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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doogie36
    What we are failing to see is this:

    The winner of the coin toss will still win the majority of the games even in overtime. If the Steelers win the toss what will they do??? They along with the majority of the teams, even the COLTS will KICK OFF. They will elect to KICKOFF or if its EXTREMELY WINDY they will elect to TAKE SIDE!!!!!!!!!

    Getting the ball 2nd will tell them exactly what they need to do to win the game. All 4 downs can be used vice only 3 for the team getting the ball first. So once again its an unfair advantage to the team winning the coin toss........Doesnt matter what they do to change overtime its always going to be determined by the flip of the coin.
    Unless the team that receives the ball scores a TD. Then, it is over. I don't think teams will want to allow that to happen. Most teams will receive.

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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    I don't know if they will ever get it right. Seems they are heading towards over managing the league on several levels.

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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    my question is, when the heck are they going to have the opening week night games announced and the thanksgiving games too, they said it would be done yesterday but per wikipedia, it says they are delayed, just pick a few games for heavens sake, wiki does say the steelers saints game will be a primetime game just not to open the season....

    another question, dan rooney already said no to the saints steelers opener because that would mean we would be on the road for 3 straight weeks to open the season bc of the pirates, my quesition is, why not have a primetime game on week 2 or 3 if that is the case, we usually seem to get 2 primetimes to open the first month of the season anyway..

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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
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    So after Peyton Manning gets the ball first and drives down for a perceived game winning FG then lose when the Colts D gives up a TD because of the new rules I bet you we go right back to the old rules. LOL...
    People have been complaining about the OT rules long before Manning ever came into the league.
    Talking about it for 20 years but changed it 2 years after Manning was knocked out without a touch in San Diego. For weeks all they talked about was the MVP not getting a touch.

    I don't like it and I think if Manning loses an OT game due to the new rule we will hear ESPN and all the experts scream about the change.
    The Colts lost that game because the Chargers scored a TD on the first OT possession. Under these new rules, if that happened, Peyton still would have not touched the ball in OT.


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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Doogie36
    What we are failing to see is this:

    The winner of the coin toss will still win the majority of the games even in overtime. If the Steelers win the toss what will they do??? They along with the majority of the teams, even the COLTS will KICK OFF. They will elect to KICKOFF or if its EXTREMELY WINDY they will elect to TAKE SIDE!!!!!!!!!

    Getting the ball 2nd will tell them exactly what they need to do to win the game. All 4 downs can be used vice only 3 for the team getting the ball first. So once again its an unfair advantage to the team winning the coin toss........Doesnt matter what they do to change overtime its always going to be determined by the flip of the coin.
    A touchdown wins the game no matter what, and the Steeler special teams has a propensity for giving up TD returns on kickoffs. There is no way in hell that the Steelers would choose to kickoff in overtime and lose the game on a runback. They (along with every other team not coached by Marty Morhinweg) will choose to receive in OT under these new playoff OT rules.


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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by stlrz d
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast
    A recent analysis by economist Richard E. Hawkins of Pennsylvania State University in DuBois confirms that these differences are statistically significant.

    "The analysis finds with 99.99 % certainty that the [coin] flip has made a difference in the outcome of the game over the last 10 years," he concludes. "But for the period prior to those 10 years, the coin flip cannot be shown to be important."


    Why the difference?

    Interestingly, the cumulative data hide the effect of a rule change that occurred in 1994, when kickoffs were moved back 5 yards to the 30-yard line. Since 1994, nearly one-third of overtime games have been won on the first possession by the team that received the ball first. In the first 20 seasons, under the old rule, slightly more than one-quarter of the games were won in this fashion.

    Further analysis by Hawkins suggests that the first-to-six rule will reduce the first possession effect but will also result in more potential ties.

    This article suggests moving the kick-off back by 5 yds will reduce the first possession winner effect:

    http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010...to-change.html
    The rule change is for the playoffs only. There will be no ties...someone has to win in order to advance.
    Very true. And why the hell are they calling it "first-to-six" rule in this article? It isn't first to six. Sure, if you score a TD on the first possession, it's over, but you don't need to be the first team to score 6 points in OT in order to win. If the first team kicks a FG and the second team is unable to score...game over...no one needs to get to six. If there is a safety on the first possession...game over...no one needs to get to six.


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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    Accept ties in the regular season and play a 15 minute quarter in the playoffs and if that should not yield a winner play sudden death from the exact point that the overtime period ended.

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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    Quote Originally Posted by "stlrz d":3lmpejwm
    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    So after Peyton Manning gets the ball first and drives down for a perceived game winning FG then lose when the Colts D gives up a TD because of the new rules I bet you we go right back to the old rules. LOL...
    People have been complaining about the OT rules long before Manning ever came into the league.
    Talking about it for 20 years but changed it 2 years after Manning was knocked out without a touch in San Diego. For weeks all they talked about was the MVP not getting a touch.

    I don't like it and I think if Manning loses an OT game due to the new rule we will hear ESPN and all the experts scream about the change.
    Man you just don't get it, do you?

    People will use whatever leverage they can to further their argument. The OT rules weren't changed because Manning didn't get to touch the ball. But Manning is a big name so when he doesn't get to touch the ball in OT the people who want the OT rules changed will use his name as LEVERAGE to make their case.

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    it pains you to agree with me...

    If Peyton was used as LEVERAGE it implies he was the primary reason the rule was changed.

    I know it hurts... but thank you for proving my point.

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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    I like the simple idea of continuing on with the flow of the game for another full quarter and no sudden death. You pick the game up just the same as you would going from the 1st to the 2nd (or 3rd to the 4th). Still tied after that quarter? Keep going. Same format until a quarter ends with a team ahead. But only for the playoffs.

    In the regular season I am in favor of just ending with the tie after the 4thQ. After all, there is a "next week" to think about.

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    Re: Owners Pass New Overtime Rules for Playoffs

    Hate having different rules for regular season vs. playoffs. How many teams miss the playoffs b/c of one loss (which could come in the old rules). A regular season game the last game of the year where the winner is in and the loser is out is less important than a playoff game?

    One set of rules fro the entire season. If it's important enough to fiddle with fro the playoffs then it's importantant enough for week 3.

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