That was my initial thought as well.Originally Posted by Slapstick
That was my initial thought as well.Originally Posted by Slapstick
Who's Dennis Dixon?
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I'm actually in a place where I'd like a mid-round QB... in the event ben is injured... or "whatever".... (hooks up with a high schooler)
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Who's Aaron Rodgers? Some QB who has shown some above average skills. DD might be AR, but, without meaning any disrespect, whether he is or isn't, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?Originally Posted by pfelix73
We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!
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Heck of an interesting discussion, only a few slightly personal attacks on my intelligence (of which I have enough) and my sanity (which is, certifiably, questionable)...
I have to admit, my views are somewhat clouded by something close to disgust at Ben's personal conduct... and my references to Ron Artest and Latrell Sprewell were made because I question whether Ben's issue is immaturity (which he'll grow out of) or impulse control (which will eventually land him in jail, no matter how lawyered up he gets if he doesn't get some help). As the father of a near teen daughter and a high school teacher I look at Ben's situation, look at the young kids I work with and just shake my head. Even if he didn't do anything that can be proven illegal, it's wrong. Some things are bigger than football and jersey loyalty and even my loyalty to the old home in the 'Burgh. I absolutely hate the fact that I have to feel conflicted about rooting for my team. Truthfully, I believe the Rooney family probably feels the same way, having the old style Irish Catholic roots, and ticking off the boss doesn't serve one's best interests regardless of one's profession.
That said, I admit that I get bored and turn off the preseason games late when I don't recognize the jersey numbers, so I haven't seen a ton of Dixon's games... BUT Oregon was a national title contender, #2 in the BCS at 8 - 0 his senior year when he got hurt, and he WAS the team. Without him, they lost out the season. If they win out, he is likely at LEAST a first day pick and maybe sneaks up to the top half of round 2. As it is, he was a tremendous steal, and could be an ace in the hole
Aaron Rodgers is a good NFL quarterback who has a chance to be more, and I believe based on his pedigree and what I've seen of his arm strength and running ability that Dixon could be the same. He played in that silly Oregon spread, which would limit his training in reading defenses... can he do it? Don't know, but our past experiences with guys like him were Korky and Tee Martin, who TOGETHER scored a 22 on the Wonderlic. If the guy has even average smarts, I think he could be something...
And I'd rather go 8 - 8 with a clean conscience and positive role model with competitive upside leading my team than 12 - 4 with a ticking time bomb whose character I deplore and who, if he implodes as I fear he will, could pull the entire franchise down with him. If he goes Michael Vick on us, we turn into the Raiders. If I'm a lone voice, so be it, but I'm ready to cut bait.
This thread is at least one year premature.
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Since you brought up Wonderlic scores, Dennis Dixon's was a 29.
Here are the Wonderlic scores of some other QB's:
1.Drew Henson 42
2.Alex Smith 40
3.Eli Manning 39
4.Brian Griese 39
5.Charlie Frye 38
6.Tony Romo 37
7.Drew Bledsoe 36
8.Matt Leinart 35
9.Kellen Clemens 35
10.Aaron Rodgers 35
11.Tom Brady 33
12.Steve Young 33
13.Joey Harrington 32
14.Patrick Ramsey 32
15.Sage Rosenfels 32
16.J.P. Losman 31
17.Matt Schaub 31
18.Phillip Rivers 30
19.Brady Quinn 29
20.Rex Grossman 29
21.Marc Bulger 29
22.Matt Hasselbeck 29
23.Troy Aikman 29
24.John Elway 29
25.Drew Brees 28
26.Peyton Manning 28
27.Kyle Boller 27
28.Ryan Leaf 27
29.Jay Cutler 26
30.Kyle Orton 26
31.Carson Palmer 26
32.Akili Smith 26
33.Ben Roethlisberger 25
34.Byron Leftwich 25
35.Chad Pennington 25
36.JaMarcus Russell 24
37.David Carr 24
38.Jason Campbell 23
39.Tim Couch 22
40.Trent Dilfer 22
41.Brett Favre 22
42.Michael Vick 20
43.Tarvaris Jackson 19
44.Bruce Gradkowski 19
45.Derek Anderson 19
46.A.J. Feeley 19
47.Daunte Culpepper 18
48.Aaron Brooks 17
49.Vinny Testeverde 17
50.Vince Young 16
51.Steve McNair 15
52.Randall Cunningham 15
53.Dan Marino 15
54.Terry Bradshaw 15
55.David Garrard 14
56.Donovan McNabb 14
57.Marcus Vick 11
58.Jeff George 10
59.Chris Leak 8
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Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.
We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.
We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
To that I'd probably agree. Ideally, you'd like to see a young guy on the bench at LEAST 3 or 4 years... additionally, although the negative attention does take it's toll on the team, the legal case WILL play out. The only reason I think this even is possible is because of 2010's unique capless year, and even at that, I see the chances being at best 50/50 even if the worst happens legally... but the what ifs are what discussion boards are for!Originally Posted by Discipline of Steel
Given the current circumstances I'd have to say I couldn't disagree more.Originally Posted by TallyStiller
Here's my take...I'm with Ben until he's not with us. In the meantime, develop Dixon because he's got skills as good as any coming out in the draft this year & could very easily lead this team to a winning record.
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