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    Re: Chadman's Draft Trends & Various Info Thread..

    Given those measurements, here are a few observations..

    1. CB Chris Cook falls short on both bench press numbers & the 3-cone drills. His jumping ability is outstanding, but Chadman wonders if those 2 'fails' will remove him from consideration.

    2. FS Kam Chancellor has great size, but a horrid 3-cone and barely passable 40-yard for a FS. Also, his jumping measurables are low for a man of his size.

    3. CB Kareem Jackson has a poor 3-Cone time, and a 'fail' for bench reps.

    4. Incomplete measurables for Kyle Wilson & Earl Thomas mean they are somewhat 'wildcards' in relation to Steeler trends. Neither plays for a team that has provided the Steelers with a DB under Colbert however.

    5. As expected, Taylor Mays' measurables are off the charts. It would be very interesting to see his 3-cone time, however, as his agility is often what is questioned.

    6. CB Jerome Murphy's reps & cone times are 'just' inside the Steelers trends mark, putting him right on the border.

    7. Uber-genious Myron Rolle passes nearly every test, but fails poorly in the 3-cone. That being said, one wonders if his obvious intelligence might make him a sneaky candidate.

    8. CB's Brandon Ghee, Patrick Robinson & Devin McCourty all fit very well inside the Steeler trends. It's a genuine toss of the coin between them- perhaps it would be a case of who falls into the Steeler draft range that would decide between them. Of the 3, only Patrick Robinson hasn't visited the Steelers...yet.

    9. Safeties Darrell Stuckey, Taylor Mays & Barry Church all fit the safety requirements for the Steelers very well. Perhaps the fact that both Stuckey & Church are reportedly on the Steelers radar is a bit of a give-away.

    10. Perhaps Chadman is on to something? The guys that best fit the Steelers 'draft trends' are also the same guys the Steelers are bringing in for another look- Ghee, Stuckey, McCourty & Church...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Now, if we put together the players Chadman has highlighted in green earlier (players that fit the 'trends' Chadman has tried to show) with their measurables, we might get a better idea of how they fit the Steeler M.O...

    1. CB Jerome Murphy
    South Florida
    6'0" 196lbs
    4.50 40-Yard
    16 Bench Reps
    38" Vertical
    10'07" Broad
    6.87 3-Cone

    2. CB Walter Thurmond
    Oregon
    5'11" 189lbs
    4.53 40-Yard
    Medically Unable to perform tasks

    3. FS Taylor Mays
    USC
    6'3" 230lbs
    4.31 40-Yard
    24 Bench Reps
    41" Vertical
    10'05" Broad
    No Cone Time

    4. FS T.J. Ward
    Oregon
    5'11" 211lbs
    4.56 40-Yard
    19 Bench Reps
    34" Vertical
    10'01" Broad
    No Cone Time

    5. CB Patrick Robinson
    Florida State
    5'11" 190lbs
    4.46 40-Yard
    15 Bench Reps
    39" Vertical
    10'02" Broad
    6.78 3-Cone

    6. CB Chris Cook
    Virginia
    6'2" 212lbs
    4.45 40-Yard
    7 Bench Reps
    38" Vertical
    11'00" Broad
    6.88 3-Cone

    7. CB Brandon Ghee
    Wake Forest
    6'0" 192lbs
    4.37 40-Yard
    15 Bench Reps
    37" Vertical
    10'07" Broad
    6.75 3-Cone

    8. FS Morgan Burnett
    Georgia Tech
    6'2" 209lbs
    4.54 40-Yard
    16 Bench Reps
    No other measurements

    9. FS Kam Chancellor
    Virginia Tech
    6'3" 231lbs
    4.62 40-Yard
    22 Bench Reps
    32" Vertical
    9'08" Broad
    7.36 3-Cone

    And some players that didn't quite fit the first few trends but are still of interest..

    1. FS Earl Thomas
    Texas
    5'10" 202lbs
    4.43 40-Yard
    21 Bench Reps
    No Vertical measurement
    9'05" Broad
    No 3-Cone measurement

    2. CB Devin McCourty
    Rutgers
    5'11" 193lbs
    4.38 40-Yard
    16 Bench Reps
    36" Vertical
    10'06" Broad
    6.70 3-Cone

    3. CB Kareem Jackson
    Alabama
    5'11" 196lbs
    4.40 40-Yard
    13 Bench reps
    37 1/2" Vertical
    9'10" Broad
    6.92 3-Cone

    4. SS Myron Rolle
    Florida State
    6'2" 215lbs
    4.59 40-Yard
    21 Bench Reps
    36" Vertical
    10'04" Broad
    6.94 3-Cone

    5. SS Barry Church
    Toledo
    6'2" 222lbs
    4.69 40-Yard
    19 Bench Reps
    36" Vertical
    10'01" Broad
    6.65 3-Cone

    6. SS Darrell Stuckey
    Kentucky
    6'0" 205lbs
    4.46 40-Yard
    17 Bench Reps
    39 1/2" Vertical
    10'00" Broad
    No 3-Cone measurement

    7. CB Kyle Wilson
    Boise State
    5'10" 194lbs
    4.43 40-Yard
    25 Bench Reps
    No Other Measurements Available

    Well done Watson. But i'd like to think that you aren't forgetting that which is actually "intangible"?
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    Re: Chadman's Draft Trends & Various Info Thread..

    Well done Watson. But i'd like to think that you aren't forgetting that which is actually "intangible"?
    Absolutely. Intangibles are...somewhat hard to measure..

    But if we add the measurables together, we can narrow the list of candidates..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Well done Watson. But i'd like to think that you aren't forgetting that which is actually "intangible"?
    Absolutely. Intangibles are...somewhat hard to measure..

    But if we add the measurables together, we can narrow the list of candidates..

    And with that said,...shall we not take into account the motive, preferences and ego of ALL parties involved in our current Draft "process" ?

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    Feel free to expand your theories...Chadman is all ears..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
    I think that it is fruitless to look at trends like this. First off, we live in an era in which the entire country is an open book to teams. This is not the good old days when scouts had to scour the smaller colleges and out of the way places to unearth the next hidden gem. Teams can watch as much game film as they want, and then they get to meet the players live in Indianapolis and watch them train and talk to them.

    As far as position trends go, you have to look at our roster to see some of the reasons why different positions get drafted and others don't. I keep hearing people say things like "We have never drafted a C in the first round so our organization won't pick Pouncey".

    If you look at our roster over the last 40 years, We had Mansfield, Webster, Dirt, then Hartings for most of that. I'd say that washes out that argument.

    IMO the team will strike a delicate balance between player and need.
    Yes & no. Certainly, there will be cases where there is no trend in which to follow, but some trends are worth noting. So far, we have only focussed on round & conference level- but there are other factors to keep in mind..
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    Re: Chadman's Draft Trends & Various Info Thread..

    [quote=steeler_fan_in_t.o.]
    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by "steeler_fan_in_t.o.":3mhocnp6
    I think that it is fruitless to look at trends like this. First off, we live in an era in which the entire country is an open book to teams. This is not the good old days when scouts had to scour the smaller colleges and out of the way places to unearth the next hidden gem. Teams can watch as much game film as they want, and then they get to meet the players live in Indianapolis and watch them train and talk to them.

    As far as position trends go, you have to look at our roster to see some of the reasons why different positions get drafted and others don't. I keep hearing people say things like "We have never drafted a C in the first round so our organization won't pick Pouncey".

    If you look at our roster over the last 40 years, We had Mansfield, Webster, Dirt, then Hartings for most of that. I'd say that washes out that argument.

    IMO the team will strike a delicate balance between player and need.
    Yes & no. Certainly, there will be cases where there is no trend in which to follow, but some trends are worth noting. So far, we have only focussed on round & conference level- but there are other factors to keep in mind..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Feel free to expand your theories...Chadman is all ears..

    First, one must decide whether Kevin Colbert is in fact a Bill Polian or Tom Donahoe type of GM ? (absolute control over personnel even in the face of any possible grievance a coach would have)

    Or is he merely the type of GM that not only does not "crunch numbers" in terms of contracts,....but instead simply serves in a figurehead capacity as the trigger man for their respective Head Coach ? (whomever that may be)

    Following trends for the duration of his (Colbert's) tenure here works in theory if he indeed is the former type of GM. However,..if he is of the latter description,...then you must come to understand the psyche, motivation and henceforth the preferences that will effect what decisions ANOTHER individual makes in terms of this new generation of personnel.

    And that would be whom ?,.......
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    Re: Chadman's Draft Trends & Various Info Thread..

    Good point- Tomlin obviously has some input into the draft selections as well. Chadman believes, however, that Colbert has had some significant input over his tenure here, and at Detroit, in scouting.

    Perhaps, if you'd like, you might be able to put together a trend for Post-Tomlin selections? Maybe we could see a pattern forming there?
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