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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher

    I couldn't disagree more. Cook suggests that Redman supporters think he is the second coming of Adrian Peterson. Please. Maybe the Bears' Adrian Peterson, but not the Vikings' Adrian Peterson. Does he really think Steeler fans are that stupid? Give us some credit here, man.

    The fact of that matter is that if Redman was active, he would have one specific job and one specific job only. In short yardage and goal line situations, he would have to line up behind FB D.J. Johnson in the I-formation, and pound the rock for a yard or two to get the first down or touchdown. That's it.

    It's a very specialized gig. In order to do it, he does not need to know the whole offense and understanding all of the assignments. He does not have to pick up blitzes and make the right blocks so quarterback Ben Roethlisberger doesn't get knocked into next week. He doesn't have to run the right pass routes so Roethlisberger doesn't throw silly interceptions. They have Parker, Mendenhall, and Moore to handle all of those things. Redman would only need to be on the field in short yardage situations and carry the ball between the tackles. Perhaps occassionally, they use him as a decoy in short yardage and run a play action pass, in which case Redman's only responsibility would be to pretend that he was carrying the ball between the tackles. I think he could handle that.

    It's not tough. This guy can do it. He showed that he could against our defense in Latrobe (against both 3rd teamers as well as 1st teamers). In preseason games, he scored TD's against Arizona's 3rd teamers and Carolina's 1st teamers, breaking multiple tackles from actual NFL players (not current UPS drivers) on the way to paydirt.

    We kept a guy on the team last year solely for short yardage running last year. His name was Gary Russell. No one expected him to become the next Adrian Peterson, but he did score the first TD in the Super Bowl. If those 7 points we scored there were only 3 because we were not able to punch it in, Santonio's TD catch at the end of the game would have only tied the score instead of won it. Being able to run the ball in short yardage situations is vitally important.

    We have a specialists for a variety of jobs (just return kicks, just long snap, etc.) so why not have a specialist just to run short yardage? I think he'd be better at the job that we ask him to do as opposed to having Frank the Tank trying to learn how to convert to a fullback and whiffing on half his blocks. Summers can learn to be a FB on the practice squad while Johnson takes over the reins at blocking FB with Redman behind him in short yardage situations.

    I wish the PPG would publish this rebuttal to Cook's article.

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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    Quote Originally Posted by stlrz d
    Good points RB but what happens when Redman is in the game and the D forces an audible and Redman doesn't know his assignment?

    That's why I agree with what I quoted from the article.
    not only that but who do you cut? you got to move someone from the active roster to the ps. and redman isn't a good special teams player. those of you that want to compare him to russell have to remember that russell also returned kicks, something redman wont be doing. Tomlin will never bring a guy up who has such a limited role. and he shouldn't.
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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh
    I don't recall seeing a single person saying that Redman should be our feature back. If there are those people, they deserve to be ripped. I do however think that either Tank or Redman should be given a shot at short yardage back. You know, the position that was handed to perrenial stud Gary Russell last year. Remember him Ron Cook? Nice article though.....
    that's what i was thinking the whole time i was reading that article...
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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis
    Quote Originally Posted by stlrz d
    Good points RB but what happens when Redman is in the game and the D forces an audible and Redman doesn't know his assignment?

    That's why I agree with what I quoted from the article.
    not only that but who do you cut? you got to move someone from the active roster to the ps. and redman isn't a good special teams player. those of you that want to compare him to russell have to remember that russell also returned kicks, something redman wont be doing. Tomlin will never bring a guy up who has such a limited role. and he shouldn't.
    Exactly. You don't sign someone from the practice squad to carry the ball 5 times per game and in the process cut someone from your 53. One of the reasons that Redman is on the practice squad is because at no time did he show he could contribute on special teams. If he had showed he could be an effective gunner or kick off returner he likely would have had a shot at the 53. Another reasoin is likely he showed he could not block so that eliminates the possibility he could be a FB. So he is where he belongs and where he can get better.
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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo
    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis
    Quote Originally Posted by stlrz d
    Good points RB but what happens when Redman is in the game and the D forces an audible and Redman doesn't know his assignment?

    That's why I agree with what I quoted from the article.
    not only that but who do you cut? you got to move someone from the active roster to the ps. and redman isn't a good special teams player. those of you that want to compare him to russell have to remember that russell also returned kicks, something redman wont be doing. Tomlin will never bring a guy up who has such a limited role. and he shouldn't.
    Exactly. You don't sign someone from the practice squad to carry the ball 5 times per game and in the process cut someone from your 53. One of the reasons that Redman is on the practice squad is because at no time did he show he could contribute on special teams. If he had showed he could be an effective gunner or kick off returner he likely would have had a shot at the 53. Another reasoin is likely he showed he could not block so that eliminates the possibility he could be a FB. So he is where he belongs and where he can get better.
    Either send Frank the Tank to the PS to learn how to be a real FB in the NFL in practice and not in real game situations, or have him tote the rock as our RB in short yardage instead of as a FB with a 205lb RB following him. If he can't do either of those effectively, then bring Redman up from the PS to tote the rock in short yardage with huge TE David Johnson as the plow blade.
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    nope not 1 person called for him to be the feature back. I called for him to be the guy who picks up a half yard just like RUSSELL did last year. WHere is RUSSELL NOW??

    WOW this guy needed something to write huh??? LOL

    I still say CALL UP REDMAN NOW!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it was my posting that started all of this...hehe...

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    No one is suggesting Redman should be the full-time back, but it is ridiculous to suggest that after the way this team has struggled with picking up short-yardage that we should not use all available options to try and solve the problem. Redman showed an ability in camp and in the preseason to get tough yards, I say bring him in and let him try.

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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    I think an even better solution than bringing up Redman would be to sign a real life blocking FB to take Summers place on the roster (and giving Justin Vincent's spot on the P.S. to Tank so he could learn how to play FB in practice rather than failing at it in games). But since Arians gave his "I will never have a real FB" mumbo jumbo proclamation (how stupid), the next best option in my mind would be to replace Tank with Redman, and let Redman run behind Johnson in short yardage situations.

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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    Ford, you are pretty offbase with your comments.
    At least for most of the intelligent Redman supporters.
    Most want him for short yardage. Who scored the short yardage TD last season in the Super Bowl? Parker cannot score in close and he doesn't pick up 3 and 1. He has his talents for sure. Mendenhall is also talented and may be able to get those short yardage runs in time. Maybe he is the answer we can use. But we have seen what Redman can do in short yardage against first string Ds, both ours and others in the preseason. Its not a full body of work, but I think like Logan, Sepulveda, etc, he can give us a boost in the VERY important short yardage department. If we could keep 54 guys, I bet he would be there.
    Most here that want Redman would change him and Summers. Summers is also clearly not ready. TE Johnson could handle the limited lead blocking and stay on his feet while doing it. The switch most would like:

    Current: Summers leading for RB X (Mendi or Parker) ; Redman on PS
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    Future: TE Johnson leading for Redman ; Summers on PS

    Summers would not be a loss at all and Redman could be a huge gain.
    Plus, you get him some PT in the limelight and maybe he is the no.2 back next year if Parker is gone.
    Most see no downside to Summers disappearing, so that makes this move even easier to make.

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    Re: Redman isn't solution for Steelers' offense

    aggie - fordfixer posted the article...he didn't write it.

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