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    Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

    It must be something in the air or just boring times for sports editors.

    Fox seems to have it right with Ben as #3.

    http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/ja ... arterbacks

    They share my personal opinion about D. Anderson and Carson Palmer and state it exactly as I would have:

    11. Derek Anderson, Browns. See David Garrard-except that Cleveland didn't make the playoffs last year and the Jags did. Like the Jags, expectations are high in Cleveland.

    12. Carson Palmer, Bengals. Most magazines/analysts rate Palmer 3rd or 4th in their rankings, but what has he ever done to deserve that? He has two dynamite receivers and he can't lead that team to the playoffs?


    Anderson will not repeat last year's performancethis season. Expect QB controvery in C-land by week 10. I would give Palmer the nod over Anderson and Garrard.
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    The guys says what has Palmer done but then he ranks Matt Ryan as the 19th best QB in the NFL.

    Plus the guys is just a blogger, I don't even think he works for Fox Sports. Come on Oviedo you're better than this, posting "JaguarJoes" personal rankings...

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    Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

    Quote Originally Posted by Jom112
    The guys says what has Palmer done but then he ranks Matt Ryan as the 19th best QB in the NFL.

    I don't think I need to say anything else...
    Derek Anderson ahead of Carson Palmer is just silly. What has Derek Anderson done?

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    Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Quote Originally Posted by Jom112
    The guys says what has Palmer done but then he ranks Matt Ryan as the 19th best QB in the NFL.

    I don't think I need to say anything else...
    Derek Anderson ahead of Carson Palmer is just silly. What has Derek Anderson done?
    He's guilty of impersonating Shaggy.


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    Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

    Quote Originally Posted by Jom112
    The guys says what has Palmer done but then he ranks Matt Ryan as the 19th best QB in the NFL.

    Plus the guys is just a blogger, I don't even think he works for Fox Sports. Come on Oviedo you're better than this, posting "JaguarJoes" personal rankings...
    I would agree with you, but if he's right, he's right. Blogger or not. This is all opinion, and each man is entitled to his opinion.

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    Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

    Quote Originally Posted by Jom112
    The guys says what has Palmer done but then he ranks Matt Ryan as the 19th best QB in the NFL.

    Plus the guys is just a blogger, I don't even think he works for Fox Sports. Come on Oviedo you're better than this, posting "JaguarJoes" personal rankings...
    No way on this green earth is Palmer the third best QB in the NFL. Seriously, you would take Palmer over Ben? Really? I don't think so. Have you ever seen Ben play without his starting WRs? He threw a terrific game with his #3 and #4 WRs as starters. Palmer has hit the playoffs once with Doush and Chad.

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    Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawnMedGuy
    Quote Originally Posted by Jom112
    The guys says what has Palmer done but then he ranks Matt Ryan as the 19th best QB in the NFL.

    Plus the guys is just a blogger, I don't even think he works for Fox Sports. Come on Oviedo you're better than this, posting "JaguarJoes" personal rankings...
    No way on this green earth is Palmer the third best QB in the NFL. Seriously, you would take Palmer over Ben? Really? I don't think so. Have you ever seen Ben play without his starting WRs? He threw a terrific game with his #3 and #4 WRs as starters. Palmer has hit the playoffs once with Doush and Chad.

    I agree that while this is from a blogger this is a much more accurate assessment of the Top 5. After that, it really becomes jumbled. Palmer has had an embarassment of riches with regards to Johnson and TJ plus don't forget how good Henry was when playing. Yet he doesn't seem to get the job done. Maybe it is the team and the defense, but also mybe it is him.

    A QB's job is to win. Manning did it without much of a defense until the last couple of years.
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    Such hate towards Carson.

    Anyway, we can get back into an endless Carson/Ben debate again but obviously you guys will favor Ben and I will favor Carson and that most likely wouldn't change.

    All I can say is that both QB's have a good amount of targets this season. Both have had their one off season, so let's see who does better this season. You guys keep saying Ben doesn't have anyone to throw to but this season with Ward, Holmes, Sweed, Miller, Mendenhall and FWP you have no excuses.

    Man, I can't wait for the season to start...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom112
    Such hate towards Carson.

    Anyway, we can get back into an endless Carson/Ben debate again but obviously you guys will favor Ben and I will favor Carson and that most likely wouldn't change.

    All I can say is that both QB's have a good amount of targets this season. Both have had their one off season, so let's see who does better this season. You guys keep saying Ben doesn't have anyone to throw to but this season with Ward, Holmes, Sweed, Miller, Mendenhall and FWP you have no excuses.

    Man, I can't wait for the season to start...
    You probably said all of that with a straight face...which amazes me. What has Palmer done with the plethera of talent around him? Nothing. Nuff said...next debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShawnMedGuy

    You probably said all of that with a straight face...which amazes me. What has Palmer done with the plethera of talent around him? Nothing. Nuff said...next debate.
    Alright SMG, I'll bite.

    First you keep saying that Carson is only good because of the talent around him but did you ever stop to think that maybe he is the reason that the talent looks so good? What did TJ Housh do prior to Carson arriving?

    In three seasons here are TJ's #'s without Carson:

    2003 2 games 0 receptions 0 yards 0 TD
    2002 16 games 41 receptions 492 yards 1 TD
    2001 12 games 21 receptions 228 yards 0 TD

    Then Carson takes over in 2004 and rest is history. Not all of this is because of Carson, but having that franchise QB who has been spending his offseasons training with TJ does help don't you think?

    Next as talented as Chris Henry was he was only useful for one season in 2005. He was suspended on and off and injured on and off in 2006. In 2007 he missed half the season and when he came back it took him a while to come up to speed. He was dropping passes and giving up on balls. Anyone that watched the games knows that. I have said for years that a reliable, consistent #3 would be an improvement on Henry. I honestly would have taken Nate Washington over Henry the past two seasons.

    Then you have Antonio Chatman, I don't think I need to explain the problem here.

    Next is Tab Perry, who looked good in his rookie season but suffered a severe hip injury and missed way too many games. Tab Perry was molded to be that 3rd down option when Chris Perry went down and Chris Henry got suspended. His injury did hurt.

    The next receiver in the list is Glen Holt, a receiver that was waived by the Dallas cowboys (Even with the zero depth at WR that they have). He's a return specialist and nothing more at this point. It would be like counting Alan Rossum as a WR threat.

    Chad is great, but Ward has been just as dependable for you guys. I do love however how you guys always say Hines is a HOF worthy wide receiver, but then say Ben has nothing to throw to. Give Ward some credit in these debates. The only person you guys undervalue more in these debates is Heath Miller.

    Then you take into account that the running game has been pathetic the past two seasons (Not to mention the defense) and you expect this team to win games??? Even our ST's have been horrid the past two seasons. So 8 and 7 wins with one of the leagues worst defenses, a subpar running game and subpar ST's play is pretty damn good IMHO.

    I created a thread in the trash talk forum that go over the games logs of how Carson has done late in games, but no one wants to debate with me there. They want to point at passer ratings and stupid stats but don't want to argue the facts.

    I didn't want to go down the route of making excuses but after hearing every single excuse in the book being made for Ben (Who I countless times have complimented), you guys leave me with no choice...

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