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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
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    He hasn't been on a motorcycle without a helmet since the accident though has he? Not sure if they changed the laws or not. Ben can do anything legal no matter how dangerous it is. It's his life, like Drago said in Rocky 4.. or 5. "If he dies, he dies"

    The Rooneys would get over it... I know we all would. (sarcasm)
    What's your point? Seriously?

    I have no idea if he's been on a motorcycle without a helmet since. I also have no idea if he would be basing his decision to wear one off of concern for his own safety or another reason.

    It seems your point is that since "we fans" and "the Steelers organization" would be affected in a negative way then Ben should make his decisions based on that...

    I don't agree. He's a person. He has free will. If it's not against the law and it's not in his contract not to do then he can do whatever the **** he wants. You can sit around and say it was a dumb decision all you want. It's what the armchair quarterbacks do best.

    However, when it's all done and said, crap happens to people regardless of their actual intentions and sometimes regardless of what safety precautions they take. If he was wearing a helmet would you be talking about how bad a decision it is for a 100 million dollar man to be riding a motorcycle at all? I bet you would.

    If this latest thing happened in the confines of his own home with a girl that was supposed to be hush-hush and everything cool...but then went against her word and tried to get some money out of him anyway...(for the record I'm not saying anything about his guilt or innocence in the ongoing investigations...because I. Wasn't. There.)...then would you be talking about how he needs to just get married and quit banging all types of girls? I bet you would.

    My point is that you can never be 100 percent safe about anything for one. Another point is that we, as fans, don't own Ben Roethlisberger. He's a man. He might be "different" than the average joe for some reasons, but in the end last I checked he can do whatever the hell he wants. I think the fans that are talking about how stupid he is for going out to a club nearby one of his homes for his birthday with at least one friend and a bunch of bodyguards should seriously just shut the hell up and worry about their own lives. Judge not, lest ye be judged and all that. Glass houses, etc etc.

    I'll be getting a new bicycle soon, and when I do...guess what? I won't be wearing a helmet when I ride it. I could easily fall off of it and break my jaw? How do I know? Because I broke my jaw while riding a bicycle before. Would wearing a helmet have helped? Maybe. However, it's my damn decision to make. If you want to sit around and talk about how stupid I am for not wearing a helmet go for it. In the end, it will you sitting around making judgments on other people's decisions instead of tending your own house.
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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by steelernation77
    I'm 21, and I don't mean to offend you guys, but when we see guys 27+ in a college bar hitting on 19 and 20 year old girls we think they're creeps. Ben should grow up. Even if it was consensual, he shouldn't be banging 20 year olds in bar bathrooms.
    That's your right. However, if two people of the legal age or over decide they want to go bang each other I don't see why the hell you care. It also sounds like you really give too much of a crap about things that don't concern you.
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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel
    i believe Ben is making choices that give him a higher probability of bad things happening to him than if he instead chose to not ride a motorcycle (especially without a helmet on) and decided not to be out at bars at 2am.

    does he have a right to? of course he does, i just think he should use a little more common sense.
    As has been mentioned elsewhere, he would have a lot lower probability of bad things happening to him if he sat in his own compound and never left it...ever. Where exactly are you drawing the line and how will we decide where the line is drawn? Obviously if he decides to take up jumping out of airplanes without a chute, I might think him retarded.

    But riding a motorcycle and choosing to wear a helmet? Going out to a club with a bunch of bodyguards to celebrate your birthday in a town near where you live?

    Apparently you draw that line in a spot pretty far from where I do, and that's your right. However, one of us is proclaiming that someone is doing something he shouldn't while one of us isn't. I prefer to err on the side of "minding my own business and worrying about my own choices".
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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

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    if one is reckless and uses poor judgment by not wearing a condom with a partner they don't know that well, then that individual has a higher probability of getting a sexual disease than the person who uses good judgment and wears a condom.

    a person not wearing a helmet while operating a vehicle at high speeds that offers no protection (like a motorcycle) is using poor judgment, law or no law.
    That example is misleading. In the first example (the condom) causing harm to someone else is involved. In the second, I don't believe it is.

    Much like mandatory seat belt law, helmet laws are a bunch of bad word. If the only person you can harm is yourself than it should be your decision whether or not to wear one, period. I'm not getting into how insurance companies might play a part in this crap either.

    Point being, you might think it's poor judgment to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. That's your right, so when you ride a motorcycle wear a helmet. Other people don't have to acquiesce to your opinion of what they should do for their own safety.

    if Ben were to get seriously injured while riding a motorcycle without a helmet on he would not only be hurting himself, he would also be hurting his teammates who depend on him and the entire Steelers organization.
    So basically every person out there riding without a helmet should refrain from doing so because their employer and coworkers are depending on them?


    no, every person out there riding without a helmet should refrain from doing so because it is much safer to wear a helmet and could possibly save their life or prevent them from serious injury in the event of an accident.

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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by eniparadoxgma
    Quote Originally Posted by steelernation77
    I'm 21, and I don't mean to offend you guys, but when we see guys 27+ in a college bar hitting on 19 and 20 year old girls we think they're creeps. Ben should grow up. Even if it was consensual, he shouldn't be banging 20 year olds in bar bathrooms.
    That's your right. However, if two people of the legal age or over decide they want to go bang each other I don't see why the hell you care. It also sounds like you really give too much of a crap about things that don't concern you.
    If people spent half the time they dedicate to observing and judging others...to self improvement...this world would be a better place. If he is 50 and wants to hang with college chicks...what's the problem? I don't get why people care.

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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    I'm sure there are some industries that do not want their employees riding without a helmet. Some companies give bonuses to employees who don't smoke or have great excellent health reports.

    The NBA, I believe, has enforced a no motorcycle rule because of the guaranteed contract and lost investment.

    I think the obvious point though is the common man and Ben are 2 different things. People keep saying things that suggest a 100 million dollar man is the norm.
    If it's in his contract to not do certain things then he probably shouldn't do them.

    If it's not, then let him do whatever the hell he wants. I'm not his keeper and neither are you.
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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by eniparadoxgma
    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel
    if one is reckless and uses poor judgment by not wearing a condom with a partner they don't know that well, then that individual has a higher probability of getting a sexual disease than the person who uses good judgment and wears a condom.

    a person not wearing a helmet while operating a vehicle at high speeds that offers no protection (like a motorcycle) is using poor judgment, law or no law.
    That example is misleading. In the first example (the condom) causing harm to someone else is involved. In the second, I don't believe it is.

    Much like mandatory seat belt law, helmet laws are a bunch of bad word. If the only person you can harm is yourself than it should be your decision whether or not to wear one, period. I'm not getting into how insurance companies might play a part in this crap either.

    Point being, you might think it's poor judgment to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. That's your right, so when you ride a motorcycle wear a helmet. Other people don't have to acquiesce to your opinion of what they should do for their own safety.
    I would disagree. If you don't have a helmet, then that can change the way you drive when you see danger coming and that can lead to harming someone who otherwise wouldn't have been harmed. It's the Heisenberg principle. The moment you change one factor in any experiment, the entire experiment is affected.

    Furthermore, the argument implies that the condom-wearer is known to be clean. It's talking about the risk of incurring injury to oneself.

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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by cruzer8
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    Going out to a bar with bodyguards and friends isn't poor judgment.


    riding a motorcycle without a helmet on is.
    Have you ever lived in a city with an NFL team? I've lived in a few of them. In the states that have helmet laws the players wear them. In the states where there are no helmet laws they usually don't.
    Well, then they all have poor judgment.

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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by eniparadoxgma
    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel
    if one is reckless and uses poor judgment by not wearing a condom with a partner they don't know that well, then that individual has a higher probability of getting a sexual disease than the person who uses good judgment and wears a condom.

    a person not wearing a helmet while operating a vehicle at high speeds that offers no protection (like a motorcycle) is using poor judgment, law or no law.
    That example is misleading. In the first example (the condom) causing harm to someone else is involved. In the second, I don't believe it is.

    Much like mandatory seat belt law, helmet laws are a bunch of bad word. If the only person you can harm is yourself than it should be your decision whether or not to wear one, period. I'm not getting into how insurance companies might play a part in this crap either.

    Point being, you might think it's poor judgment to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. That's your right, so when you ride a motorcycle wear a helmet. Other people don't have to acquiesce to your opinion of what they should do for their own safety.
    Ok, so it's my opinion that when sky-diving I should wear a parachute. But it's just MY opinion, right??

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    Re: Rush to judgment on Big Ben wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelAbility
    Quote Originally Posted by eniparadoxgma
    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel
    if one is reckless and uses poor judgment by not wearing a condom with a partner they don't know that well, then that individual has a higher probability of getting a sexual disease than the person who uses good judgment and wears a condom.

    a person not wearing a helmet while operating a vehicle at high speeds that offers no protection (like a motorcycle) is using poor judgment, law or no law.
    That example is misleading. In the first example (the condom) causing harm to someone else is involved. In the second, I don't believe it is.

    Much like mandatory seat belt law, helmet laws are a bunch of bad word. If the only person you can harm is yourself than it should be your decision whether or not to wear one, period. I'm not getting into how insurance companies might play a part in this crap either.

    Point being, you might think it's poor judgment to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. That's your right, so when you ride a motorcycle wear a helmet. Other people don't have to acquiesce to your opinion of what they should do for their own safety.
    Ok, so it's my opinion that when sky-diving I should wear a parachute. But it's just MY opinion, right??

    yes, and when you die you only hurt yourself. you don't hurt all the loved ones you leave behind...

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