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    Id

    The id comprises the unorganized part of the personality structure that contains the basic drives. The id acts as according to the "pleasure principle", seeking to avoid pain or unpleasure aroused by increases in instinctual tension.[3]

    The id is unconscious by definition. In Freud's formulation,
    “ It is the dark, inaccessible part of our personality, what little we know of it we have learnt from our study of the dream-work and of the construction of neurotic symptoms, and most of this is of a negative character and can be described only as a contrast to the ego. We all approach the id with analogies: we call it a chaos, a cauldron full of seething excitations... It is filled with energy reaching it from the instincts, but it has no organisation, produces no collective will, but only a striving to bring about the satisfaction of the instinctual needs subject to the observance of the pleasure principle.

    Developmentally, the id is anterior to the ego; i.e. the psychic apparatus begins, at birth, as an undifferentiated id, part of which then develops into a structured ego. Thus, the id:
    “ contains everything that is inherited, that is present at birth, is laid down in the constitution -- above all, therefore, the instincts, which originate from the somatic organisation, and which find a first psychical expression here (in the id) in forms unknown to us" [4]. ”

    The mind of a newborn child is regarded as completely "id-ridden", in the sense that it is a mass of instinctive drives and impulses, and needs immediate satisfaction. This view equates a newborn child with an id-ridden individual—often humorously—with this analogy: an alimentary tract with no sense of responsibility at either end.

    The id is responsible for our basic drives such as food, water, sex, and basic impulses. It is amoral and selfish, ruled by the pleasure–pain principle; it is without a sense of time, completely illogical, primarily sexual, infantile in its emotional development, and is not able to take "no" for an answer. It is regarded as the reservoir of the libido or "instinctive drive to create".

    Freud divided the id's drives and instincts into two categories: life and death instincts—the latter not so usually regarded because Freud thought of it later in his lifetime. Life instincts (Eros) are those that are crucial to pleasurable survival, such as eating and copulation. Death instincts, (Thanatos) as stated by Freud, is our unconscious wish to die, as death puts an end to the everyday struggles for happiness and survival. Freud noticed the death instinct in our desire for peace and attempts to escape reality through fiction, media, and drugs. It also indirectly represents itself through aggression.

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    Round 7b.

    LEMARKUS COKER RB HAMPTON 5'10 205lbs


    Big questions regarding his character, but seems to be heading in the right direction on that path after multiple substance abuse charges. Blazing fast, big enough to be used as an every down back. Was kicked off Tennessee's squad, but good enough to contribute there before being resurrected at Hampton. In the 7th- worth a flyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel
    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Here's Chadman's first official MOCK for the Steelers Note- this does not include the ever changing mock found underneath Hines Ward Woman's cute butt)...

    ROUND 1.

    MIKE IUPATI OG IDAHO 6'5" 334lbs


    Big strong OG that upgrades the interior of the OL, and helps Tomlin & co establish Mr Rooney's desire to improve the running game. Gives the new OL coach Sean Kugler a brand new toy to polish up. Big, long arms, big hands- all helps to stone wall defenders.


    Iupati has terrific size for an interior blocker. Plays with a lot of toughness and tenacity. Exhibits outstanding power in the running game and in pass protection. Has very good body control and balance. Possesses great short area quickness and really jolts defenders. Appears to have heavy hands in pass protection.

    Lacks adequate speed for the guard position. Must improve his instincts for the game and get better dealing with complex defensive line play. Because of sub-par speed, downfield blocking needs to get better. Struggles to get to the second level in the running game.


    Jacoby Ford blazed a 4.28 40 at the Combine today, fastest so far. As a result Ford will never make it to us in the 3rd round now, Al Davis and the Raiders are going to pick Ford in the first round and pair him with Darrius Heyward-Bey!
    Ford will be 'under drafted due to his size, but in Chadman's opinion, he's worthy of a 3rd round pick. Of course, the Raiders will trade up with the Rams to select him #1 overall...
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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    If the Steelers are going to make their defense younger by drafting defensive players in the 5th and 6th round they may as well not even draft them and just take players that play offense and try to outscore everyone.

    The Steelers have two cornerbacks that didn't see much playing time last year, Mundy and Carter, not to mention a FS that's exploring his options. The Steelers can't afford to wait until the tail end of the draft to begin to replace these players.

    Chadman, I have to say, if your mock is even remotely close I'll be very disappointed and be hoping that the offense will be able to hang 40 on every team, they'll need at least that to win games.

    Pappy
    Fully expect to have either Ryan Clark re-signed, or another vet FA brought in to start at FS this season- very unlikely a rookie will get to start there. What you say has merit Pap, but how many starting roles, or even contributing roles, are available on the Defense? Chris Cook would be a chance of starting, Micah Johnson has an NFL future, Robert Johnson is a quality mid-round pick & Udofia is a natural NT that won't need to see the field for 2 years anyway. Sure, the Steelers could grab a FS or CB earlier than Chadman has mocked, but not sure if the 'value' is there, when there are so many options in a strong draft for DB's. Signing Hampton takes away the need to reach for a NT, and Farrior won't be sliding over to the bench this year.

    Those mid to late round selections are what well prepared teams use to fill in future role's, not current roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    If the Steelers are going to make their defense younger by drafting defensive players in the 5th and 6th round they may as well not even draft them and just take players that play offense and try to outscore everyone.

    The Steelers have two cornerbacks that didn't see much playing time last year, Mundy and Carter, not to mention a FS that's exploring his options. The Steelers can't afford to wait until the tail end of the draft to begin to replace these players.

    Chadman, I have to say, if your mock is even remotely close I'll be very disappointed and be hoping that the offense will be able to hang 40 on every team, they'll need at least that to win games.

    Pappy
    Fully expect to have either Ryan Clark re-signed, or another vet FA brought in to start at FS this season- very unlikely a rookie will get to start there. What you say has merit Pap, but how many starting roles, or even contributing roles, are available on the Defense? Chris Cook would be a chance of starting, Micah Johnson has an NFL future, Robert Johnson is a quality mid-round pick & Udofia is a natural NT that won't need to see the field for 2 years anyway. Sure, the Steelers could grab a FS or CB earlier than Chadman has mocked, but not sure if the 'value' is there, when there are so many options in a strong draft for DB's. Signing Hampton takes away the need to reach for a NT, and Farrior won't be sliding over to the bench this year.

    Those mid to late round selections are what well prepared teams use to fill in future role's, not current roles.
    Even if the players they draft don't play this year they will have to play next year. I have to assume (at this point) that Burnett didn't have what it takes or he would have supplanted Gay at some point last year. Mundy isn't the answer or Carter would have sat. They are paper thin at ILB and even though Casey signed they need his replacement yesterday.

    The offense is young, Ben, Mendy, Santonio, Wallace, Heath and the line isn't old, I believe Hartwig is the gray beard. Ben is going to get sacked 30 times a year and there isn't anything any offensive lineman can do about it, it's how he plays. The current offensive line can get a hat on a hat and drive block well enough to run the football, they just need to be asked to do it more often.

    We watched this team get old in the 4th quarter all year on defense (even games that were won) they need an infusion of youth and they need it this year, IMHO.

    Pappy


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    Re: Well, if everyone else id doing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    If the Steelers are going to make their defense younger by drafting defensive players in the 5th and 6th round they may as well not even draft them and just take players that play offense and try to outscore everyone.

    The Steelers have two cornerbacks that didn't see much playing time last year, Mundy and Carter, not to mention a FS that's exploring his options. The Steelers can't afford to wait until the tail end of the draft to begin to replace these players.

    Chadman, I have to say, if your mock is even remotely close I'll be very disappointed and be hoping that the offense will be able to hang 40 on every team, they'll need at least that to win games.

    Pappy
    Fully expect to have either Ryan Clark re-signed, or another vet FA brought in to start at FS this season- very unlikely a rookie will get to start there. What you say has merit Pap, but how many starting roles, or even contributing roles, are available on the Defense? Chris Cook would be a chance of starting, Micah Johnson has an NFL future, Robert Johnson is a quality mid-round pick & Udofia is a natural NT that won't need to see the field for 2 years anyway. Sure, the Steelers could grab a FS or CB earlier than Chadman has mocked, but not sure if the 'value' is there, when there are so many options in a strong draft for DB's. Signing Hampton takes away the need to reach for a NT, and Farrior won't be sliding over to the bench this year.

    Those mid to late round selections are what well prepared teams use to fill in future role's, not current roles.
    Even if the players they draft don't play this year they will have to play next year. I have to assume (at this point) that Burnett didn't have what it takes or he would have supplanted Gay at some point last year. Mundy isn't the answer or Carter would have sat. They are paper thin at ILB and even though Casey signed they need his replacement yesterday.

    The offense is young, Ben, Mendy, Santonio, Wallace, Heath and the line isn't old, I believe Hartwig is the gray beard. Ben is going to get sacked 30 times a year and there isn't anything any offensive lineman can do about it, it's how he plays. The current offensive line can get a hat on a hat and drive block well enough to run the football, they just need to be asked to do it more often.

    We watched this team get old in the 4th quarter all year on defense (even games that were won) they need an infusion of youth and they need it this year, IMHO.

    Pappy

    Agreed Pap, we watched the D get old. But....not Old at CB, or even at Safety. ILB for sure, but with Key Fox on board, and with Chadman's selection of Micah Johnson, you only need to remove Farrior to fix that. Hood will eventually move in to DE, and RaShon Harris is still on the books. So, outside of replacing Ty Carter, where are we going to get younger in a hurry? They don't need to remove 14 defensive players to 'get younger'. Just so long as they put in place measures to upgrade the D over the course of the next couple of years. If your thinking is 'get younger now', then you would advocate cutting Farrior, Aaron Smith & Casey Hampton? What about cutting Harrison too? Because really, that's where the age is.

    The reality is, injuries to Smith & Polamalu hurt, Farrior declined too much for him to 'hide' after Aaron Smith went down, and Ty Carter proved to not be Troy Polamalu. The FO looks to have over valued Willie Gay, and to an extent Ryan Clark, and the rookie CB's from last year didn't turn out to be Rod Woodson. But with Smith & Polamalu back, and with the addition of a big time CB (Chris Cook), the D starts to look a whole lot better.
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    Chadman- with all due respect- I'd like for you to redo this sometime in April... Just too early for a mock at this point- and some on here are doing final mocks already-lol
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    Re: Well, if everyone else id doing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by pfelix73
    Chadman- with all due respect- I'd like for you to redo this sometime in April... Just too early for a mock at this point- and some on here are doing final mocks already-lol
    Never you worry- as we get closer, there will be re-do's, just upgrades keeping Steeler activities in mind as we get closer.



    This is far from 'the final'.
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    Re: Well, if everyone else id doing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    If the Steelers are going to make their defense younger by drafting defensive players in the 5th and 6th round they may as well not even draft them and just take players that play offense and try to outscore everyone.

    The Steelers have two cornerbacks that didn't see much playing time last year, Mundy and Carter, not to mention a FS that's exploring his options. The Steelers can't afford to wait until the tail end of the draft to begin to replace these players.

    Chadman, I have to say, if your mock is even remotely close I'll be very disappointed and be hoping that the offense will be able to hang 40 on every team, they'll need at least that to win games.

    Pappy
    Fully expect to have either Ryan Clark re-signed, or another vet FA brought in to start at FS this season- very unlikely a rookie will get to start there. What you say has merit Pap, but how many starting roles, or even contributing roles, are available on the Defense? Chris Cook would be a chance of starting, Micah Johnson has an NFL future, Robert Johnson is a quality mid-round pick & Udofia is a natural NT that won't need to see the field for 2 years anyway. Sure, the Steelers could grab a FS or CB earlier than Chadman has mocked, but not sure if the 'value' is there, when there are so many options in a strong draft for DB's. Signing Hampton takes away the need to reach for a NT, and Farrior won't be sliding over to the bench this year.

    Those mid to late round selections are what well prepared teams use to fill in future role's, not current roles.
    Even if the players they draft don't play this year they will have to play next year. I have to assume (at this point) that Burnett didn't have what it takes or he would have supplanted Gay at some point last year. Mundy isn't the answer or Carter would have sat. They are paper thin at ILB and even though Casey signed they need his replacement yesterday.

    The offense is young, Ben, Mendy, Santonio, Wallace, Heath and the line isn't old, I believe Hartwig is the gray beard. Ben is going to get sacked 30 times a year and there isn't anything any offensive lineman can do about it, it's how he plays. The current offensive line can get a hat on a hat and drive block well enough to run the football, they just need to be asked to do it more often.

    We watched this team get old in the 4th quarter all year on defense (even games that were won) they need an infusion of youth and they need it this year, IMHO.

    Pappy

    Agreed Pap, we watched the D get old. But....not Old at CB, or even at Safety. ILB for sure, but with Key Fox on board, and with Chadman's selection of Micah Johnson, you only need to remove Farrior to fix that. Hood will eventually move in to DE, and RaShon Harris is still on the books. So, outside of replacing Ty Carter, where are we going to get younger in a hurry? They don't need to remove 14 defensive players to 'get younger'. Just so long as they put in place measures to upgrade the D over the course of the next couple of years. If your thinking is 'get younger now', then you would advocate cutting Farrior, Aaron Smith & Casey Hampton? What about cutting Harrison too? Because really, that's where the age is.

    The reality is, injuries to Smith & Polamalu hurt, Farrior declined too much for him to 'hide' after Aaron Smith went down, and Ty Carter proved to not be Troy Polamalu. The FO looks to have over valued Willie Gay, and to an extent Ryan Clark, and the rookie CB's from last year didn't turn out to be Rod Woodson. But with Smith & Polamalu back, and with the addition of a big time CB (Chris Cook), the D starts to look a whole lot better.
    No, the Steelers need to get younger over the next two years. Hood saw enough time last year to be able to really help this year and there isn't any reason to believe that he can't. Casey only signed a 3 year contract, there probably won't be football in 2011, so, next year could be his last productive year, the Steelers need his replacement this year to play on third down and get experience.

    Farrior shouldn't be cut, but his role should be diminished and Fox will probably get the snaps, but this year's draft should have his replacement.

    The Steelers are young at corner, but Gay proved not to be the answer (maybe, he'll improve, but you need to draft just in case) and Ike was barely above average this year. Ike isn't going anywhere and rightfully so, but, they're weak on the other side.

    A backup with some skills wouldn't be a bad thing for Troy either. Just too many questions without real answers on defense for me. Who was the last 4th round or later selection to help the Steelers on offense or defense? (Not counting Sepulveda, I'm talking a n every down player) Essex?

    My point is that counting on late round draft picks to develop is folly, IMO. Draft em high and work them in.

    Pappy


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    Re: Well, if everyone else id doing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    If the Steelers are going to make their defense younger by drafting defensive players in the 5th and 6th round they may as well not even draft them and just take players that play offense and try to outscore everyone.

    The Steelers have two cornerbacks that didn't see much playing time last year, Mundy and Carter, not to mention a FS that's exploring his options. The Steelers can't afford to wait until the tail end of the draft to begin to replace these players.

    Chadman, I have to say, if your mock is even remotely close I'll be very disappointed and be hoping that the offense will be able to hang 40 on every team, they'll need at least that to win games.

    Pappy
    Fully expect to have either Ryan Clark re-signed, or another vet FA brought in to start at FS this season- very unlikely a rookie will get to start there. What you say has merit Pap, but how many starting roles, or even contributing roles, are available on the Defense? Chris Cook would be a chance of starting, Micah Johnson has an NFL future, Robert Johnson is a quality mid-round pick & Udofia is a natural NT that won't need to see the field for 2 years anyway. Sure, the Steelers could grab a FS or CB earlier than Chadman has mocked, but not sure if the 'value' is there, when there are so many options in a strong draft for DB's. Signing Hampton takes away the need to reach for a NT, and Farrior won't be sliding over to the bench this year.

    Those mid to late round selections are what well prepared teams use to fill in future role's, not current roles.
    Even if the players they draft don't play this year they will have to play next year. I have to assume (at this point) that Burnett didn't have what it takes or he would have supplanted Gay at some point last year. Mundy isn't the answer or Carter would have sat. They are paper thin at ILB and even though Casey signed they need his replacement yesterday.

    The offense is young, Ben, Mendy, Santonio, Wallace, Heath and the line isn't old, I believe Hartwig is the gray beard. Ben is going to get sacked 30 times a year and there isn't anything any offensive lineman can do about it, it's how he plays. The current offensive line can get a hat on a hat and drive block well enough to run the football, they just need to be asked to do it more often.

    We watched this team get old in the 4th quarter all year on defense (even games that were won) they need an infusion of youth and they need it this year, IMHO.

    Pappy

    Agreed Pap, we watched the D get old. But....not Old at CB, or even at Safety. ILB for sure, but with Key Fox on board, and with Chadman's selection of Micah Johnson, you only need to remove Farrior to fix that. Hood will eventually move in to DE, and RaShon Harris is still on the books. So, outside of replacing Ty Carter, where are we going to get younger in a hurry? They don't need to remove 14 defensive players to 'get younger'. Just so long as they put in place measures to upgrade the D over the course of the next couple of years. If your thinking is 'get younger now', then you would advocate cutting Farrior, Aaron Smith & Casey Hampton? What about cutting Harrison too? Because really, that's where the age is.

    The reality is, injuries to Smith & Polamalu hurt, Farrior declined too much for him to 'hide' after Aaron Smith went down, and Ty Carter proved to not be Troy Polamalu. The FO looks to have over valued Willie Gay, and to an extent Ryan Clark, and the rookie CB's from last year didn't turn out to be Rod Woodson. But with Smith & Polamalu back, and with the addition of a big time CB (Chris Cook), the D starts to look a whole lot better.
    No, the Steelers need to get younger over the next two years. Hood saw enough time last year to be able to really help this year and there isn't any reason to believe that he can't. Casey only signed a 3 year contract, there probably won't be football in 2011, so, next year could be his last productive year, the Steelers need his replacement this year to play on third down and get experience.

    Farrior shouldn't be cut, but his role should be diminished and Fox will probably get the snaps, but this year's draft should have his replacement.

    The Steelers are young at corner, but Gay proved not to be the answer (maybe, he'll improve, but you need to draft just in case) and Ike was barely above average this year. Ike isn't going anywhere and rightfully so, but, they're weak on the other side.

    A backup with some skills wouldn't be a bad thing for Troy either. Just too many questions without real answers on defense for me. Who was the last 4th round or later selection to help the Steelers on offense or defense? (Not counting Sepulveda, I'm talking a n every down player) Essex?

    My point is that counting on late round draft picks to develop is folly, IMO. Draft em high and work them in.

    Pappy
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