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    Re: OT: Penn State trustees fire Joe Paterno

    Let me ask you guys this question....if Jerry Sandusky's victims grow up and become just like him (a child molester), would you still see them as a victim or as predator like Sandusky?

    Wouldn't they still be victims of what had happened to them? A lifetime scare/stamp that a monster had put on them?

    This is not to justify what Sandusky did (it is a horrible thing that needs to be punished severely), but usually men who do this are men who had this happen to them themselves. It is a horrible cycle that needs to be broken. Unfortunately in many cases it never get's broken.

    This is an evil thing that only has one solution in my opinion.

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    The hits just keep on coming...

    I am not a big fan of Mark Madden but for this I give him major cudos.

    Penn State Scandal: Jerry Sandusky Rumored To Have 'Pimped' Boys To Donors: REPORT

    Several hours after these SportsByBrooks tweets, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden appeared on The Dennis and Callahan Show on WEEI in Boston and shared what he believes those allegations to be.

    "I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden said on the radio. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

    Madden has been following the Sandusky case long before the former coach's alleged sex crimes against young boys became widely known several days ago. In April, Madden authored an article for the Beaver County Times positing that Sandusky's sex crimes had been swept under the rug by Penn State in the late 1990s in exchange for his quiet resignation.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1086099.html


    Here is the link and excerpt from the Madden story from April 2011

    The Jerry Sandusky situation seems a matter of failure to connect certain dots, or perhaps unwillingness in that regard. Lots of people besides the former Penn State defensive coordinator have some explaining to do.

    Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.

    Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.

    It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?
    http://www.timesonline.com/columnist...a4bcf6878.html

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    Re: OT: Penn State trustees fire Joe Paterno

    Quote Originally Posted by _SteeL_CurtaiN_
    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    I think 99% of the fans who are defending Joe are actually defending the "myth" of JoePa and PSU and not the actual event. I don't think anyone is defending sex with a child...


    It's sick as hell though... this is new territory for a college.

    Too many men witnessed too many things for this to stay covered up for so long.

    The problem is the perception, this isn't sex with children it's child rape. One imply's consent. The myth/legend of Joe Paterno that these kids are protesting for was used to cover up the rape of children IMO NO ONE should be trying to protect THAT!

    Pennsyl-Tucky at it's 17th century best! Wait until you see how little time this monster gets! Drug dealers get more time that these sicko's, watch and see he will get like 7-10 years at most when he should really be shot!
    sex with children IS rape. There is no such thing as consent when you are 10 or 11 and the other person is over 50.


    and I agree... pedophiles never EVER rehabilitate, they should be locked up for life.

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    This is bad... REALLY REALLY BAD!


    http://www.planetsteelers.com/phpBB3...ly&f=2&t=19379

    Former Penn State Coach Prosecutor Center of Missing Man Mystery

    The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years.

    Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year.

    READ: Ex-Penn State Coach Won't Speak on Child Sex Abuse Charges

    Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

    His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.

    "We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth."
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    PHOTO: Penn St ex-coach, others charged in child sex case
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    Former Penn State football defensive coordinator Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky, center, arrives in handcuffs at the office of Centre County Magisterial District Judge Leslie A. Dutchcot while being escorted by Pennsylvania State Police and Attorney General's Office officials on Saturday, Nov. 5, 2011, in State College, Pa.

    READ: Penn State's Joe Paterno Cancels News Conference

    In July this year, Gricar was officially declared dead, though Weaver said the investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and new leads continue to emerge.

    Weaver said that though everyone has a personal theory about what may have happened to Gricar -- from suicide to foul play -- there has been no evidence to support any one of them. The idea that the disappearance could be linked to the Sandusky investigation, Weaver said, is "highly doubtful."

    "Obviously if something raises an eye, it's something we'll look at," he said. "Nothing is out of the realm of possibility."

    Robert Buehner, the district attorney for nearby Montour County and longtime friend of Gricar's, told ABC News he's convinced Gricar was murdered but said there was "absolutely" no connection to the Sandusky case. Buehner said Gricar was more likely the target of a violent criminal he had prosecuted or was in the midst of prosecuting. He doubted Gricar would have committed suicide or simply ran off because he was happy, financially stable and often talked fondly of his impending retirement.

    As to why Gricar did not pursue charges against Sandusky in 1998, Buehner said that Gricar must simply not have had the evidence he needed.

    "If you're going to target someone, you really work very hard to be sure you have a case because if you don't, you could end up ruining someone's reputation and livelihood," Buehner said. "If he had the evidence, Ray would not have concerned himself with who the person was."

    Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions, was arrested Saturday and arraigned on 40 criminal counts connected to the alleged sexual abuse of eight boys over a fifteen year period.

    Sandusky declined to comment on the accusations to ABC News Monday.

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    Re: OT: Penn State trustees fire Joe Paterno

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz

    sex with children IS rape. There is no such thing as consent when you are 10 or 11 and the other person is over 50.


    and I agree... pedophiles never EVER rehabilitate, they should be locked up for life.

    I agree but rape paints it in the grisly, demented and sickening light that it is, IMHO.

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    Re: OT: Penn State trustees fire Joe Paterno

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub
    Let me ask you guys this question....if Jerry Sandusky's victims grow up and become just like him (a child molester), would you still see them as a victim or as predator like Sandusky?

    Wouldn't they still be victims of what had happened to them? A lifetime scare/stamp that a monster had put on them?

    This is not to justify what Sandusky did (it is a horrible thing that needs to be punished severely), but usually men who do this are men who had this happen to them themselves. It is a horrible cycle that needs to be broken. Unfortunately in many cases it never get's broken.

    This is an evil thing that only has one solution in my opinion.

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    You are no longer a victim if you victimize someone else IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Personally, I don't understand how any person who witnesses a grown man sexually assaulting a young boy in a shower could run away and call his father, when the natural response should be to beat the old man mercilessly and free the child, but you can't just say that multiple Penn State officials "may have also been involved in similar activities with young boys"...there is absolutely zero evidence regarding anything of that nature from anyone except for that piece of subhuman scum Sandusky, so suggesting such things is slanderous at the very least.
    This makes no sense to me either. If his grand jury testimony is to be believed, who witnesses something like that and just runs away??? You step in, or at a minimum, call 911 immediately.

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    Re: OT: Penn State trustees fire Joe Paterno

    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq
    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Personally, I don't understand how any person who witnesses a grown man sexually assaulting a young boy in a shower could run away and call his father, when the natural response should be to beat the old man mercilessly and free the child, but you can't just say that multiple Penn State officials "may have also been involved in similar activities with young boys"...there is absolutely zero evidence regarding anything of that nature from anyone except for that piece of subhuman scum Sandusky, so suggesting such things is slanderous at the very least.
    This makes no sense to me either. If his grand jury testimony is to be believed, who witnesses something like that and just runs away??? You step in, or at a minimum, call 911 immediately.
    most people would... but when you are in love with your university you want to protect it and your job at all cost. If this came out in 1998 do you really think PSU would be where it is today?

    These people were all in on it... How does a mother not run to the police upon hearing her child's story?

    These kind of things tend to make everyone uncomfortable and some of the victims families probably didn't want the story to break.

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    Re: OT: Penn State trustees fire Joe Paterno

    Quote Originally Posted by flippy
    People should boycott this weekend's game.

    If people show up, it will show they prefer football over morality. I can't believe there's still a fan base out there who's supportive of Paterno.

    Penn State should be eliminated from the NCAA indefinitely.

    If USC gets banned from bowls, on probation, loses scholarships, etc because Reggie Bush got paid, Penn State's football program should be ended permenantly given what was allowed to happen.

    Not only should they end football at Penn State, they should take away all state and federal funding to the school.

    I think there's more to this. I suspect the men who looked the other way and allowed Sandusky to do what he did may have also been involved in similar activities with young boys. Why else would they condone this activity unless they too were guilty and participating in some way?

    F Penn State. I will never root for them again.

    I think the Steelers should send a message by cutting Kapinos.

    Maybe Roger Goodell could fine all former Penn State players. Clearly many of them had to have known about this.
    Sorry Flippy but I think you have gone off the deep end on this. We still don't know what happened or who knew what. The prosecutor can get people to say just about anything they want them to in the Grand Jury.

    I still don't think it was widespread knowledge about the accused yet you want everyone who went to Penn State at that time to lose their job or have a financial penalty. Don't you think that's over-reacting?
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    Re: OT: Penn State trustees fire Joe Paterno

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
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    Let me ask you guys this question....if Jerry Sandusky's victims grow up and become just like him (a child molester), would you still see them as a victim or as predator like Sandusky?

    Wouldn't they still be victims of what had happened to them? A lifetime scare/stamp that a monster had put on them?

    This is not to justify what Sandusky did (it is a horrible thing that needs to be punished severely), but usually men who do this are men who had this happen to them themselves. It is a horrible cycle that needs to be broken. Unfortunately in many cases it never get's broken.

    This is an evil thing that only has one solution in my opinion.

    Mark 2:17/Matthew 9:12
    You are no longer a victim if you victimize someone else IMO.
    Feltdizz, do you know the magnitude of being sexually abused as a young child? If you are victimized by a sexual predator as a child you will surely be traumatized and scared emotionally beyond near repair at times. A victim can surely struggle with anxiety, fear, shame, a sense of inadequacy, the need to control situations and others, a perception of self as victim, and in many cases, identification with the aggressor.

    A child who is the victim of prolonged sexual abuse usually develops low self-esteem, a feeling of worthlessness and an abnormal or distorted view of sex. The child may become withdrawn and mistrustful of adults, and can become suicidal.

    Some children who have been sexually abused have difficulty relating to others except on sexual terms. Some sexually abused children become child abusers or prostitutes, or have other serious problems when they reach adulthood.

    To not understand that these victims wont become sick themselves after sickness has been put on them or that these traumatic events wont lead to them themselves becoming distorted to the point where all they know is what was done to them, and then thus become that, wouldn't still be considered a victim, I personally dont get that.
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