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    Just wondering

    Not trying to turn this into a political discussion but since our Steelers are part of the story here I'm curious what people in the 'Burgh think of this.

    Regardless of political affiliation I find it disgusting when any candidate does something like this.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... vania.html

    In Pennsylvania, McCain Tells a New Version of Heroic P.O.W. Story -- Subbing the Pittsburgh Steelers for the Green Bay Packers

    July 10, 2008 5:37 PM

    Yesterday in Pittsburgh, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., professed his love for the Steelers to KDKA-TV.

    Asked what first comes to his mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh, McCain chuckled, "the Steelers. I was a mediocre high school athlete but I loved and adored the sports but the Steelers really made a huge impression on me particularly in my early years."

    And then McCain told a rather moving story about his time as a P.O.W. "When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates."

    "Did you really?" asked the reporter.

    "Yes," McCain said.

    "In your POW camp?" asked the reporter.

    "Yes," McCain said.

    "Could you do it today?" asked the reporter.

    "No, unfortunately," McCain said.

    Here's one reason he likely couldn't do it today -- the Steelers aren't the team whose defensive line McCain named for his Vietnamese tormentors. The Green Bay Packers are. At least according to every previous time McCain has told this story. And the McCain campaign just told ABC News that the senator made a mistake -- it was, indeed, the Packers.

    In McCain's best-selling 1999 memoir “Faith of My Fathers,” McCain writes:

    “Once my condition had stabilized, my interrogators resumed their work. Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant. Pressed for more useful information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packers offensive line, and said they were members of my squadron. When asked to identify future targets, I simply recited the names of a number of North Vietnamese cities that had already been bombed.”

    In 2005, A&E ran a movie version of "Faith of My Fathers."

    And McCain discussed that precise clip on CNN.

    The actor playing McCain, asked to name the men in his squadron, says: "Starr; Greg; McGee; Davis; Adderly; Brown; Ringo; Wood."

    Cut back to real life. The CNN anchor asks McCain: "For those who don't know the story, were those NFL football players?"

    "That was the starting lineup of the Green Bay Packers, the first Super Bowl champions, yes," McCain responded. But it's -- it was the best I could think of at the time."

    The movie actually shows this act of defiance twice.

    INTERROGATOR: The names of your squadron...

    MCCAIN: Starr, Gregg...McGee, Davis...Adderley, Brown, Ringo, Wood.

    INTERROGATOR: Ten points, McCain.

    MCCAIN: Ray Nitschke, our C.O.

    The Packers anecdote is not only a key part of the McCain biography, it's part of his argument against torture.

    Explaining why he thinks torture can result in erroneous information, McCain wrote in Newsweek in 2005, "In my experience, abuse of prisoners often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear--whether it is true or false--if he believes it will relieve his suffering. I was once physically coerced to provide my enemies with the names of the members of my flight squadron, information that had little if any value to my enemies as actionable intelligence. But I did not refuse, or repeat my insistence that I was required under the Geneva Conventions to provide my captors only with my name, rank and serial number. Instead, I gave them the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line, knowing that providing them false information was sufficient to suspend the abuse."

    McCain's valor as a P.O.W. is beyond admirable, but this business of substituting the Steelers for the Packers is odd, though as I said, the McCain campaign says this was an honest mistake.

    - jpt

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    Re: Just wondering

    Just more B.S. from another B.S. politician.

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    "In my experience, abuse of prisoners often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear--whether it is true or false--if he believes it will relieve his suffering."
    Also, in my experience, on the campaign trail, a politician will say anything he thinks potential voters want to hear--whether it is true or false--if he believes it will persuade them to vote for him.

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    Re: Just wondering

    Wow, I just started my "A-Hole" list in my sig, and already got a new member after reading one post.

    What an idiot! I hate that kind of stuff. People eat it up I guess.
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    You find it disgusting that he is pandering to football fans? That's what politicians do. McCain is certainly not alone in this sort of thing so no it doesn't bother me. I have watched Obama do this same sort of thing on the issues. Ridin' the wave of public opinion...pandering for votes with untruthful words. Honestly, the whole political system makes me ill. With all of that said...politicans wouldn't do this sort of thing if it didn't work. And that is egg on our face. That is a display of the sad ignorance that can go on in certain segments of our population.

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    Re: Just wondering

    McCain is an idiot. Not that anyone needed me to say that.... Yea, he was a POW.... Right after he got out and back to the states, he divorced his wife for a young honey.... He has stated that the airlines are on thier own, and pilots are extremely over-paid. Even said that NYC buss drivers should be treated better than us.... I wonder if that is how he feels while at 37,000 feet during his campaign travels.... A complete asshole...

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    Re: Just wondering

    Quote Originally Posted by NKySteeler
    McCain is an idiot. Not that anyone needed me to say that.... Yea, he was a POW.... Right after he got out and back to the states, he divorced his wife for a young honey.... He has stated that the airlines are on thier own, and pilots are extremely over-paid. Even said that NYC buss drivers should be treated better than us.... I wonder if that is how he feels while at 37,000 feet during his campaign travels.... A complete asshole...
    Well, in general, airline pilots are not extremely overpaid. Just one particular airline pilot from Florence, Ky who's got enough time on his hands to post 1100 times on a Steeler message board. That's guy's extremely overpaid. The others? Not so much.

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    Re: Just wondering

    Hey, not so Ruthless!..... So what if I'm sitting in the Atlanta airport right now, typing in public, shirking my duties so as to banter with quality folks like yourself.... ... Actually, they should double my salary for dealing with idiots like McCain.....

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    Re: Just wondering

    Quote Originally Posted by NKySteeler
    Hey, not so Ruthless!..... So what if I'm sitting in the Atlanta airport right now, typing in public, shirking my duties so as to banter with quality folks like yourself.... ... Actually, they should double my salary for dealing with idiots like McCain.....
    At least you are not drinking at the airport bar before your flight is scheduled to depart (actually, judging by the quality of some of your posts here, maybe you are drinking...)


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    Re: Just wondering

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Quote Originally Posted by NKySteeler
    Hey, not so Ruthless!..... So what if I'm sitting in the Atlanta airport right now, typing in public, shirking my duties so as to banter with quality folks like yourself.... ... Actually, they should double my salary for dealing with idiots like McCain.....
    At least you are not drinking at the airport bar before your flight is scheduled to depart (actually, judging by the quality of some of your posts here, maybe you are drinking...)

    ....and my next flight will be on SouthWest.

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