Big Ben's refusal to quit drinking could be a big mistake

[MeetJoeGreene]

Do you know how much Flori suck? So much that there aren't even many good anagrams of his name. The best one I could find proves he is on drugs:

Emir Of Kilo


Some other lame ones:

Rookie Film
File Irk Moo
File Mi Rook
Life Irk Moo
Life Mi Rook
Fire Ilk Moo
Fire Kilo Om
Fire Mi Look
Rife Ilk Moo
Rife Kilo Om
Rife Mi Look
Foe Kilo Rim
Foe Irk Limo
Like If Room
Like If Moor
Like Fir Moo
Like Roof Mi
Liker If Moo
Mike Foil Or
Mike Floor I
Mike Of Roil
Mike Fro Oil
Mike For Oil
Mile If Rook
Lime If Rook
Moire Folk I
Moire Of Ilk
Mire If Look
Mire Of Kilo
Emir If Look
Emir Of Kilo
Rime If Look
Rime Of Kilo
Looker If Mi
Em Folio Irk
Me Folio Irk
Romeo If Ilk
More If Kilo

[feltdizz]

Or maybe its simply non of our business. Ben also said that it runs in the family. Did it occur to anyone that perhaps Ben's biggest issue is his love to party?

if he stayed out of "trouble/news headlines" it wouldn't be anyones business...

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Ben is doing these things sober then we have a full blown wild child on our hands.

[Shawn]

Or maybe its simply non of our business. Ben also said that it runs in the family. Did it occur to anyone that perhaps Ben's biggest issue is his love to party?

if he stayed out of "trouble/news headlines" it wouldn't be anyones business...

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if Ben is doing these things sober then we have a full blown wild child on our hands.

I agree...and highly suspect alcohol is a factor. One of the criteria for alcoholism is negative consequences to drinking.

[cruzer8]

I'm not at all surprised to see that people who either admit they have problems with alcohol or who have alcoholics in the family are quick to assume that Ben has an issue with alcohol.

That seems to be a trend. Addicts almost always assume someone else is an addict too.

[Shawn]

I'm not at all surprised to see that people who either admit they have problems with alcohol or who have alcoholics in the family are quick to assume that Ben has an issue with alcohol.

That seems to be a trend. Addicts almost always assume someone else is an addict too.

I also find a trend that those who drink minimize the effects of alcohol, symptoms of alcoholism etc. It's a human tendency to evaluate through our own filters. With that said, the things I have stated can be seen in any medical book on addiction. And for the record I stick with the statistics. 1 in 10 of us will develop a clinical diagnosis of addiction. That number is shaded down due to reporting and recognition issues. Our ability to see trends and symptoms in recent years has improved significantly due to education. Your last statement is mostly incorrect. I don't know many addicts or alcoholics who see addiction in everyone they run into. But, they are more aware of the symptoms than the general public.

[cruzer8]

I'm not at all surprised to see that people who either admit they have problems with alcohol or who have alcoholics in the family are quick to assume that Ben has an issue with alcohol.

That seems to be a trend. Addicts almost always assume someone else is an addict too.

I also find a trend that those who drink minimize the effects of alcohol, symptoms of alcoholism etc. It's a human tendency to evaluate through our own filters. With that said, the things I have stated can be seen in any medical book on addiction. And for the record I stick with the statistics. 1 in 10 of us will develop a clinical diagnosis of addiction. That number is shaded down due to reporting and recognition issues. Our ability to see trends and symptoms in recent years has improved significantly due to education. Your last statement is mostly incorrect. I don't many addicts or alcoholics who see addiction in everyone they run into. But, they are more aware of the symptoms than the general public.

I'm just making an observation based on what I've seen in my life and that trend seems to hold true here as well.

I don't drink or do any drugs. Never have. I don't even take any prescription medications. So there's no filtering on my part.

[Shawn]

From the mayoclinic site on alcoholism one of the main symptoms of alcohol abuse is...

Having legal problems or problems with relationships, employment or finances due to drinking

This alone is reason to get an evaluation.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I don't drink at all. Never had any desire to drink or smoke or do any drugs other than Tylenol and the like. The whole concept of getting drunk or high just seemed dumb to me and I didn't want to be a part of it, even though I understood that I was in a miniscule minority in high school, college, and even today. I prefer to keep my wits about me, and if I want a brief escape from some of the dredgeries of everyday life, I can watch a movie, play a game, do something athletic, etc. That works for me. Therefore, I don't have much of a frame of reference to comment on the effects of alcohol, since I never experienced it myself.

That being said, my opinion is that alcohol almost certainly played a significant role in whatever happened in Millegeville that night. But I have no reason to believe that Ben, the girl, or anyone else there is an alcoholic, just because there were some negative consequences that evening.

[Shawn]

I'm not at all surprised to see that people who either admit they have problems with alcohol or who have alcoholics in the family are quick to assume that Ben has an issue with alcohol.

That seems to be a trend. Addicts almost always assume someone else is an addict too.

I also find a trend that those who drink minimize the effects of alcohol, symptoms of alcoholism etc. It's a human tendency to evaluate through our own filters. With that said, the things I have stated can be seen in any medical book on addiction. And for the record I stick with the statistics. 1 in 10 of us will develop a clinical diagnosis of addiction. That number is shaded down due to reporting and recognition issues. Our ability to see trends and symptoms in recent years has improved significantly due to education. Your last statement is mostly incorrect. I don't many addicts or alcoholics who see addiction in everyone they run into. But, they are more aware of the symptoms than the general public.

I'm just making an observation based on what I've seen in my life and that trend seems to hold true here as well.

I don't drink or do any drugs. Never have. I don't even take any prescription medications. So there's no filtering on my part.

Gotcha. Well, your statement is an overgeneralization not based on fact. Many times early alcoholics long to "drink like normal people". That in itself shows that many alcoholics recognize the difference in normal and abnormal consumption of alcohol.

[Shawn]

I don't drink at all. Never had any desire to drink or smoke or do any drugs other than Tylenol and the like. The whole concept of getting drunk or high just seemed dumb to me and I didn't want to be a part of it, even though I understood that I was in a miniscule minority in high school, college, and even today. I prefer to keep my wits about me, and if I want a brief escape from some of the dredgeries of everyday life, I can watch a movie, play a game, do something athletic, etc. That works for me. Therefore, I don't have much of a frame of reference to comment on the effects of alcohol, since I never experienced it myself.

That being said, my opinion is that alcohol almost certainly played a significant role in whatever happened in Millegeville that night. But I have no reason to believe that Ben, the girl, or anyone else there is an alcoholic, just because there were some negative consequences that evening.

Fair enough...but the fact that alcohol likely played a role supports the notion of alcohol abuse at the very least. I know a professional white collar recovering alcoholic who only drank 1-2 times a month. But, many times when he drank he got himself into fights or legal troubles. He was diagnosed by some of the best minds in addiction with alcoholism.