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    Peppers a Patsie ?,......

    Patriots appear primed to make a deal with Panthers for Peppers
    Vic Carucci By Vic Carucci | NFL.com
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    The trade that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots this offseason.

    The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.


    According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.

    Peppers, on whom the Panthers have placed a franchise tag that assures him of a one-year contract worth $16.68 million, would be converted to outside linebacker in New England's 3-4 defense.

    The Patriots already were looking ahead to the possibility of acquiring Peppers when they shipped Cassel and Vrabel to Kansas City, NFL sources say, because they wanted to clear the salary-cap space necessary to sign Peppers to a new contract that would put him among the higher-paid defensive players in the league. After signing Cassel to a one-year, franchise-tag tender contract worth $14.65 million, New England had nearly $30 million in cap money devoted to two quarterbacks (including $14.62 million for Tom Brady).

    Once the Patriots were convinced that Brady would be fully recovered from the season-ending knee injury he suffered last year, they were comfortable with trading his replacement to the Chiefs and putting the wheels in motion to bolster a defense that has gotten particularly old at linebacker. Vrabel and fellow linebacker Tedy Bruschi are well into the twilight of their respective careers.

    NFL sources say the Panthers would welcome the chance to unload Peppers for a second-round draft pick, even though it would be well below his market value, because it would be less costly than signing a first-rounder. The Panthers already have made some belt-tightening financial moves within their front office.

    This, in part, could help answer the lingering question of why the Patriots were willing to take only a second-round pick for Cassel and Vrabel rather than possibly go for a higher choice as part of a three-way deal involving the Denver Broncos, who were ready to give up Jay Cutler for Cassel. Without an additional second-round pick, the Patriots might not be able to pursue Peppers.

    League sources also point out that the Panthers don't have a first-round choice after trading it to the Philadelphia Eagles and aren't scheduled to draft until 59th overall (near the bottom of the second round). The 34th spot would give Carolina the second pick of the second round and a chance to land a player with a first-round rating who was pushed down to that spot for whatever reason.

    Also, according to NFL sources, there is a third phase to the Patriots' offseason strategy. They would like to further beef up their linebacking corps by adding an inside linebacker in the draft. They are known to believe that USC's Rey Maualuga would be a great fit for their scheme, especially when paired with Jerod Mayo, their 2008 first-round pick who was the NFL's top defensive rookie. However, some early projections suggest it might be a long shot for Maualuga to be available for the Patriots with the 23rd overall pick.

    Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for making excellent decisions when it comes to acquiring players, but at least one NFL player-personnel evaluator questions whether Peppers would be a good fit in New England.

    "This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn't happy with his contract," said the player personnel source, who requested anonymity. "He's also very long (in the torso), which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can't drop into coverage. He's very stiff.

    "But one of the things (the Patriots) are looking at is the fact that, in passing situations, they can have Peppers up front with (Richard) Seymour and (Jarvis) Green. That makes it easier for them to take (nose tackle Vince) Wilfork out of the game in (passing situations) and just play him on running downs."
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    Re: Peppers a Patsie ?,......

    I suggested this as a likely scenario on the very day when Cassel and Vrabel were traded, giving them a third pick in round 2 and about $15 million more in cap room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    I suggested this as a likely scenario on the very day when Cassel and Vrabel were traded, giving them a third pick in round 2 and about $15 million more in cap room.
    Good call Ruthless. I kind of thought that was where he (Peppers) was hinting towards playing when he began speaking of wanting to play in a 3-4. Because outside of us, the Rats and the Patsies, whom could he really have been referring to ?

    And as much as i hate to say it,..it looks like it will be a really good deal for them (Patsies) all things considered. Damn it. (Hopefully the Football Gods do not allow them to land Rey as well ?!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCzar76
    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    I suggested this as a likely scenario on the very day when Cassel and Vrabel were traded, giving them a third pick in round 2 and about $15 million more in cap room.
    Good call Ruthless. I kind of thought that was where he (Peppers) was hinting towards playing when he began speaking of wanting to play in a 3-4. Because outside of us, the Rats and the Patsies, whom could he really have been referring to ?

    And as much as i hate to say it,..it looks like it will be a really good deal for them (Patsies) all things considered. Damn it. (Hopefully the Football Gods do not allow them to land Rey as well ?!)
    I've been thinking that they may go after a Larry English type in the first, but if they get Peppers, going with a man in the middle like Maualuga is not out of the realm of possibility. San Diego could nab Rey as their Junior Seau 2.0, though (which means he will end up in New England eventually anyway, like Harrison and Seau before him).

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    Re: Peppers a Patsie ?,......

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCzar76
    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    I suggested this as a likely scenario on the very day when Cassel and Vrabel were traded, giving them a third pick in round 2 and about $15 million more in cap room.
    Good call Ruthless. I kind of thought that was where he (Peppers) was hinting towards playing when he began speaking of wanting to play in a 3-4. Because outside of us, the Rats and the Patsies, whom could he really have been referring to ?

    And as much as i hate to say it,..it looks like it will be a really good deal for them (Patsies) all things considered. Damn it. (Hopefully the Football Gods do not allow them to land Rey as well ?!)
    I've been thinking that they may go after a Larry English type in the first, but if they get Peppers, going with a man in the middle like Maualuga is not out of the realm of possibility. San Diego could nab Rey as their Junior Seau 2.0, though (which means he will end up in New England eventually anyway, like Harrison and Seau before him).
    I'm thinking the same thing in terms of Rey. I was hoping that he'd fall into trade up range for us because Diego would possibly select Moreno. (As even though they signed LT his best days are behind him and he can't be counted on in their biggest games IMO)

    Perhaps they (Patsies) would go with the Delmas kid as Harrison's replacement ? But then again that may sound like a Pioli move and their new GM indeed might select Rey if he's there.

    Either way,..it looks as though they are attempting to load up for a run with us in mind,...begining with the Fred "Steeler Killer" Taylor signing. And i hope that we don't rest on our laurels come April,....
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    Re: Peppers a Patsie ?,......

    Well, since we finished 1st in our division and they finished second, we don't face each other in the regular season. We get the Dolphins while Baltimore and New England face off (we can only hope for a bloodbath )

    Still if they did trade for Peppers and drafted Maualuga, their front 7 would be incredible (well, not as good as ours, of course, but close! )

    Julius Peppers-Jerod Mayo-Rey Maualuga-Adalius Thomas
    Ty Warren-Vince Wilfork-Richard Seymour

    (and don't forget they'd still have Tedy Bruschi as a veteran option to go along with those young-un inside backers)

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    Re: Peppers a Patsie ?,......

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Well, since we finished 1st in our division and they finished second, we don't face each other in the regular season. We get the Dolphins while Baltimore and New England face off (we can only hope for a bloodbath )

    Still if they did trade for Peppers and drafted Maualuga, their front 7 would be incredible (well, not as good as ours, of course, but close! )

    Julius Peppers-Jerod Mayo-Rey Maualuga-Adalius Thomas
    Ty Warren-Vince Wilfork-Richard Seymour

    (and don't forget they'd still have Tedy Bruschi as a veteran option to go along with those young-un inside backers)
    Oh,.. i'm aware that we will not meet up in the regular season Ruthless,...i was speaking of the post season. And please believe that i'm with you in terms of hoping that they "go to War" with the Rats.

    But then again,.no,.....i want them healthy, rested and more or less at their very best,..so that when they fall,...there can be no excuses. Basically,...

    "The immortal Gods at times grant favor and long impunity to those that they ultimately plan to punish,...so that the severity of such punishment should smart all the more"


    Or was that "over the top"?,....
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    Re: Peppers a Patsie ?,......

    No. This is "Over The Top"


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    Re: Peppers a Patsie ?,......

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    No. This is "Over The Top"

    That's right ladies and Gentleman,....a Stallone vs Villainy reference when discussing the Steelers and Pats.
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