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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

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    I saw the post last week spouting envy about how the Ravens played. You saw today why you can't win a title with that 90's style offense. You have to pass successfully to win. You have to score points and be prepared to pass well when teams take away the run. The Ravens basically throw everything short all game in order to protect Flacco. Meanwhile Peyton has 40 pass attempts through three quarters.

    I pray that Tomlin and Arians don't start looking to run it more just because the critics don't like pass first football. The Steelers would have been division champs this year if the defense did not lead the league in blown fourth quarter leads. Not to mention the putrid special teams. The main improvement needed with the offense is being more efficient in the red zone. Meanwhile the defense and special teams need improvement from top to bottom.

    I will take Arians calling plays over the Ravens conservative play calling.
    I'm not defending the Ravens' offense, but it seems like it would only help the Steelers if we were consistently able to run the ball when we need to.

    And, BTW, much as you may hate the Ravens' offense (and I'm a Raven-hater from way back), at least they actually made the playoffs, and even won a game in the playoffs this season. All while BA and our Steelers team are sitting at home watching on TV.
    You can't really use that as an example. They made the playoffs off of technicalities alone. Don't forget they went 9-7, just like us, and they split the divisional series with us. Even then, they only beat us with Dennis Dixon filling in.
    They dominated us in the second meeting with Ben. Untimely and stupid penalties committed by them were the only thing that prevented them from kicking the Steelers arses. Sorry, I hate them too, but just being real. A W is a W, but they dominated us.
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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

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    only thing i like about their offense is ray rice & some of their linemen. i would trade mendenhall 4 rice in a heartbeat.
    Rice is nice... but isn't this his second year? People talk about Mendenhall like he is 28. The kid is all of 23 and has one season under his belt and he had 1000 yards on the ground and has good hands.

    I think he will have 1400 to 1600 next year barring injury. I think we run a ton of screens too with this new OL coach. I'm excited about Mend. Rice didn't impress me last night. He can burn but he wasn't breaking a lot of tackles last night. Outside of the screen he fumbled on...
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    78 receptions - 702 yards - 9.0 avg - 1TD
    2nd round pick - 55th overall

    Rashard Mendenhall
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    25 receptions - 261 yards - 10.4 avg - 1TD
    1st round pick - 23rd overall

    Rice would be a better fit for the Steelers offense that they are trying to run and is more explosive with the ball in his hands then Mendenhall is. Just my opinion. He had 2 more catches than Heath, 53 more catches than Mendenhall, and 39 more than Wallace. Add to it that he is just about the only weapon Baltimore has besides Derick Mason and I would guess it is a whole hell of a lot easier for D's to concentrate on shutting him down vs. Mendenhall yet he put up a lot better numbers than Mendenhall.

    Not saying Rashard won't eventually be a total asset to our offense, but at this point Rice is far superior.[/quotepbj0k8s]

    I see your point, Mr. PGH. My point would be that the Steelers need what would be called a balanced offense. If Bruce Arians understood what a balanced offense was all about, I guarantee Mendy's ground #s would be superior to Rice's and he would have receiving #s closer to Rice's.

    BA has to understand this. He had to have some people in the org. go to bat for him to still have a job. He prolly benefited from the Steeler Way of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. That's not a bad thing. But BA is singing for his supper next season. Something has to change. Getting Mendy more involved in the offense has to be part of that equation.

    Ray Rice is not a bad measuring stick for Mendy. Let's face it... Rice would get a lot more love here if he didn't play for one of the arch-enemies. OTOH, he also benefits from an offensive scheme that knows how to use his talent. Mendy should be so fortunate.
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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh
    Quote Originally Posted by SteelTorch
    Quote Originally Posted by BradshawsHairdresser
    Quote Originally Posted by MaxAMillion
    I saw the post last week spouting envy about how the Ravens played. You saw today why you can't win a title with that 90's style offense. You have to pass successfully to win. You have to score points and be prepared to pass well when teams take away the run. The Ravens basically throw everything short all game in order to protect Flacco. Meanwhile Peyton has 40 pass attempts through three quarters.

    I pray that Tomlin and Arians don't start looking to run it more just because the critics don't like pass first football. The Steelers would have been division champs this year if the defense did not lead the league in blown fourth quarter leads. Not to mention the putrid special teams. The main improvement needed with the offense is being more efficient in the red zone. Meanwhile the defense and special teams need improvement from top to bottom.

    I will take Arians calling plays over the Ravens conservative play calling.
    I'm not defending the Ravens' offense, but it seems like it would only help the Steelers if we were consistently able to run the ball when we need to.

    And, BTW, much as you may hate the Ravens' offense (and I'm a Raven-hater from way back), at least they actually made the playoffs, and even won a game in the playoffs this season. All while BA and our Steelers team are sitting at home watching on TV.
    You can't really use that as an example. They made the playoffs off of technicalities alone. Don't forget they went 9-7, just like us, and they split the divisional series with us. Even then, they only beat us with Dennis Dixon filling in.
    They dominated us in the second meeting with Ben. Untimely and stupid penalties committed by them were the only thing that prevented them from kicking the Steelers arses. Sorry, I hate them too, but just being real. A W is a W, but they dominated us.
    So what's your point then - that because the Ravens "dominated" us in one game, we should try to emulate their offense?

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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mister Pittsburgh":2b35jeqw
    only thing i like about their offense is ray rice & some of their linemen. i would trade mendenhall 4 rice in a heartbeat.
    Rice is nice... but isn't this his second year? People talk about Mendenhall like he is 28. The kid is all of 23 and has one season under his belt and he had 1000 yards on the ground and has good hands.

    I think he will have 1400 to 1600 next year barring injury. I think we run a ton of screens too with this new OL coach. I'm excited about Mend. Rice didn't impress me last night. He can burn but he wasn't breaking a lot of tackles last night. Outside of the screen he fumbled on...
    Ray Rice
    254 rushing attempts - 1,339 yards - 5.3 avg - 7TD
    78 receptions - 702 yards - 9.0 avg - 1TD
    2nd round pick - 55th overall

    Rashard Mendenhall
    242 rushing attempts - 1,108 yards - 4.6 avg - 7TD
    25 receptions - 261 yards - 10.4 avg - 1TD
    1st round pick - 23rd overall

    Rice would be a better fit for the Steelers offense that they are trying to run and is more explosive with the ball in his hands then Mendenhall is. Just my opinion. He had 2 more catches than Heath, 53 more catches than Mendenhall, and 39 more than Wallace. Add to it that he is just about the only weapon Baltimore has besides Derick Mason and I would guess it is a whole hell of a lot easier for D's to concentrate on shutting him down vs. Mendenhall yet he put up a lot better numbers than Mendenhall.

    Not saying Rashard won't eventually be a total asset to our offense, but at this point Rice is far superior.
    I see your point, Mr. PGH. My point would be that the Steelers need what would be called a balanced offense. If Bruce Arians understood what a balanced offense was all about, I guarantee Mendy's ground #s would be superior to Rice's and he would have receiving #s closer to Rice's.

    BA has to understand this. He had to have some people in the org. go to bat for him to still have a job. He prolly benefited from the Steeler Way of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. That's not a bad thing. But BA is singing for his supper next season. Something has to change. Getting Mendy more involved in the offense has to be part of that equation.

    Ray Rice is not a bad measuring stick for Mendy. Let's face it... Rice would get a lot more love here if he didn't play for one of the arch-enemies. OTOH, he also benefits from an offensive scheme that knows how to use his talent. Mendy should be so fortunate.[/quote:2b35jeqw]

    My opinion is if the RB is catching 78 passes, it is probably because the team has issues at the QB and WR positions.

    How do you know that people in the organization went to bat for BA to save his job? Do you have an inside tip or is it speculation? I think Mr. Rooney himself said that was not the case.

    Time will tell if they can get Mendehall more involved in the offense with Ben's ego. I believe the will lean on Ben when the going gets tough. They will also have to find a way to correct that problems with special teams and defense. IMO, the defense is the biggest area that needs to be addressed. They won't go very far with a defense that gives up game winning drives.

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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

    Mendenhall could have Rice numbers if all we had was Mason at WR. I don't think Rice's stats are impressive... that isn't balance, it's a recipe for a short career. If Mendenhall had 75 catches we would have torches and pitchforks screaming for BA's head for ignoring Wallace and Holmes.

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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mister Pittsburgh":1msovn5m
    only thing i like about their offense is ray rice & some of their linemen. i would trade mendenhall 4 rice in a heartbeat.
    Rice is nice... but isn't this his second year? People talk about Mendenhall like he is 28. The kid is all of 23 and has one season under his belt and he had 1000 yards on the ground and has good hands.

    I think he will have 1400 to 1600 next year barring injury. I think we run a ton of screens too with this new OL coach. I'm excited about Mend. Rice didn't impress me last night. He can burn but he wasn't breaking a lot of tackles last night. Outside of the screen he fumbled on...
    Ray Rice
    254 rushing attempts - 1,339 yards - 5.3 avg - 7TD
    78 receptions - 702 yards - 9.0 avg - 1TD
    2nd round pick - 55th overall

    Rashard Mendenhall
    242 rushing attempts - 1,108 yards - 4.6 avg - 7TD
    25 receptions - 261 yards - 10.4 avg - 1TD
    1st round pick - 23rd overall

    Rice would be a better fit for the Steelers offense that they are trying to run and is more explosive with the ball in his hands then Mendenhall is. Just my opinion. He had 2 more catches than Heath, 53 more catches than Mendenhall, and 39 more than Wallace. Add to it that he is just about the only weapon Baltimore has besides Derick Mason and I would guess it is a whole hell of a lot easier for D's to concentrate on shutting him down vs. Mendenhall yet he put up a lot better numbers than Mendenhall.

    Not saying Rashard won't eventually be a total asset to our offense, but at this point Rice is far superior.[/quote:1msovn5m]

    Rice is a Raven. Mendenhall is a Steeler. What's the point unless there is going to be a trade.

    Projecting performance if you switched them and assuming they would be similar is quite a reach.
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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    Mendenhall could have Rice numbers if all we had was Mason at WR. I don't think Rice's stats are impressive... that isn't balance, it's a recipe for a short career. If Mendenhall had 75 catches we would have torches and pitchforks screaming for BA's head for ignoring Wallace and Holmes.
    Not sure which games you were watching but an honest fan would agree that Rice>Mendenhall at this point. Rice had plenty of YAC in games I have seen, hits holes like a ton of bricks and to me, looks like a mini-Bettis. This is hate on Mendenhall, it's like on Rice.

    BTW, I think the "1,000 yd" yardstick is no longer relevant. I think half the teams in the league have a RB that makes that threshold. I think the new mark should be something like 1400 or 1500 yds given the season is now 16 games (and maybe more in the very near future).

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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz
    Mendenhall could have Rice numbers if all we had was Mason at WR. I don't think Rice's stats are impressive... that isn't balance, it's a recipe for a short career. If Mendenhall had 75 catches we would have torches and pitchforks screaming for BA's head for ignoring Wallace and Holmes.
    Not sure which games you were watching but an honest fan would agree that Rice>Mendenhall at this point. Rice had plenty of YAC in games I have seen, hits holes like a ton of bricks and to me, looks like a mini-Bettis. This is hate on Mendenhall, it's like on Rice.

    BTW, I think the "1,000 yd" yardstick is no longer relevant. I think half the teams in the league have a RB that makes that threshold. I think the new mark should be something like 1400 or 1500 yds given the season is now 16 games (and maybe more in the very near future).
    I think if we relied on Mend as much as the Ravens relied on Rice he would have similar numbers. Mend didn't play 16 games either and we all agree he needs more touches.

    Rice had the better year but I'm excited about Mendenhall and think next year most Rice fans will be wishing they had Mendenhall.

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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

    Ravens fans love Rice but the smart ones -there are some- hate that he is their entire offense.

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    Re: Be more like the Ravens?

    Quote Originally Posted by stlrz d
    Ravens fans love Rice but the smart ones -there are some- hate that he is their entire offense.
    yet some Steeler fans want the Ravens unbalanced production... but hate an unbalanced offense.

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