Good BTSC article on Hoge 2 parts - fairly long or I'd post it- here are the links.

[url="http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20"]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20[/url] ... n-talks-at

[url="http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20"]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20[/url] ... h-steelers