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    Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Sunday, February 7, 2010
    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 66071.html

    Just as the confetti that will fall after New Orleans tosses that last shovel of dirt on the "Aints," or Peyton Manning becomes the 11th quarterback to win multiple Super Bowls, footballs are sure to fill the South Florida air tonight.

    The last two NFL teams standing also happen to be pass-happy ones. And they are expected to stage one of the highest-scoring games in Super Bowl history tonight at Sun Lite Stadium.

    As exceptional at the Indianapolis Colts and Saints have been this season their approach has been anything but that. The two, in fact, may simply reflect a shift that has taken place in the NFL given the success other teams have had with a pass-first mentality.

    "As we've watched the evolution of the NFL there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it is a passing league," said ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski, who played quarterback in the NFL from 1973-89. "What's going to give you your best chance of winning a world championship? Right now, I believe that it is with the passing game and we're seeing that play out."

    Indeed, this season offers something of a rebuttal to the argument that winning is directly proportional to teams' ability to run the ball.

    What once bordered on dogma may not be the case when considering the following:

    All of the teams that finished in the top 10 in passing this season had winning records; of the teams that were in the top 10 in rushing only five finished better than .500.

    Eight of the teams in the top 10 in passing made the playoffs; only five of the 10 best rushing teams qualified for postseason play.

    The combined winning percentage of the top 10 passing teams was .706; for the top 10 rushing teams it was .544.

    "Times are changing," former Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach turned TV analyst Jon Gruden said. "Spread formations, open style that's what's happening now in football and we better get used to it because more of it's coming."

    More of it is coming because the spread offense has done just that in college football.

    What was once seen as almost a gimmick and a way for schools with inferior talent to match up with powerhouse programs has been embraced by top teams as well.

    Florida won national championships in 2006 and 2008 running a spread offense. Even Penn State, which had long been as conservative as coach Joe Paterno's politics, has embraced the spread.

    The Nittany Lions have won a pair of Big Ten titles (2005 and 200 since regularly using three-wide receiver sets and de-emphasizing the role of the traditional fullback in their offense.

    How much what is happening in the college game has influenced the NFL is impossible to quantify. But several players said the game has changed significantly during their time in the NFL.

    "When I came into the league most of the teams ran your typical, pro-style offense," said Minnesota Vikings guard Steve Hutchinson, a nine-year NFL veteran. "Versions of the spread and a lot of similarities of the spread offense has worked its way into the league."

    The reason for that is NFL coaches, like college ones, try to exploit matchups.

    New York Jets All-Pro cornerback Darrelle Revis said San Diego tight end Antonio Gates is a prime example of this strategy.

    Gates, a perennial Pro Bowler, creates mismatches because the 6-4, 260-pounder has a significant size advantage over safeties. The former Division I basketball player is also too fast and athletic for most linebacker to cover.

    The way the Chargers use Gates is indicative of how NFL offensive coordinators will spread the field so they can get a favorable match up.

    "(Gates) has a package where they might have split him out and he's doing wide receiver things," said Revis, the former Aliquippa and Pitt star, "so it's coaches getting more into their players and finding the best way to get them the ball."

    That is not to say NFL teams have by and large forsaken the run even though the Colts were last in the league in rushing offense this season.

    The Jets' ground attack powered them to within one win of the Super Bowl, and they led the Colts 17-6 late in the second quarter before Manning took over the AFC title game.

    But the Jets, who led the NFL in rushing this season (172.2 yards per game), almost had the look of a throwback team compared to the Colts, Saints and Vikings.

    The three teams that rounded out the NFL's final four this season averaged a combined 271.4 passing yards a game.

    "There's teams that are running the ball but there aren't as many teams as dedicated to running the ball that stick with it and continue to go that route," said Jets and former Steelers guard Alan Faneca. "Those types of teams are far and few. (Passing) is the pretty thing to do and it's nice when you've got a guy who can fling it and get 20 yards in one chunk."

    A Monday Night Football game in the second week of the season portended the success passing teams would have in 2009.

    On Sept. 21, the Miami Dolphins outrushed the Colts by almost 180 yards. They also held the ball for 30-plus minutes longer than Indianapolis in the same stadium where the Colts will play for their second Super Bowl title in four years.

    Yet the Colts beat the Dolphins, 27-23, as Manning threw touchdown passes of 80 and 48 yards.

    "They did everything they should have," Hutchinson said of the Dolphins, "and when you've got a team that can score points like Indy you're penalized for doing almost how you were taught to play the game.

    "I think a lot of teams, although they would like to be a primarily running team, you almost can't play catch up against a lot of teams when you're a running team."

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    Re: Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    The Saints average 131.6 yards per game rushing.

    Guess that didn't fit the author's agenda?

    The Saints are in because they move the ball well via the pass and the run...and they finish drives by scoring points. They scored 510 points in the regular season...40 more than the second place finisher, the Minnesota Favres.

    Defensively they take the ball away, which gave their high powered, well balanced offense more scoring opportunities. 26 interceptions, 13 fumble recoveries and 8 defensive TDs. Plus 35 sacks.

    The Saints are in because they are a balanced team.

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    Yep... I hate how the Saints running attack is being ignored to pimp the pass. I'm hoping the running game is the difference in this SB to shut people up.

    The pass was implemented to enhance the game... it's being talked about like it's new this year for some reason.

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    Re: Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    Yep... I hate how the Saints running attack is being ignored to pimp the pass. I'm hoping the running game is the difference in this SB to shut people up.

    The pass was implemented to enhance the game... it's being talked about like it's new this year for some reason.
    Most of what the Saints do on offense is set up by the pass. Guess that is one reason why they do not focus on the run game. Like it or hate it, the NFL is a pass heavy league now.
    Most of the best teams in the league are able to pass the ball.

    The run vs pass philosophy appears to be a hot topic among Steelers fans. Could that be a reason why it seems new?

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    Re: Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    Whether you set up one with the other isn't the point. The point is that you need to be able to do BOTH effectively & consistently to be successful. Manning is successful, but how many of them are there in the league? Right, one. The Saints are a very good team because they have balance, like slrz d said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jooser
    Whether you set up one with the other isn't the point. The point is that you need to be able to do BOTH effectively & consistently to be successful. Manning is successful, but how many of them are there in the league? Right, one. The Saints are a very good team because they have balance, like slrz d said.
    I think it is a valid point that I made. Some teams use the run to set up the pass. I believe the Saints base most of what they do on offense off the passing game.

    It's been proven that teams don't need to do both effectively to be successful. In an ideal world it is surely what all teams want. Unfortunately, we don't live in that kind of world.

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    Re: Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    Think about this...a 4000 yard plus passer, who some think is the like the greatest QB ever, going against a mediocre defense at best...could only put up 17 points in the Super Bowl. If a team has the personel and stays committed to the run they can and will continue to be successful in the NFL. And I am sure they could at least put up 17 on that Saints defense.
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    Re: Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    yes, thats why the secondary needs to be addressed early, and probably more then once

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    Re: Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL
    Quote Originally Posted by Jooser
    Whether you set up one with the other isn't the point. The point is that you need to be able to do BOTH effectively & consistently to be successful. Manning is successful, but how many of them are there in the league? Right, one. The Saints are a very good team because they have balance, like slrz d said.
    I think it is a valid point that I made. Some teams use the run to set up the pass. I believe the Saints base most of what they do on offense off the passing game.

    It's been proven that teams don't need to do both effectively to be successful. In an ideal world it is surely what all teams want. Unfortunately, we don't live in that kind of world.
    It is a valid point; guys who fail to recognize change are the ones who miss the boat. It's a difference how you get your rush yards, pass yards. Say the Saints are tied in rushing with the Panthers (just as an example).

    The Panthers run to set up their pass; the Saints, the opposite. The latter is the way to go in today's NFL. Those who pine for the days of "establishing the run" will end up watching the playoffs on TV, cuz that's NOT what the current game is about.

    It's why the past four SB teams (us, Arizona, NO, Colts), you have names like Hightower, Pierre Thomas, Not-SoFWP, and Addai as the RBs. And the QB's are Ben, Warner, Peyton, Brees... it's a passing league. NEWSFLASH
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    Re: Has running the ball become passe in NFL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe
    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL
    Quote Originally Posted by Jooser
    Whether you set up one with the other isn't the point. The point is that you need to be able to do BOTH effectively & consistently to be successful. Manning is successful, but how many of them are there in the league? Right, one. The Saints are a very good team because they have balance, like slrz d said.
    I think it is a valid point that I made. Some teams use the run to set up the pass. I believe the Saints base most of what they do on offense off the passing game.

    It's been proven that teams don't need to do both effectively to be successful. In an ideal world it is surely what all teams want. Unfortunately, we don't live in that kind of world.
    It is a valid point; guys who fail to recognize change are the ones who miss the boat. It's a difference how you get your rush yards, pass yards. Say the Saints are tied in rushing with the Panthers (just as an example).

    The Panthers run to set up their pass; the Saints, the opposite. The latter is the way to go in today's NFL. Those who pine for the days of "establishing the run" will end up watching the playoffs on TV, cuz that's NOT what the current game is about.

    It's why the past four SB teams (us, Arizona, NO, Colts), you have names like Hightower, Pierre Thomas, Not-SoFWP, and Addai as the RBs. And the QB's are Ben, Warner, Peyton, Brees... it's a passing league. NEWSFLASH
    Well said. Longing for the days of Franco, Rocky and Bettis will have us sitting at home in January. It was no accident that the two most pass prolific teams in the NFL were in the Super Bowl.
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