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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by cruzer8
    Nothing.

    When he was accused in Reno people said he should have bodyguards with him and all that.

    Then he did just that and was still accused.

    Now people are saying he shouldn't be out at a bar. If he had a party at his place and was accused of something people would come up with some BS like he should screen the guests better or whatever.

    It's called moving the goalposts and internet posters of the highest moral standing do it all the time.
    It is not moving the goalposts it is called protecting your $100M+ salary. The reality is when you make money like you cannot do the same things other people do the same ways they do it. You have to be smart enough to realize that.
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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by anger 82&95
    So, perhaps he’s only guilty of supporting alien despots.

    That there's good stuff.
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    My reply is, come on don't be silly. The burden on a $150MM employee is not just "don't get formally charged with anything". It is to act in a way that keeps you off the front pages and the police blotters.

    People making a lot less than him, and who don't represent the "face of a franchise" have higher expectations than just "not getting charged or arrested". It's not too much to say that Ben should accept the same standards of behavior and act accordingly.

    If it were an impossible task, well that would be one thing. But there are a lot of other high profile sports figures (Brady, etc.) who manage to live their lives without being accused or rape or sexual assault twice a year. Ben should be one of them.


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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo
    Quote Originally Posted by cruzer8
    Nothing.

    When he was accused in Reno people said he should have bodyguards with him and all that.

    Then he did just that and was still accused.

    Now people are saying he shouldn't be out at a bar. If he had a party at his place and was accused of something people would come up with some BS like he should screen the guests better or whatever.

    It's called moving the goalposts and internet posters of the highest moral standing do it all the time.
    It is not moving the goalposts it is called protecting your $100M+ salary. The reality is when you make money like you cannot do the same things other people do the same ways they do it. You have to be smart enough to realize that.
    In this case it is moving the goalposts. After McNutty people said he should always have people with him. So this time he has people with him and now they say, "he shouldn't be going out to bars."

    That is a classic case of moving the goalposts.

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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by cruzer8

    In this case it is moving the goalposts. After McNutty people said he should always have people with him. So this time he has people with him and now they say, "he shouldn't be going out to bars."

    That is a classic case of moving the goalposts.
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    Also, in response to ikestops85's[ earlier post, I don't think it makes sense to say that Ben should have stopped "clubbing" after his first brush with these types of problems. He was staying in a hotel and banged the employee the first time. He wasn't in any type of party/club/bar scenario. Therefore, him going out for his birthday I don't find relevant.

    Just my opinion.
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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
    My reply is, come on don't be silly. The burden on a $150MM employee is not just "don't get formally charged with anything". It is to act in a way that keeps you off the front pages and the police blotters.

    People making a lot less than him, and who don't represent the "face of a franchise" have higher expectations than just "not getting charged or arrested". It's not too much to say that Ben should accept the same standards of behavior and act accordingly.

    If it were an impossible task, well that would be one thing. But there are a lot of other high profile sports figures (Brady, etc.) who manage to live their lives without being accused or rape or sexual assault twice a year. Ben should be one of them.
    So you believe that just because Ben is the face on the Steelers franchise and he makes over a 100 million dollars that just by being at this night club he was doing something wrong?

    You do not believe that maybe these two women sought Ben out to intentionally gain financially with a bogus lawsuit?

    If you and your buddies went out to a night club and celebrated your birthday and did nothing wrong other than drink, dance, and carry-on in celebratory way, is that doing something wrong?
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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Ok, Dee Dub, it's official. You are obsessing on Ben's innocence. :P

    Also I agree with SASF. Ben is not keeping himself out of position for such things to fly at him. He took some people out with him. That was a good thing. But ultimately he was willing to go into an isolation situation ... i.e. to the bathroom with this female ... and it became a he-said/she-said. In light of the McNulty case, subsequent allegation automatically gains clout because of perception.

    And no, you can't control other people, but you can sure as !%!$#%@!#$%% make it easier for their shenanigans to have effect.

    The Steelers honored him with a $100M contract. There is an unwritten "don't be a schmuck" built into that. IMO, Ben is guilty of at least a bit of schmuckery here (insofar as giving consideration to the Steelers), especially in light of the fact that it should be obvious he has $$$$$ signs on his chest and a target on his back.

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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub
    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
    My reply is, come on don't be silly. The burden on a $150MM employee is not just "don't get formally charged with anything". It is to act in a way that keeps you off the front pages and the police blotters.

    People making a lot less than him, and who don't represent the "face of a franchise" have higher expectations than just "not getting charged or arrested". It's not too much to say that Ben should accept the same standards of behavior and act accordingly.

    If it were an impossible task, well that would be one thing. But there are a lot of other high profile sports figures (Brady, etc.) who manage to live their lives without being accused or rape or sexual assault twice a year. Ben should be one of them.
    So you believe that just because Ben is the face on the Steelers franchise and he makes over a 100 million dollars that just by being at this night club he was doing something wrong?

    You do not believe that maybe these two women sought Ben out to intentionally gain financially with a bogus lawsuit?

    If you and your buddies went out to a night club and celebrated your birthday and did nothing wrong other than drink, dance, and carry-on in celebratory way, is that doing something wrong?
    Going to the night club wasn't the problem. Being willing to go to the bathroom with the girl was.

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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Can we now move on to the re-revised mocked drafts?

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    Re: So what is it that Ben actually has done wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub
    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
    My reply is, come on don't be silly. The burden on a $150MM employee is not just "don't get formally charged with anything". It is to act in a way that keeps you off the front pages and the police blotters.

    People making a lot less than him, and who don't represent the "face of a franchise" have higher expectations than just "not getting charged or arrested". It's not too much to say that Ben should accept the same standards of behavior and act accordingly.

    If it were an impossible task, well that would be one thing. But there are a lot of other high profile sports figures (Brady, etc.) who manage to live their lives without being accused or rape or sexual assault twice a year. Ben should be one of them.
    So you believe that just because Ben is the face on the Steelers franchise and he makes over a 100 million dollars that just by being at this night club he was doing something wrong?

    You do not believe that maybe these two women sought Ben out to intentionally gain financially with a bogus lawsuit?

    If you and your buddies went out to a night club and celebrated your birthday and did nothing wrong other than drink, dance, and carry-on in celebratory way, is that doing something wrong?
    He can do all that, I don't think that's the issue. What I'm saying is that whatever he did or didn't do, he failed to stay out of the muck raking media front pages and the police blotter, he brought embarassment to his employer and to many of his fans. He can go clubbing or skirt chasing all he wants, and as long as everything is cool and under the radar, the employer (Rooney, et. al) is happy. When bad publicity occurs the employer, and fans (that's us ) aren't happy.

    Don't know if "staying off of the police blotter" is in his contract, but it doesn't have to be. That's just a minimal expectation of an employee in the entertainment industry. That's why the player's union gave the Commish the right to meet with, ? suspend , ? worse without a conviction.


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