    [quote=Discipline of Steel]
    Quote Originally Posted by "NJ-STEELER":3h0bma7s
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerphile
    Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

    But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.
    if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick
    Yeah but then no 'MVP' Antonio Brown. I think it worked out perfect...Colbert and Tomlin have incredible foresight![/quote:3h0bma7s]

    maybe they would have signed victor cruz to a UDFA contract. who knows what the plans were.. its not like brown wasnt passed up by every team 6 times

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Quote Originally Posted by Keyplay1
    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerphile
    Unloading Santonio for that 5th rounder is looking like a very prescient and smart personnel move. I was slightly surprised when it happened, but not upset. It was a rather bold decision, to cut ties with one of your best offensive players and a SuperBowl MVP, for what could have easily become nothing, since 5th rounders are often cut.

    But the head coach and personnel people could see the problems that would probably occur with Holmes in the future. Not only drug related but also attitudinal. This is one of the reasons I have a lot of faith in Tomlin and the Steeler personnel people. They evaluate character and players, well.
    if he left as a free agent after his last signed year, we likely would have received a 3rd round compensation pick
    Even though I never liked that deal as it turned out after the draft someone posted how we traded one of our 5th rd picks [probably that one] to Zona for a starting CB and a 6th rd pick and took Antonio Brown with it. Talk about fallin into it even though McFadden appears to be finished.
    Hard to believe that the Steelers and Cardinals made out the best, and the Jets made out the worst. Who woulda thunk it at that time?

    The Jets got Super Bowl MVP for a mere 5th round pick (and regret it now).

    The Steelers turned that 5th round pick into Bryant McFadden and a 6th round pick that became Antonio Brown (who is already better than Holmes both on and off the field, and he is doing so for a fraction of the huge contract the Jets gave to Holmes).

    The Cardinals turned that 5th round pick into QB John Skelton (who appears to be better than their big free agent acquisition Kevin Kolb).
    while that is all true now

    you're leaving out him personally winnign 3-4 games for the jets last year that
    1) got them into the playoffs in the first place and
    2) made a great Run at the superbowl. beating both peyton and brady on the road before losing to us

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