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    Re: Taking a by position look at this coming season--Offense

    [quote=steelcityrules!!]
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Smartmonies":24tlisvt
    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo
    There is a lot of emphasis on the sacks allowed, but easily 20-25% of those sack were on the QB trying to extend plays and could be easily rectified by Ben getting rid of the ball either to TEs and RBs or just throwing it away. Yes we lost Faneca, but does anyone really think the Faneca of 2007 was the same as the Faneca of 2000-2005? Hartwig will solidify the center position. Starks I think will regain the RT position. Smith seems healthy. If our OL stays healthy I expect a improvement in this area. I expect them to be at least the same which resulted in our QB having the best season of his career and our RB a league leading rusher.


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    The above post is where you allow "fandom" to be your undoing

    1) Losing Faneca (all pro , who had to put up with Mahan next to him) and inserting a guy who has never played is a big deal.

    2) Kendall Simmons had 7 blown blocks that led to sacks. He had as many blown blocks as the entire Browns offensive line had all season.

    3) Hartwig has been given his unconditional release by 2 teams.

    4) Roethlisberger had the most "hurries" in the NFL last year of any QB. (yes they keep a stat for "hurries." He had the best passer rating while being hurried. Anther words thanks to Ben, we won more games then we should have. If 20% of the sacks were on Ben to get rid of the ball sooner, what about the 20% of the sacks where he literally had no chance to get a throw off , but yet still broke a tackle and escaped pressure? And getting rid of the ball earlier doesn't necessarily solve your problem. It might mean you just end up with more incompletions and you end up punting the ball more often. A lot more often.

    5) The defensive line has Zero depth. We saw what happens when AAron Smith leaves the lineup. Colbert didn't do anything to address this.

    6) Special Teamshas been a disaster for three years. It has nothing to do wih scheme or practicing harder. It's all about the over all lack of depth. The poor drafts from the 3rd round on over the past 3-4 years has caught up to the steelers. Tomlin will take the blame. But Colbert should.

    7) Schedule, The easy schedule last year allowed the Steelers to make the playoffs. That and unbelivable third down passing from the QB. But you have to face the facts. This schedule is brutal and the Steelers had the biggest drop statistically in the 2nd half of the season last year then any team had in last 10 years. They now get one of the hardest Schedules ever, coming off that Fall.
    you make some more realistic points, but i think our draft the last two years will produce some real solid players on special teams. humpal, davis, mundy from this season alone will be contributors, and the true depth of our WR corps will show on special teams as well.

    on the O-line, i really think this needs to be a wait and see deal. we have some 05 and 06 draft picks that just might surprise us, and while faneca was def. compensating for worthless in the middle, he still wasn't the best pass-blocker to ever play for the black and gold. faneca was a pulling and destroying beast, and he complimented the bettis era like no other, but those days are over and we don't have his inflated contract anymore.

    schedule on paper sucks, no doubt.

    D-line depth is def. issue, but i think we can plug in some more 4-3 than normal and use guys like davis on the outside. we also might have polished up mcbean to serviceable by now, who knows.

    bottom line is the staff has the first year jitters over and done with, and has loaded the offense with talent. i think we can win 11 games and make a serious push in the playoffs.[/quote:24tlisvt]

    here are some interesting grades from last year defensively.

    Steelers Defense

    WHEN RUSHING 3 = #5 BEST (11% of the time they rushed 3)
    WHEN RUSHING 4 = #32 (41% of the time they rushed 4 )
    WHEN RUSHING 5 = #2 (40% of the time they rushed 5)
    WHEN RUSHING 6 = #20 (7% of the time they rushed 6 , 1% they rushed 7)

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    Re: Taking a by position look at this coming season--Offense

    [quote=Mr Smartmonies][quote="steelcityrules!!":23vypzb7]
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Smartmonies":23vypzb7
    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo
    There is a lot of emphasis on the sacks allowed, but easily 20-25% of those sack were on the QB trying to extend plays and could be easily rectified by Ben getting rid of the ball either to TEs and RBs or just throwing it away. Yes we lost Faneca, but does anyone really think the Faneca of 2007 was the same as the Faneca of 2000-2005? Hartwig will solidify the center position. Starks I think will regain the RT position. Smith seems healthy. If our OL stays healthy I expect a improvement in this area. I expect them to be at least the same which resulted in our QB having the best season of his career and our RB a league leading rusher.


    .
    The above post is where you allow "fandom" to be your undoing

    1) Losing Faneca (all pro , who had to put up with Mahan next to him) and inserting a guy who has never played is a big deal.

    2) Kendall Simmons had 7 blown blocks that led to sacks. He had as many blown blocks as the entire Browns offensive line had all season.

    3) Hartwig has been given his unconditional release by 2 teams.

    4) Roethlisberger had the most "hurries" in the NFL last year of any QB. (yes they keep a stat for "hurries." He had the best passer rating while being hurried. Anther words thanks to Ben, we won more games then we should have. If 20% of the sacks were on Ben to get rid of the ball sooner, what about the 20% of the sacks where he literally had no chance to get a throw off , but yet still broke a tackle and escaped pressure? And getting rid of the ball earlier doesn't necessarily solve your problem. It might mean you just end up with more incompletions and you end up punting the ball more often. A lot more often.

    5) The defensive line has Zero depth. We saw what happens when AAron Smith leaves the lineup. Colbert didn't do anything to address this.

    6) Special Teamshas been a disaster for three years. It has nothing to do wih scheme or practicing harder. It's all about the over all lack of depth. The poor drafts from the 3rd round on over the past 3-4 years has caught up to the steelers. Tomlin will take the blame. But Colbert should.

    7) Schedule, The easy schedule last year allowed the Steelers to make the playoffs. That and unbelivable third down passing from the QB. But you have to face the facts. This schedule is brutal and the Steelers had the biggest drop statistically in the 2nd half of the season last year then any team had in last 10 years. They now get one of the hardest Schedules ever, coming off that Fall.
    you make some more realistic points, but i think our draft the last two years will produce some real solid players on special teams. humpal, davis, mundy from this season alone will be contributors, and the true depth of our WR corps will show on special teams as well.

    on the O-line, i really think this needs to be a wait and see deal. we have some 05 and 06 draft picks that just might surprise us, and while faneca was def. compensating for worthless in the middle, he still wasn't the best pass-blocker to ever play for the black and gold. faneca was a pulling and destroying beast, and he complimented the bettis era like no other, but those days are over and we don't have his inflated contract anymore.

    schedule on paper sucks, no doubt.

    D-line depth is def. issue, but i think we can plug in some more 4-3 than normal and use guys like davis on the outside. we also might have polished up mcbean to serviceable by now, who knows.

    bottom line is the staff has the first year jitters over and done with, and has loaded the offense with talent. i think we can win 11 games and make a serious push in the playoffs.[/quote:23vypzb7]

    here are some interesting grades from last year defensively.

    Steelers Defense

    WHEN RUSHING 3 = #5 BEST (11% of the time they rushed 3)
    WHEN RUSHING 4 = #32 (41% of the time they rushed 4 )
    WHEN RUSHING 5 = #2 (40% of the time they rushed 5)
    WHEN RUSHING 6 = #20 (7% of the time they rushed 6 , 1% they rushed 7)[/quote:23vypzb7]

    Well, then...if we are at our best rushing 5, let's give opposing QB's a steady diet of Woodley, Aaron, Casey, Keisel, and Harrison right in their face.


    1.15 WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
    2.46 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington
    3.97c ILB Shayne Skov, Stanford
    4.118 CB Philip Gaines, Rice
    5.157 OT James Hurst, North Carolina
    5.173c RB Jerrick McKinnon, Georgia Southern
    6.192 CB Walt Aikens, Liberty
    6.215c DE Deandre Coleman, California
    7.230 NT Zack Kerr, Delaware

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    Re: Taking a by position look at this coming season--Offense

    ruthless, that sounds like a great plan.
    from day one, pin the ears back and destroy.

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