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    Re: Logan

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    Wouldn't the Steelers have loved to have another defensive lineman on the roster right now with Kirschke and Smith out? I think so.
    Luckily for us, we were able to get Sonny Harris back again (that defensive lineman that Carolina picked up), and he will be suiting up for us for the first time on Monday because of Kirschke's injury. It's all good.
    And, he hasn't been practicing with the Steelers to learn the defense, had there been a spot for him he would be ahead of the game. He's an emergency player right now.

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    Re: Logan

    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
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    Wouldn't the Steelers have loved to have another defensive lineman on the roster right now with Kirschke and Smith out? I think so.
    Luckily for us, we were able to get Sonny Harris back again (that defensive lineman that Carolina picked up), and he will be suiting up for us for the first time on Monday because of Kirschke's injury. It's all good.
    And, he hasn't been practicing with the Steelers to learn the defense, had there been a spot for him he would be ahead of the game. He's an emergency player right now.

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    He's been with us for all of the minicamps, training camp, all of the preseason games, and the last few weeks since Smith went down. We tried to keep him on our practice squad in the beginning of the season, but Carolina claimed him. I'm glad we have him back now, but the decision to keep Warren and Logan on the 53 man roster and expose Harris to the practice squad was the correct one. I'd rather have a reliable longsnapper and a dangerous return man than an 8th defensive lineman, who has moved up to the 6th defensive lineman because of injuries.

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    Re: Logan

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    Wouldn't the Steelers have loved to have another defensive lineman on the roster right now with Kirschke and Smith out? I think so.
    Luckily for us, we were able to get Sonny Harris back again (that defensive lineman that Carolina picked up), and he will be suiting up for us for the first time on Monday because of Kirschke's injury. It's all good.
    And, he hasn't been practicing with the Steelers to learn the defense, had there been a spot for him he would be ahead of the game. He's an emergency player right now.

    Pappy
    He's been with us for all of the minicamps, training camp, all of the preseason games, and the last few weeks since Smith went down. We tried to keep him on our practice squad in the beginning of the season, but Carolina claimed him. I'm glad we have him back now, but the decision to keep Warren and Logan on the 53 man roster and expose Harris to the practice squad was the correct one. I'd rather have a reliable longsnapper and a dangerous return man than an 8th defensive lineman, who has moved up to the 6th defensive lineman because of injuries.
    Harris was a UDFA or late round pick, he's not Ziggy Hood being drafted in the first round. Harris wasn't around long enough to grasp the defense and his responsibilities in that defense. Hood hasn't seen much playing time and he's the first round draft pick and he's been through all the same camps and practices as Harris.

    Why do you consider Logan dangerous? Because, he returned a few kicks against some players who are not in the NFL any longer? I just don't see what danger he brings, he hasn't done anything to warrant the other team to kick or punt away from him. He's actually given up a special teams touchdown by fighting for yards when securing the ball was the play.

    I'll take a punt returner who fields every punt flawlessly and gains zero or minimal yardage as opposed to a punt returner with potential to take it to the house. The long snapping thing is a horse of a different color, it isn't that difficult to learn to long snap. It may take years just like anything else, but a marginal positional player can make himself more attractive by being able to perform this skill and save a team a roster spot.

    Apparently, I'm the only one that believes these specialists are a waste of roster space. Everyone else seems to think it's a good idea to keep these types of guys around. Knowing Mike Tomlin's love for versatile players, I'm surprised that he keeps specialists on his team.

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    2.46) Stephon Tuitt - DE
    3.97) Dri Archer - RB
    4.118 ) Martavis Bryant - WR
    5.157) Shaquille Richardson - CB
    6.173) Wesley Johnson - OT
    6.192) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB
    7.215) Daniel McCullers - DT
    7.230) Rob Blanchflower - TE

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    Re: Logan

    Field position is important. Even if your returner doesn't break one for a TD, just getting an extra 5 yards per punt return or an extra 10 yards on a kick return really adds up over the course of a game. Logan may not be Devin Hester in his prime as a return man right now, but he is by far the best we have had since Randle El signed with Washington. Need I remind you of Ricardo Colclough and Hank Poteat trying to return punts or Najeh Davenport and Gary Russell trying to return kicks?

    Logan does have to be only a return specialist; he could eventually contribute on offense occasionally as well, utilizing his shiftiness on pitchouts or bubble screens like Darren Sproles or Leon Washington. If you recall, Hester was a CB in college, but the Bears drafted him as a returner. But they eventually saw enough skill when he had the ball in his hands that they developed him into a starting WR. Not that I see "full-time starting WR" capability in Logan's future, necessarily, but he can potentially contribute in other roles besides on returns (for example he is already playing gunner on punt coverage teams as well right now).

    If we had a position player who could also long-snap, that would be great. But those are few and far-between. A few years ago, Zak DeOssie came out, and he was a LB prospect who could also long-snap. I was interested in him as a draft possibility, but his Dad's old team in New York ended up taking him.

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