Originally Posted by
stlrz d
Originally Posted by
brothervad
I have kept relatively quiet about this whole ordeal because truth is I have no belief that anyone has the truth on this...the only people that really know is Ben & the girl who were in that bathroom that night.
Let me say the following and be done with it:
1) I am not a Ben hater
2) I am not a Ben Fan -- I am a Steelers fan and that is all I am
I don't care about the indictment, the potential for Civil action or Ben's eventual vindication. If that happens, I will refer to the first paragraph above....only 2 people really know what truly happened that night.
Morally, it comes down to a 2 letter word. If she uttered at anytime..."No"...then it's Rape. Maybe not from legal statute, but morally.
If those were uttered as she claimed then that is what it is...since I can't prove it I will not claim that it is the fact.
But it is that close from separating what this man is and is not....
Say what you will...I don't care...I know a girl who was raped and tried to commit suicide because of it. If Ben did that I want him gone...since I can't provie it I will not speak of this any further.
But let's just say I won't talk much about his performance moving forward either. If they win, they win as a team and I will be happy. If they lose, they lose as a team and will lament it.
But my days of talking about Ben are over...because I really don't know if that two letter word was or was not uttered and I can't be as open minded as some on the board.
His football prowess and success seems a lot less important to me anymore and that is sad to me.
brothervad
She was asked that night if she was raped and she said no. It's in the police report.
I know how you feel about this...again read my post...you don't know what happened...if she said no it's rape.
per the details given by the documents released even the Police officer who resigned today had the following discussion with Ben:
"We have a problem. This drunken bitch, drunk off her bad word, is accusing Ben of rape," Officer Barravecchio said Sgt. Blash told him. "This pisses me off. Women can do this. It's[bull] but we've got to do this, we've got to do a report. This is BS. She's making [stuff] up."
But let's adopt the position (as it refers to later in the article) that she said that she wasn't raped. How much do you know about sexual assault and/or rape? Do you know that most rape victims are in a state of shock after the event occurs.
You want to believe it wasn't rape and that is fine...my point remains...if she said No at all, at all during the episode...it's rape. It's that close...and I am not asking you to believe it, but to pretend that it isn't that close is denial.
So regardless of what you believe...you have no facts...nor do I...but again re-read my post. It's not about legality...its about morality
I aplogize if this does not jibe with your belief on this...I am not asking you to change your mind. It is merely a statment and an opinion.
Bottomline....she said "No" once...it's rape.
Brothervad
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