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    Re: Max Starks Speculation - Per PFT

    Quote Originally Posted by Flasteel
    Anyway, as far as Starks, I've been a big supporter since we drafted him out of Gainesville and he has been nothing short of a disappointment this training camp. By all accounts he busted his ass in the offseason and reported in tremendous shape, but he has sucked some major schlong in his attempt to regain the starting RT job. In all fairness, I don't think Zierlein ever intended for there to be a competition at the spot and Max has received almost no playing time there. But if he went out and gave his best effort in camp, I don't see anyway that Colon could hold him off based on the shape he's in. That tells me that Starks simply isn't giving it his best effort. That's not the same as tanking it on purpose, which is some pretty inflammtory shit for Florio to state, but I definitely agree that Starks is not sufficiently motivated.

    If he wants to go out there and half-step it when his tenure with the team and a potentially huge pay-day is on the line, then I have little use for the guy and am very disappointed. That said, I don't know what's going on with him or in practice and it is a long season, so I'm willing to reserve judgment. Hopefully whatever five we field this season is an improvement over last year and that's all I really care about.
    Some good stuff, Flas!

    I don't know if it is the coaching or the fact that Max Sucks just doesn't get it. But, saying that Max Sucks is "not sufficiently motivated" may be the understatement of the year.

    And that's why I feel that if this worthless twerp can't get it together and win a starting job, then he needs to get launched. If he is making $6.9M and sitting on the bench and someone like Stapleton ends up getting launched to justify having Sucks around, I will be irate. That should also go for the rest of the Steeler Universe. Why should he be kept just to placate a lousy business decision by the FO if he won't start? I'd rather have someone around who tries hard and has more pride than talent than someone who is just collecting pay and wasting a roster spot.

    When I think that the Steelers could have kept Faneca for a little more than Max Sucks under the same terms, that just makes me ill. At least Faneca can play and he would have been a pro about it if he knew the Steelers were just going to let him walk in the end. Max Sucks doesn't even have enough pride to be a quality NFL player and he knows the Steelers will let him walk at the end of the season at the latest. The Steelers should just swallow their pride and their contract and do this pile of scrap a favor and dump him now.
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    Re: Max Starks Speculation - Per PFT

    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyehoppy
    Quote Originally Posted by Flasteel
    Anyway, as far as Starks, I've been a big supporter since we drafted him out of Gainesville and he has been nothing short of a disappointment this training camp. By all accounts he busted his ass in the offseason and reported in tremendous shape, but he has sucked some major schlong in his attempt to regain the starting RT job. In all fairness, I don't think Zierlein ever intended for there to be a competition at the spot and Max has received almost no playing time there. But if he went out and gave his best effort in camp, I don't see anyway that Colon could hold him off based on the shape he's in. That tells me that Starks simply isn't giving it his best effort. That's not the same as tanking it on purpose, which is some pretty inflammtory shit for Florio to state, but I definitely agree that Starks is not sufficiently motivated.

    If he wants to go out there and half-step it when his tenure with the team and a potentially huge pay-day is on the line, then I have little use for the guy and am very disappointed. That said, I don't know what's going on with him or in practice and it is a long season, so I'm willing to reserve judgment. Hopefully whatever five we field this season is an improvement over last year and that's all I really care about.
    Some good stuff, Flas!

    I don't know if it is the coaching or the fact that Max Sucks just doesn't get it. But, saying that Max Sucks is "not sufficiently motivated" may be the understatement of the year.

    And that's why I feel that if this worthless twerp can't get it together and win a starting job, then he needs to get launched. If he is making $6.9M and sitting on the bench and someone like Stapleton ends up getting launched to justify having Sucks around, I will be irate. That should also go for the rest of the Steeler Universe. Why should he be kept just to placate a lousy business decision by the FO if he won't start? I'd rather have someone around who tries hard and has more pride than talent than someone who is just collecting pay and wasting a roster spot.

    When I think that the Steelers could have kept Faneca for a little more than Max Sucks under the same terms, that just makes me ill. At least Faneca can play and he would have been a pro about it if he knew the Steelers were just going to let him walk in the end. Max Sucks doesn't even have enough pride to be a quality NFL player and he knows the Steelers will let him walk at the end of the season at the latest. The Steelers should just swallow their pride and their contract and do this pile of scrap a favor and dump him now.
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    Despite the fact that I was dumbfounded by the inability to strike a long-term deal, I still maintained that the tag on Starks was a great business move. He was either going to be a future starter for this team or at the very least was a good insurance policy if Marvel went down again. When you have a team that is championship-ready, $6.9M is a small price to pay to make sure you don't get derailed by an injury to one of your tackles.

    My reasoning for all of that was because of the shape Starks was getting himself in (on top of doing a really good job of that following his Twinkie and Ho-Ho conditioning program of the 2006 off-season) and I thought he'd show his mettle. The more this camp goes on, the more it seems I was wrong, but like I said it is a long season, so ultimate judgment has to be reserved.

    As far as Faneca...screw that guy. His incessant complaining was a divisive force in our locker room in my opinion and the statements he made about the team made it real easy for me to forget all of the All-Pro play he has provided to us. The Jets overpaid for him big-time and I'm glad we stuck to our guns. Franchising him would have probably sent the guy into a tizzy, knowing that it would be one more year before he got a "fair market" offer in free agency. I don't worry about the money from a cap stand point because aside from a one-year franchise offer to Faneca, there is nowhere I can see it cost us in terms of another free agent acquisition or in future cap relief on Ben's contract.

    Starks needs to pick it up or he's going to not only get a lot of splinters in his ass this year, but he's going to play himself out of the market as well.



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    Re: Max Starks Speculation - Per PFT

    Adding to what Akron said...I don't buy Max tanking it either. I just don't see the leaders of the team accepting it or letting it continue. For example, look at situations where guys have failed at the conditioning runs...Stephens & Hampton. In both cases a veteran leader ran with them & egged them on - with Stephens I think it was Lloyd & with Casey it was Ben. Regardless - you just don't do it to guys you know & have battled with.

    Besides...what good does this do Max? Word would get out about if he was tanking & he would find the market very lukewarm. Doubt it?...Just look at the lineman Olivea's situation. He was dumped unceremoniously by the Chargers, lots people expected him to be hot commodity (including some Steeler fans), but he just languished waiting for someone to pick him up. When he finally does, then you find out that he had issues that weren't know by the public at large...including most of the media.

    And as far as Alan was concerned - I'm not sure he would've been too pleased if the team slapped him with the franchise tag. He was already upset about the contract & the perceived slights from management, plus it's been made clear that he wasn't keen on listening to Zierline. So in the end I'm not sure that situation would've been any better really.
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    Re: Max Starks Speculation - Per PFT

    I love PFT. I think its funny how everyone here allows the Steelers' bias to show hate for PFT. Hes right more often then not and he just writes what he hears. Someone says something bad about the Steelers true or not everyone here automatically hates it.
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