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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    This is a response to a Lefty ballwasher that someone posted on another forum. I thought it summed things up quite nicely.

    The Leftwich ballwashing is getting pretty tiring, even for someone like me that mostly just lurks and reads posts.

    For starters, he was 4-1 ( 0-0 technically because he didn't start any of the games), one of the 5 games he threw a pass in was in the loss to the Eagles.

    And it's an anomaly because only twice in those games was he in the game during a meaningful amount of time, and one of the times was in a meaningless week 17 game with the division and a first round bye already locked up.

    Vs Houston - Leftwich takes his first snap when the game is already 35-3 in the first quarter.
    1st possession? 1 incomplete pass in a 3&Out, Houston responds with a TD

    2nd possession? 1 incomplete pass in a 3&Out, Harrison and Woodley force and recover a Schaub fumble and Pit gets the ball back on the Houston 28

    3rd possession? Lefty throws 2 more incomplete passes, but Pit's already in FG range. FG is made, Houston scores another TD but it's too late, and Lefty kneels.

    Leftwich contribution? 4 incomplete passes, all 4 net yards with Lefty undercenter come from 5 handoffs to Mendenhall.

    vs Eagles - There's two minutes left and the Eagles are up 9, but Leftwich manages to look pretty competent here. He goes 4 for 7 to move the ball 60 yards against a prevent D, but the possession ends when Lefty takes a 9 yard loss on a sack on 3rd and 1, then throws incomplete on 4th down.

    vs Bengals - Leftwich saves the day with a touchdown pass in the final minutes. Except the Steelers were already up 31-10 with under 5 minutes to go in the 4th, Leftwich started out on the Bengals' 34 yard line, and the first player with a hand on the pass was John Joseph who tipped the ball into Ward's hands.

    vs Redskins - Lefty's best game as a Steeler. He comes in after halftime when the Steelers are leading 10-6 (due to a Roethlisberger rushing TD mind you) and posts up 129 Yards, contributing to 2 scoring drives including a Leftwich TD pass. During this half, the Steelers D continues to make the skins look incompetent, intercepting Campbell twice and stopping two 4th down attempts in Pit territory, once on the goal line.

    vs Browns - A nice Leftwich showing. He comes in mid-drive when Ben gets hurt and he gets to start out in Cleveland territory. He contributes to 3 scoring drives (2 of them when he started out in Cleveland territory) including a rushing TD, to push a 7-0 lead to a 24-0 lead, when the Steelers D completes their rout of the Browns offense with an int return TD.

    Leftwich played well, but only in the Redskins game and maybe the Browns game did he have any real impact at all (in two games where the defense had been dominating regardless), and accomplished nothing notable against a prevent D, the only time he came in when the Steelers weren't already leading.

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    Only way Lefty stays in is if he looks like Tom Brady in our first 4 starts and Ben looks like trash in the next game.

    Too small of a sample size to give Lefty credit or blame. The Redskins game was great but I think it really showed how productive our game plan would be if the plays were run the way they were called. Ben was hurt and he wasn't practicing so the timing was off.

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    looks like Mark Madden's unimpeachable source is NOT Bruce Arians -


    QUOTE TO NOTE: "He'll jump right back in there. He's going to have to play 12 games." Coordinator Bruce Arians, on what Ben Roethlisberger will do if and when he's cleared to return before the end of spring practices.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... /notes.htm

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    As much as I'd like to see us go 4-0 to start the season, I don't think we need to worry about that scenario unfolding anyway.

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    Wonder if Worilds will be out Harrison in this alternate universe?

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    Quote Originally Posted by cruzer8
    This is a response to a Lefty ballwasher that someone posted on another forum. I thought it summed things up quite nicely.

    The Leftwich ballwashing is getting pretty tiring, even for someone like me that mostly just lurks and reads posts.

    For starters, he was 4-1 ( 0-0 technically because he didn't start any of the games), one of the 5 games he threw a pass in was in the loss to the Eagles.

    And it's an anomaly because only twice in those games was he in the game during a meaningful amount of time, and one of the times was in a meaningless week 17 game with the division and a first round bye already locked up.

    Vs Houston - Leftwich takes his first snap when the game is already 35-3 in the first quarter.
    1st possession? 1 incomplete pass in a 3&Out, Houston responds with a TD

    2nd possession? 1 incomplete pass in a 3&Out, Harrison and Woodley force and recover a Schaub fumble and Pit gets the ball back on the Houston 28

    3rd possession? Lefty throws 2 more incomplete passes, but Pit's already in FG range. FG is made, Houston scores another TD but it's too late, and Lefty kneels.

    Leftwich contribution? 4 incomplete passes, all 4 net yards with Lefty undercenter come from 5 handoffs to Mendenhall.

    vs Eagles - There's two minutes left and the Eagles are up 9, but Leftwich manages to look pretty competent here. He goes 4 for 7 to move the ball 60 yards against a prevent D, but the possession ends when Lefty takes a 9 yard loss on a sack on 3rd and 1, then throws incomplete on 4th down.

    vs Bengals - Leftwich saves the day with a touchdown pass in the final minutes. Except the Steelers were already up 31-10 with under 5 minutes to go in the 4th, Leftwich started out on the Bengals' 34 yard line, and the first player with a hand on the pass was John Joseph who tipped the ball into Ward's hands.

    vs Redskins - Lefty's best game as a Steeler. He comes in after halftime when the Steelers are leading 10-6 (due to a Roethlisberger rushing TD mind you) and posts up 129 Yards, contributing to 2 scoring drives including a Leftwich TD pass. During this half, the Steelers D continues to make the skins look incompetent, intercepting Campbell twice and stopping two 4th down attempts in Pit territory, once on the goal line.

    vs Browns - A nice Leftwich showing. He comes in mid-drive when Ben gets hurt and he gets to start out in Cleveland territory. He contributes to 3 scoring drives (2 of them when he started out in Cleveland territory) including a rushing TD, to push a 7-0 lead to a 24-0 lead, when the Steelers D completes their rout of the Browns offense with an int return TD.

    Leftwich played well, but only in the Redskins game and maybe the Browns game did he have any real impact at all (in two games where the defense had been dominating regardless), and accomplished nothing notable against a prevent D, the only time he came in when the Steelers weren't already leading.

    This an ERRONEOUS POST. Lets see for example in the Eagles game Jim Johnson is QUOTED as saying "I had to call off the blitz because leftwich was burning us". There was NO prevent defense. Thats an out and out LIE. In fact he was sacked ONCE that game. Fact is he burned the blitz and lead us down the field. Something BEN COULD NOT DO. Secondly, he hit Nate Washington in the HANDS in the endzone and Nate DROPPED the pass. WHY didnt the poster mention that? CAN YOU SAY BIAS? But you knew that when he said "against a prevent defense". Jim Johnson blitzes the crap out of the starter but is going to sit back in a prevent vs the backup? Jim Johnson doesnt believe in a PREVENT ESPECIALLY IN A ONE POSSESSION GAME lol

    Vs Redskins- We are LEADING due to a BLOCKED punt NOT Ben. Yes Ben scored on a ONE YARD dive. That drive was manufactured by the blocked punt, NOT BY BEN. The Skins D were giving Ben FITS, he was taking sacks and playing badly. Enter Leftwich. On his 1st pass he hits a streaking Nate Washington. He underthrew him but nothing like the fair catch punts that Ben underthrows. How about the audible inside the 10? Leftwich noticed that the corner was playing off of Tone so he audibles and hits Tone for a quick strike and TD. Try to DIMINISH what Leftwich did all you want but the facts are that he OUTPLAYED BEN in both the Skins and the Browns game. Worth noting- Ben threw a HORRIBLE pick in the redzone before he was carted out of the Browns game. Leftwich contributed to TWENTY FOUR points in 3 qtrs.


    vs. Skins- Leftwich 7-10 129 yards 1 TD 145 rating
    - Big Ben 5-17 50 1 INT 15.1 rating


    vs. Browns Leftwich 7-12 80 yards 78.5 rating 1 Td run
    Big Ben 9-14 110 yards 1 INT 58.6 rating

    vs. Eagles Big Ben 13-25 131 yards 1 INT 50.6 rating
    Leftwich 4-7 60 yards 85.4 rating

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    I think Ben will return as the starter. I think Ben needs to play well regardless of what happens in the first 4 games.

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    I would love to have the "problem" of starting 4-0. While I don't think it's likely, it would still be great. Of course, it would be great to never lose...

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    lefty is average at best. he was awful last season which is not all that encouaging going into this season. josh freeman played better than lefty did in tampa with the same offense. no way lefty will ever start instead of ben, that is stupid.

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    Re: Madden: If Steelers start 4-0 w/ Lefty, he'll remain starter

    Quote Originally Posted by frankthetank1
    lefty is average at best. he was awful last season which is not all that encouaging going into this season. josh freeman played better than lefty did in tampa with the same offense. no way lefty will ever start instead of ben, that is stupid.
    Leftwich can play better then average. We should all hope he plays well for the sake of the team.

    In fairness, I don't think Leftwich had a real good opportunity to prove anything in Tampa. He will get an opportunity with a better Steelers team.

    Ben was yanked for Leftwich in 2008. Never know what will happen over the coarse of a season. Especially, if Leftwich plays well his first 4 games and Ben plays poorly in his return.

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