Originally Posted by
BigBen2112
Simply to further illustrate my point we'll go back in time a little (2 years since we cant judge this year or last year really)
2006:
3.83- Anthony Smith
3.95- Willie Reid
4.133- Orien Harris
5.164- Omar Jacobs
5.167- Charles Davis
Instead we could have selected:
3rd round: Jahri Evans- starting G
Domata Peko- starting NT
Elivs Dumervill- tweener
Ray Edwards- tweener
Rob Sims- starting G
--I contend that all of the above are better than players we have currently that those positions (except possibly the tweeners b/c it would depend on where they played in our system). Evans is better than any guard or tackle that we have and Sims is easily better than any guard we have. And we could have had any TWO of those above players.
4th round: Kyle Williams- DT
Parys Haralson- DL
Anthony Montgomery- DL
MARK ANDERSON- DL
Sorry but our DL could be much more dynamic than it is, even if many will argue that we're fine since we generate our pressure via blitz (which doesnt always work and leaves us exposed alot and since our DL fails to open up holes for our LBs we are exposed more than we should be) and our LBs.
5th round: Keith Ellison- LB
Johnny Jolly- DT
Charlie Johnson- OT
Could have had two of them as well as some other players.
Yes I know hindsight is 20/20, but in this business that is not enough.
2005:
3.93-Trai Essex
4.131-Fred Gibson
5.166-Rian Wallace
Instead:
3rd round: Nick Kaczur
Marion Barber--gotta throw in Barber and Jacobs just b/c they are so damn good
Brandon Jacobs
4th round: Chris Canty
Trent Cole
5th round: Geoff Hangartner
Jovan Haye
2004: People are going to get on me and say "WE GOT BEN" Yes we did. We got LUCKY that a couple other teams were really stupid and did some interesting things and Ben FELL into our laps. Good for us...the rest of the draft? Sucked!
2.38 Colclough...yeah!
3.75 Starks...yeah transition all the way to being traded YEAH!
5.145 Adibi...damn good one he was
6.177 Lacy
6.194 Kranchick
6.197 Caylor
GOD this draft sucked.
Instead:
Bob Sanders
Justin Smiley
Tank Johnson
Madieu Williams
Antwan Odom
Randy Starks
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Bernard Berrian
Sean Locklear
Reggie Torbor
Demorrio Williams
Alex Stepanovich
Robert Geathers
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Michael Turner
DJ Hackett
Rex Hadnot
Shane Olivea
And the list goes on.
Lets say we only selected ONE player from each draft better than we did, and we wont even choose the best player out of the above:
2004: Sean Locklear
2005: Trent Cole
2006: Jahari Evans
That's only changing THREE players, not even the best available and actually BUILDING around the lines. And we'd have:
OL: Smith-Evans-???-Colon-Locklear
DL: Smith-BigSnack-Trent Cole
Our team would look MUCH better even with the above combination...and I am not going to go back any further and analyze things any longer, but you can see my point.
Its going to take a COUPLE drafts and several years to get out of this hole that we're in in terms of Line problems...and we still have to dedicate that time to build them, since we arent going to do it via FA
You can play the "look at the sucky day two picks" game with any team in the league. Look at the day two picks of, let's say, the New England Patriots and the mighty Scott Pioli over that same 3 year span. Other than the kicker they got in round 4 in '06, there is not another player taken on day two of these three drafts that is a regular contributor to their team. They hit on all three of their first round picks (Wilfork, Mankins, Maroney), plus 3 other current starters (Watson, Kaczur, Hobbs). By comparison, we hit on all three of our first round picks (Roethlisberger, Miller, Holmes), plus 2 other current starters (Colon and Kemoeatu) plus two other top regular contributors with some starting experience over the past few years (McFadden and Starks). Fire Pioli!!!
2006 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
3 86 David Thomas TE Texas
4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa
4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis
5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California
6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida
6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame
6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska
7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor
2005 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn
2004 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (Fla.)
1 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
3 95 Guss Scott SAF Florida
4 113 Dexter Reid SAF North Carolina
4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
7 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois
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