WTF??!? Santonio sued for Assault, FWP not interested

[Oviedo]

I guess WR is back in the mix at #18. Hines will be retiring and you have to wonder if the organization is really going to want to retain the services of Mr. Holmes given his predisposition towards burning vegetation and other issues.

I think you are correct but with the talent that should be available at 18 I don't see it happening. Dez White could be more of a problem than Holmes. Tate while good isn't 18 worthy. It really depends on how the Steelers see this. If they have had enough...and will trade or cut Holmes then I see us grabbing a talent in rounds 2-4...little better value in those rounds.

But, let me say for the record. Unless the Steelers don't want to be competitive next season they must keep Holmes. Ward is on his last leg. I'm not sure he makes it through next season. You want Wallace as your #1 and ARE as your #2? Wow that would be a nightmare.

I just have a feeling that Hines is going to miss significant time this season. That's why I still believe that if Sweed shows something we will keep 6 WRs.

[Shawn]

I'm just curious...why are so many fans willing to cut or trade Holmes? While we had a select few willing to do so with Ben the greatest majority want to keep Ben. Is it a position issue? Is it a talent issue? I'm just trying to pin this down.

IF Ben is guilty, I want him gone. I don't care about what it does to the team. Assaulting a drunk woman is inexcusable especially for the leader of your team.

IF Santonio is guilty, that is despicable and he's had enough 2nd chances as well.

I wish these would both be resolved soon. But, the circus will drag on and on.

Do you really believe this woman's story? I mean the cops wouldn't make an arrest...that tells me I can't take this woman's story at face value. Not to mention throwing a drink in a woman's face is one thing...rape is another.

Cops didn't arrest Ben either. I'm not sure that makes anyone innocent or guilty.

Also, like Ben, Santonio has been accused of assaulting (though not sexaully) a woman before.

I'm not cutting either one of them any slack at this point. I need more facts before I judge them, BUT I'm disappointed for the Steelers and if they are guilty, they should go.

Are the police doing an investigation into this horrid drink throwing incident? Even if what she said happened...she was in the VIP and asked to leave by Holmes...which is his perrogative. Maybe he did lose his temper whe she wouldn't comply and threw a drink in the woman's face. It's certainly not something I condone but I'm not losing sleep over it either. And accusations are just that...accusations. I have seen numerous cases where a husband and a woman fight and the woman will falsely accuse the man of hitting her.

[Shawn]

I guess WR is back in the mix at #18. Hines will be retiring and you have to wonder if the organization is really going to want to retain the services of Mr. Holmes given his predisposition towards burning vegetation and other issues.

I think you are correct but with the talent that should be available at 18 I don't see it happening. Dez White could be more of a problem than Holmes. Tate while good isn't 18 worthy. It really depends on how the Steelers see this. If they have had enough...and will trade or cut Holmes then I see us grabbing a talent in rounds 2-4...little better value in those rounds.

But, let me say for the record. Unless the Steelers don't want to be competitive next season they must keep Holmes. Ward is on his last leg. I'm not sure he makes it through next season. You want Wallace as your #1 and ARE as your #2? Wow that would be a nightmare.

I just have a feeling that Hines is going to miss significant time this season. That's why I still believe that if Sweed shows something we will keep 6 WRs.

Agreed.

[feltdizz]

I was off the Sweed "upside wagon" but I would like to reserve a seat if possible.

[Snatch98]

As I said in another thread. Until there is a real charge we have nothing to talk about.

Exactly. I also think it's funny that people aren't labeling this is a "cash grab" as well. Supposedly the chick agreed not to file a police report and now she is? really? It's just a bunch of bs were people figure the Steelers are in some turmoil so they might as well jump on the wagon and see what they can drudge up.

[feltdizz]

As I said in another thread. Until there is a real charge we have nothing to talk about.

Exactly. I also think it's funny that people aren't labeling this is a "cash grab" as well. Supposedly the chick agreed not to file a police report and now she is? really? It's just a bunch of bs were people figure the Steelers are in some turmoil so they might as well jump on the wagon and see what they can drudge up.

she grabbed his arm to protect herself...

Steeler's and VIP rooms do not mix well.

[Snatch98]

As I said in another thread. Until there is a real charge we have nothing to talk about.

Exactly. I also think it's funny that people aren't labeling this is a "cash grab" as well. Supposedly the chick agreed not to file a police report and now she is? really? It's just a bunch of bs were people figure the Steelers are in some turmoil so they might as well jump on the wagon and see what they can drudge up.

she grabbed his arm to protect herself...

Steeler's and VIP rooms do not mix well.

Exactly. If I'm a steeler I stay out of them entirely for a while. Put the bible thumper Tim Tebow in a steeler uniform right now, toss him in a VIP and he'll come out with an assault charge. If you ask me everyone on the team is a target right now. Women are immediately cast under a "blanket of innocence" because they are the "weaker sex" both of which are total bs. The "weaker sex" knows exactly what kind of leverage it has and uses it regularly, ESPECIALLY when mutli-million dollar contracts are involved. It's getting old and frankly I'm tired of reading all "we need high character guy" "steeler type player" threads. A select few act like we have a couple of OJ Simpson's on our team. It's amusing.

[Ghost]

I'm with Shawn on this - a completely ridiculous charge with no merit. WTF...apparrently you can just say anything in hopes that you'll find a player who wants to pay to make it go away. What exactly is she suing for? And according to her both the police and the Club were in on the "big conspiracy". This is a joke.

We need Holmes starting and we need to not waste an early or mid pick on a WR.

[ANPSTEEL]

... I also think it's funny that people aren't labeling this is a "cash grab" ...

I think we all recognize that a civil suit is inherently a "cash grab".

even if legitimate.

[costanza2k1]

mods can we move the Holmes stuff to All things NFL?

I kid...