MSM - you know full well what Ike meant by "when given a chance". When FWP took over for Bettis he was used on the goal line. In '07 that wasn't the case. The Steelers threw an awful lot in the RZ and as a result Ben had 32 TD passes.
MSM - you know full well what Ike meant by "when given a chance". When FWP took over for Bettis he was used on the goal line. In '07 that wasn't the case. The Steelers threw an awful lot in the RZ and as a result Ben had 32 TD passes.
I concur. The bottom line is this. It does not matter how they score or who scores, as long as they score who cares? Scoring opportunites in the red zone are usually dictated by the plays the coaches call.Originally Posted by stlrz d
In many instances, statistics do not reveal the entire story and in most cases cloud judgement to make critical decisions.
Case in point....a good friend of mine goes by the name of Big Greg and presently works for the NFL. He is an avid Steeler Fan.
We both enjoy the drafting of college talent. We both were very disappointed when the Steelers did not make an effort to draft Richard Seymore.
It was well know in most NFL circles that Coach Cowher thought Phillip Rivers was the best QB in the draft. Coach Cowher still wanted to go LB in the first round. The growing thought in the NFL was more emphasis on offensive game planning and talent.
Big Greg thought Rivers was the best QB in the draft also. Old Chem was convinced that Ben Roethlisberger was by far the best QB in the draft. I convinced many people of this, except Coach Marty. My thinking was based not on stats but sheer determination to compete and toughness. Ben Roethlisberger is the most competitive man on this team. Many of the experts thought he could never transition to under center and did not interview well.
They were totally wrong and forgot to talk to the parents who knew Ben and his competitive nature.
My final argument in drafting Big Ben was the fact he was "BIG". No matter what the offensive game plan was going to be he could take a hit and not have happy feet in the pocket. The convincing argument for the Rooneys was "ROI". He was money in the bank.
Their is a difference between goaline and Redzone. I'm sure you know that.
Parker had only 13 less carries in 2007, inside the Redzone. He had over 50 attempts
rushing the ball inside the redzone.
[quote=Mr Smartmonies]Their is a difference between goaline and Redzone. I'm sure you know that.
Parker had only 13 less carries in 2007, inside the Redzone. He had over 50 attempts
rushing the ball inside the redzone.[/quote:1d04hh8y]
Correct, but when Ben throws a TD from the 15 that takes a goal line opportunity away from Willie, doesn't it?
[quote=stlrz d][quote="Mr Smartmonies":2eebno5m]Their is a difference between goaline and Redzone. I'm sure you know that.
Parker had only 13 less carries in 2007, inside the Redzone. He had over 50 attempts
rushing the ball inside the redzone.[/quote:2eebno5m]
Correct, but when Ben throws a TD from the 15 that takes a goal line opportunity away from Willie, doesn't it?
2007 Parker scored on only 4% of his redzone rushes (45) and only picked up a 1st down 11% of the time in the redzone.
2006 PArker scored on 20% of his redzone carries (56) and picked up a 1st down 29% of the time.
They had to get the guy out of there. Redzone last year.
DAVENPORT
scored on 23% of his redzone carries and picked up a first down 42% of the time behind the same line of scrimmage.
Parker just wasn't good enough last year in the redzone.
Dude, your Parker/Davenport comparisons don't work unless down and distance on their carries, among other things, are the same.
But nice try.
Why do you even bother? He is selective with the stats he posts. Usually has a negative agenda towards most players on the team.Dude, your Parker/Davenport comparisons don't work unless down and distance on their carries, among other things, are the same.
But nice try.
Dude, your Parker/Davenport comparisons don't work unless down and distance on their carries, among other things, are the same.
But nice try.
% Touchdowns, Running in Goal to Go situations.
1 Kenny Watson CIN 16 38.9 7 18
2 Najeh Davenport PIT 15 36.4 4 11
3 Chris Brown TEN 12 35.7 5 14
4 Joseph Addai IND 15 31 9 29
5 Ronnie Brown MIA 7 30.8 4 13
T-6 Heath Evans NE 16 30 3 10
T-6 Sammy Morris NE 6 30 3 10
T-8 Travis Henry DEN 12 28.6 4 14
T-8 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 16 28.6 8 28
T-10 Jamal Lewis CLE 15 25.9 7 27
T-10 LenDale White TEN 16 25.9 7 27
T-12 Ron Dayne HOU 13 25 4 16
T-12 Laurence Maroney NE 13 25 5 20
14 Justin Fargas OAK 14 21.4 3 14
15 Marshawn Lynch BUF 13 21.1 4 19
16 Greg Jones JAC 16 20 2 10
17 Rudi Johnson CIN 11 18.8 3 16
18 Maurice Jones-Drew JAC 15 18.5 5 27
19 Willis McGahee BAL 15 16.7 4 24
20 Willie Parker PIT 15 6.3 1 16
Like I said, the stats speak for themselves. Parker is average to below average back just about anyway you slice it.
Sure would be nice if Willie didn't slow down so much late in the game
Yds/Carry 21+ Carries
Rank Name Team Games Yds/Rush Yds Attempts
1 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 16 7.6 160 21
2 Jamal Lewis CLE 15 5.9 249 42
3 Marshawn Lynch BUF 13 4.7 121 26
4 Thomas Jones NYJ 16 4.2 155 37
5 LenDale White TEN 16 3.8 166 44
6 Willis McGahee BAL 15 3.6 123 34
7 Larry Johnson KC 8 3.4 81 24
8 Willie Parker PIT 15 3 142 47
9 Kenny Watson CIN 16 2.9 64 22
10 Justin Fargas OAK 14 2.7 83 31
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