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    Re: Logan

    Quote Originally Posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
    I have always been one who likes the "personal protector" for the PR guy. Whether it is doing your homework and figuring out which gunner you can single up on or pulling a guy with his hand on the ground to give the PR man a TE/FB to take first man free...I like this concept. You don't see it much in this league anymore. Gunners usually get free anyway and a player standing in front of the returner gives him a quick option and an obstacle for another free player. You don't see it much because communication is difficult if you need to run a "fire" or "peter" call. (That's when the ball is short and you need to clear your teammates away from it.) Good coaching could limit the risk but a PR for a big play or TD really can change a game.

    The special teams really is our weak area right now. I would love to see them try this to help the PR. Logan & Wallace deep should give the ST coach for the opposition some extra work during the week.

    Cover teams needs help. My first decision would be to make Ratliff inactive gameday if all the CBs are healthy. Burnett is far more aggressive on special teams. Give Lewis a shot. There is nobody who could tell me that Burnett & Lewis active to play special teams wouldn't be a better move than having Ratliff active to play nickel & special teams. I don't think we would give anything up in the secondary with Ratliff inactive. Our special teams need help and I believe Lewis & Burnett active are the answer. We should get a taste in Denver. I believe Clark will be inactive and in Pittsburgh & we should see Burnett & Lewis actice for the game. Burnett looked good last week.

    The other thing I would do is beat Reed sensless. Reed...When you are the last guy standing between a KR & the goaline...You have the Steelers defense on your side...You mug the returner like you want him to have your children and hold on to his facemask. Take the penalty...Don't try to hurt the guy...Get your defense on the field and make them earn it. That should have been taught to you in pee-wee...Kicker. I guess you only think you are a "tough guy" off the field. Weak attempt Reed...Weak!
    I agree with the idea of having both Lewis and Burnett active instead of Ratliff and Burnett active. Granted, for the Broncos game, they will likely have Lewis, Burnett, and Ratliff active since Clark will likely be in Pittsburgh instead of Denver (with Troy, Carter, and Mundy as your 3 safeties in that game, it is important to have both Townsend and Ratliff with some safety experience available in case we get a rash of injuries at safety in that game). But after the Denver game, I agree that we will get more special teams contributions from Lewis and Burnett, and I don't think either of them could be as bad in the regular defense as Ratliff has looked out there at times.


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    I'm a fan of the personal protector too.

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    I think judging return guys can be tricky. Some guys get a return or 2 for TDs early and some guys get them late. I think its a better judge to throw out the top 2 and maybe the bottom 2 and see who does more on a regular basis. A guy busting one against a crap team can skew his average alot when in reality he's not as good as another guy. Not sure what this would look like for Mr. Logan, but I think he's an asset.
    For Pap, who do you think we need that could replace Logan on the squad. For instance, who on the practice squad would get more than 5-8 plays a game?
    In reverse of your thought, I'd like to keep Logan returning and as he gets more familar, he'll get better hopefully, but also I think mixing him in on the offense. He is small and invisible in the backfield. He could give Sproles like benefits if given some looks. He's on the roster, might as well get more value out of his quickness. Maybe 2 offensive touches per game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlrz d
    I'm a fan of the personal protector too.
    Personally, I'm a fan of cat woman and wishes she were my personal protector.

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    Wonder how Logan would do on that old "flip out/pitch out" play we used to run to Fred McAfee with such success?

    Man I loved that play and will continue to bring it up until it finds it's way back in the play book!

    Think about it...Mendy and Logan in the same backfield...fake the hand off to Mendy one way and pitch it out to Logan the other way. *drooling*

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon
    Putting Logan on the PS would be my suggestion. I didn't like keeping a player exclusively to return kicks and punts when the Steelers have playmakers on their team that can do the job. If you get one or two returns for TDs during a year it's been a pretty good year. I'd rather have an every down player available rather than Logan.

    He seems to be luxury rather than a necessity. I just haven't seen enough ROI for keeping him on the active roster, just my opinion.

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    Among kick returners with double-digit returns, Logan's average of 26.5 yards is 8th in the league. Among punt returners with double digit returns, Logan's average of 7.5 yards is 10th in the league. After having a bottom of the barrel return game, we are now above average, which more than justifies his roster spot. And judging by the fact that he has 2 kick returns over 40 yards, he appears to be on the verge of breaking one.

    If you tried to move him to the practice squad, he'd be snatched up, because there are plenty of teams hungry for a potentially explosive young returner (remember when we were so desperate that we actually traded a future draft picks...which we never seem to do...for a washed-up Allen Rossum?). Who would you suggest elevating from the practice squad that would contribute more than Logan does? Bad idea, man.
    Yea, moving him to PS now is a bad idea. The worse idea was taking up a roster spot with him initially. I'd rather have a project lineman, linebacker, CB, safety, RB, or TE in place of a guy who plays 5 or 6 plays a game. I hate having a long snapper taking up a spot. Teach the third TE how to long snap and be done with it and keep an every down player. If the third TE gets hurt then you go and grab a long snapper that isn't employed by the NFL. It's a waste of a spot to me. The Steelers were unprepared for the LS to get hurt last year (just like every other team in the NFL).

    The game is too violent and injuries accrue over the course of a year. The team with the most healthy bodies will do well. Logan doesn't bring anything to the table that Mendenhall, Parker and Moore can't do from an offensive standpoint and Holmes and Burnett can handle with KOs and punts. But, but, but, Holmes is our starting WR, so what, he's a football player. Worry about replacing him once he's hurt.

    It's a long haul and having depth is more important than having a guy that "might" break a big one, IMHO. He was returning KOs and punts against guys who are now unemployed by the NFL and that's why he looked good.

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    I think Logan has done a very nice job so far. He hasn't broken a return yet, but he seems to always present the threat of doing so. Also, he consistently gives the Steelers good field position, especially on KOs.

    I like the idea of putting Wallace deep with Logan here and there, mostly because I think that they could execute the fake reverse on the KO quite well, given the respect that Wallace commands.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Logan used for a WR screen or something similar. I remember a few weeks ago, he got a few snaps at WR, and I seem to remember the defense screaming "screen" and watching him, with the Steelers running another play. He could be effective on a screen, or just as effective as a diversion. Maybe the Steelers will implement some of this during the bye.

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    However, Wallace now has serious value and importance to us as our #3 receiver and a legitimate/potent deep threat therefore his risk of injury on special teams is more significant. But I agree with the trio of ideas; that Wallace could spark some healthy competition with Logan, the image of the 2 of them lined up for ko's is exciting and I too would like to see Arians use his imagination and incorporate Logan into the offensive somehow, someway. At the very least it would draw some defenders attention and throw them something not seen on film that could distract them, even if Logan didn't touch the ball.

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    I would like to see Logan get a couple of touches or plays on O a game. I sure it could be incorporated into the game plan. Not between the tackles...But a reverse or screen. I think I saw him on only 2 plays of offense all year. He has one more play than Legursky at FB. I guess that is something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggiebones
    I think judging return guys can be tricky. Some guys get a return or 2 for TDs early and some guys get them late. I think its a better judge to throw out the top 2 and maybe the bottom 2 and see who does more on a regular basis. A guy busting one against a crap team can skew his average alot when in reality he's not as good as another guy. Not sure what this would look like for Mr. Logan, but I think he's an asset.
    For Pap, who do you think we need that could replace Logan on the squad. For instance, who on the practice squad would get more than 5-8 plays a game?
    In reverse of your thought, I'd like to keep Logan returning and as he gets more familar, he'll get better hopefully, but also I think mixing him in on the offense. He is small and invisible in the backfield. He could give Sproles like benefits if given some looks. He's on the roster, might as well get more value out of his quickness. Maybe 2 offensive touches per game.
    Probably nobody and since he's on the active roster moving him down to PS now would be of no benefit. I'm not a fan of specialty players taking roster spots. I know all the teams do it and it's the norm; I just don't like it. The season is long and arduous and having bodies that can play every down is a better option, IMO.

    Using Logan in the offense is a waste of time, IMO, the Steelers have players (Mendenhall, Parker, Moore, Holmes, Wallace) that can do anything he can add to the offense, only better. I don't see how using Logan makes the offense better than using the guys listed.

    I'm still surprised that no enterprising soccer player has ever taken the time to learn how to punt a football. I wonder how much a kicker that can kickoff, punt and kick field goals would be worth in the NFL? One player doing two jobs and freeing a roster spot.

    How about a backup TE and long snapper? I just don't see the infatuation with the specialist or maybe, I'm just too obtuse to see the obvious.

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