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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    Quote Originally Posted by NW Steeler
    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis
    I think too many of you guys are forgetting about Urbik. I would say he's nearly as good as Iuapati(sp?). the real question mark on this offensive line is the CENTER!!!! hartwig is not a very good player. he's barely better than mahan.
    the vast majority of you guys b!tch and moan about lost mid round draft picks and you're already writing 3 of them off from last year! that's ridiculous! Hartwig is an established vet and we KNOW he sucks. burnett, Lewis and urbik haven't even had the chance to learn anything and you all want to run them out of town.
    ridiculous.
    I don't think any of us are forgetting about Urbik. But by most reports you see coming out of Pittsburgh, Urbik was extremely underwhelming last year, and was physically manhandled in drills. How is it that Urbik is on the same level as Iupati? Center and RG are a problem.
    you think that Iupati is gonna come out of backwoods idaho or wherever he is and look any better as a ROOKIE? you're kidding me. Iupati didn't even look good at the senior bowl, and I'm pretty sure that he's gonna look worse when he has to go up against teh likes of hampton, smitty, kiesel, woodley and harrison.
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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    Chadman's problem with Urbik is simple.

    He was the 2nd pick, a 3rd round selection, by the Steelers last season. On it's own, you don't expect him to have much impact in his rookie season.

    But then Darnell Stapleton went down.

    And OT Trai Essex was moved to RG. Ok, he was a vet, so experience puts him in the frame earlier.

    Then Kemo went down.

    And undrafted Center Doug Legursky stepped in. Ok, a 1 year vet, so lets assume his experience got him on the field first.

    But then Legursky went down.

    And in stepped undrafted rookie OT Ramon Foster.

    That was UNDRAFTED ROOKIE OT Ramon Foster. Not 2nd round OG Ramon Foster. Or 3 year vet Ramon Foster. This was the undrafted OT that no team felt was good enough to draft, stepping in front of the Steelers 2nd overall draft selection, and career OG, Kraig Urbik.

    So, with Legursky, Kemo, Foster & Essex on the books- where does Urbik fit, if he can't get game time ahead of an undrafted rookie?

    Add to this the reports that he struggled badly in Training Camp, and suddenly it's not looking good.

    And don't forget, statistically, Trai Essex was one of, if not THE worst starting OG in the NFL last season.

    Chadman is not saying Urbik is a lost cause. But with the poor play of the OL over the last 2-3 years, can the Steelers continue to hope that guys like Urbik develop?

    Iupati is a 1st round talent. Take away the one game in which he struggled- the Senior Bowl- and everyone considers him possibly the best OL in the draft.

    Could Iupati start on Day 1? Well, new OL Coach Kugs had 2 rookie OG's starting in Buffalo last season, so why not?
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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    Chadman, the game you want to take away is the only game he had ANY Talent playing against him!
    We don't know Urbiks story. we have no idea what was going on. What I know is: he was a hell of a ball player at Wisconsin and he's entering his second year. I also know that hartwig is the worst center in the NFL (since Mahan isn't starting anywhere).
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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis
    Quote Originally Posted by NW Steeler
    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis
    I think too many of you guys are forgetting about Urbik. I would say he's nearly as good as Iuapati(sp?). the real question mark on this offensive line is the CENTER!!!! hartwig is not a very good player. he's barely better than mahan.
    the vast majority of you guys b!tch and moan about lost mid round draft picks and you're already writing 3 of them off from last year! that's ridiculous! Hartwig is an established vet and we KNOW he sucks. burnett, Lewis and urbik haven't even had the chance to learn anything and you all want to run them out of town.
    ridiculous.
    I don't think any of us are forgetting about Urbik. But by most reports you see coming out of Pittsburgh, Urbik was extremely underwhelming last year, and was physically manhandled in drills. How is it that Urbik is on the same level as Iupati? Center and RG are a problem.
    you think that Iupati is gonna come out of backwoods idaho or wherever he is and look any better as a ROOKIE? you're kidding me. Iupati didn't even look good at the senior bowl, and I'm pretty sure that he's gonna look worse when he has to go up against teh likes of hampton, smitty, kiesel, woodley and harrison.
    Well yeah, I do think Iupati could come in as a rookie and do better than Urbik. And that is saying NOTHING since Urbik did absolutely squat last year. No one knows if Iupati will be a good pro. But thinking that Urbik will be the answer at RG or C is also just as short sided. There are going to be a lot of pissed off people around here if/when Iupati is the pick at #18.

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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis
    Chadman, the game you want to take away is the only game he had ANY Talent playing against him!
    We don't know Urbiks story. we have no idea what was going on. What I know is: he was a hell of a ball player at Wisconsin and he's entering his second year. I also know that hartwig is the worst center in the NFL (since Mahan isn't starting anywhere).
    You could be right, but...

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=OG

    Scroll down until you find the section labelled "Draft Scout Kraig Urbik News".

    Then tell Chadman you feel confident.
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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    I'm still confident in Urbik. I think he'll be fine. he's not the first draft pick to not get any playing time. he's also not the first draft pick to get surpassed by an UDFA. Give the kid some time and then we'll see what happens.
    Iupati hasn't shown me anything other than he can dominate tiny little schools with no talent.
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    I think Kiper finally got something right. Center then DB is the way the Steelers go unless a freak falls. I would be happy with Pouncey then Ghee.

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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    didn't leon searcy sit a whole year as a rookie with us as a #13 overall pick?.


    i'm n ot expecting an all pro type of year from ubrick but i'm not gonna write him off either.

    he's close to if not the highest drafted lineman we have on our roster (i know max was a 3rd rder too but dont recall the overall number)

    which brings up a question. how many snaps did Max play at OT his rookie year

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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER
    didn't leon searcy sit a whole year as a rookie with us as a #13 overall pick?.


    i'm n ot expecting an all pro type of year from ubrick but i'm not gonna write him off either.

    he's close to if not the highest drafted lineman we have on our roster (i know max was a 3rd rder too but dont recall the overall number)

    which brings up a question. how many snaps did Max play at OT his rookie year
    It's not that Chadman expected Urbik to play right off the bat- don't make that mistake.

    It's that an undrafted rookie got to start in front of him that is concerning. Perfect world, Urbik gets a couple of years to develop- but if the coaches feel an undrafted rookie is ahead of our 3rd round pick, that doesn't sound good for the 3rd round pick, does it?
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    Re: Kiper has UF C/G going to Steelers in first round

    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER
    didn't leon searcy sit a whole year as a rookie with us as a #13 overall pick?.


    i'm n ot expecting an all pro type of year from ubrick but i'm not gonna write him off either.

    he's close to if not the highest drafted lineman we have on our roster (i know max was a 3rd rder too but dont recall the overall number)

    which brings up a question. how many snaps did Max play at OT his rookie year
    It's not that Chadman expected Urbik to play right off the bat- don't make that mistake.

    It's that an undrafted rookie got to start in front of him that is concerning. Perfect world, Urbik gets a couple of years to develop- but if the coaches feel an undrafted rookie is ahead of our 3rd round pick, that doesn't sound good for the 3rd round pick, does it?
    chadman that's kinda like saying that a former insurance salesman started over ben so...
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