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    Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    Passer Rating with 2 WR's (at least 6.25 attempts per game)

    1 Tom Brady NE 158.3
    2 Todd Collins Was 129.3
    3 Matt Moore Car 119.4
    4 A.J. Feeley Phi 110.4
    5 Carson Palmer Cin 109.4
    6 Chris Redman Atl 107.6
    7 Donovan McNabb Phi 103.6
    8 Luke McCown TB 101.5
    9 Jeff Garcia TB 101.2
    10 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 98.7
    11 Jake Delhomme Car 96.5
    12 Jason Campbell Was 96.3
    13 Drew Brees NO 94.6
    14 David Garrard Jac 93.3
    15 Kurt Warner Ari 92.6
    16 Tony Romo Dal 91.5
    17 Marc Bulger StL 91.2
    18 Brett Favre GB 89.4
    19 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 89.3
    20 Josh McCown Oak 88.8



    Passer ratings with 3 Wr's (at least 6.25 attempts per game)

    1 Tom Brady NE 130.1
    2 David Garrard Jac 101.4
    3 Kurt Warner Ari 100.8
    4 Peyton Manning Ind 98.3
    5 Brett Favre GB 97.4
    6 Tony Romo Dal 90.9
    7 Jay Cutler Den 89.9
    8 Drew Brees NO 88.2
    9 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 86.4
    10 Donovan McNabb Phi 84.9
    11 Derek Anderson Cle 84.3
    12 Matt Schaub Hou 83.1
    13 Carson Palmer Cin 82.6
    14 Joey Harrington Atl 80.5
    15 Daunte Culpepper Oak 78.4
    16 Jeff Garcia TB 78.4
    17 Kyle Boller Bal 77.7
    18 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 76.8
    19 Eli Manning NYG 76.4
    20 Philip Rivers SD 76.3

    Passer ratings with 4 or more WR's (at least 6.25 attempts per game)

    1 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 109.3
    2 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 108.8
    3 Tom Brady NE 103.8
    4 Brett Favre GB 91.2
    5 Jon Kitna Det 90.3
    6 Drew Brees NO 87.7
    7 Donovan McNabb Phi 85.5
    8 Chad Pennington NYJ 84.4
    9 Philip Rivers SD 83.5
    10 Carson Palmer Cin 79.6
    11 Jason Campbell Was 78.8
    12 Kurt Warner Ari 76.6
    13 Derek Anderson Cle 74.0
    14 Vince Young Ten 73.3
    15 Cleo Lemon Mia 71.4
    16 Kellen Clemens NYJ 64.6

    Passer ratings from the Shotgun

    1 Tom Brady NE 106.4
    2 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 104.6
    3 Sage Rosenfels Hou 104.3
    4 David Garrard Jac 100.8
    5 Todd Collins Was 99.8
    6 Brett Favre GB 94.4
    7 Tony Romo Dal 93.0
    8 Chad Pennington NYJ 92.1
    9 Troy Smith Bal 91.8
    10 Peyton Manning Ind 91.1
    11 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 91.0
    12 Jake Delhomme Car 89.7
    13 Shaun Hill SF 87.9
    14 Kurt Warner Ari 87.9
    15 Chris Redman Atl 86.3
    16 Brian Griese Chi 85.9
    17 Jay Cutler Den 83.3
    18 Quinn Gray Jac 83.2
    19 Philip Rivers SD 80.4
    20 Jeff Garcia TB 80.0


    Why the drop on Passer rating when we got to 3Wr's ?

    Why so good when were in 4 wides and shotgun?

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Smartmonies
    Why the drop on Passer rating when we got to 3Wr's ?

    Maybe less blocking available and more time looking down-field resulting in sacks/hurries/knock-downs.

    Why so good when were in 4 wides and shotgun?

    From the "gun" he's immediately looking thru his progression, and possibly hitting the slant. But either way, he's got more time to "look" opposed to "set up"...

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    why didn't Arians stay with the spread offense after that 1st possession? I don't think we saw it again until 2nd half. (I may be wrong)

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Smartmonies
    why didn't Arians stay with the spread offense after that 1st Position? I don't think we saw it again until 2nd half. (I may be wrong)
    Because Arians is a moron of an OC that cannot adjust to the ebb/flow of a game with adjustments, and a second-rate coach at best. He will not be able to get this team past the WC, just as he couldn't in Cleveland..... Not that I'm sayin' anything... Just my .

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    Quote Originally Posted by NKySteeler
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Smartmonies
    why didn't Arians stay with the spread offense after that 1st Position? I don't think we saw it again until 2nd half. (I may be wrong)
    Because Arians is a moron of an OC that cannot adjust to the ebb/flow of a game with adjustments, and a second-rate coach at best. He will not be able to get this team past the WC, just as he couldn't in Cleveland..... Not that I'm sayin' anything... Just my .
    YOu maybe right. I am scared now.

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    I'll start off with a couple of points:

    1. When you have more WR's, you'll obviously have less blockers. Which is fine when you going against the "stellar" pass rush of say the Bengals defense twice a season. But when you go against a defense twice a season like the Steelers you need more blockers to stay back.

    2. In addition when you have 3 or 4 WR sets, you get mis-matches going on with the TE (Or a pass catching RB). Who usually gets covered at that point by a slower, shorter LB. So when you don't have a TE to throw to, it's harder to be successful when you go to 3 and 4 WR sets.

    Also 6.25 is an odd # of attempts (Although I do believe I've seen that # somewhere before). Any reason you picked that number?

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    Jom...I have to disagree. First when you run shotgun 5 wr sets...it spreads out a D. It makes it much harder to blitz. Take the Steelers a few years back. I can't remember the year but the Pats figured out if you spread the Steelers out...our blitz was much less effective. It allows the QB to be able to read and know where the blitz is coming from. It's much harder to disquise a blitz when the opposition in in 4-5 wide. Not to mention it can take away a teams ability to take the field with their blitzing LBs. Most teams must match up with the very least a nickle package.

    This is why Ben thrived in the 4-5 wide sets. It put him into shotgun and made it harder for the opposition to blitz...and disguise the blitz. Ben in this situation will pick a D apart. The reason Ariens didn't use it more often is unfathomable. I believe that's MSMs point...and it's a good one.

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    PS: I could be wrong but I believe the 6.25 is a number set to give statistical significance to the passer rating. I don't believe MSM set that number himself.

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jom112
    I'll start off with a couple of points:

    1. When you have more WR's, you'll obviously have less blockers. Which is fine when you going against the "stellar" pass rush of say the Bengals defense twice a season. But when you go against a defense twice a season like the Steelers you need more blockers to stay back.

    2. In addition when you have 3 or 4 WR sets, you get mis-matches going on with the TE (Or a pass catching RB). Who usually gets covered at that point by a slower, shorter LB. So when you don't have a TE to throw to, it's harder to be successful when you go to 3 and 4 WR sets.

    Also 6.25 is an odd # of attempts (Although I do believe I've seen that # somewhere before). Any reason you picked that number?
    That is the common number all or most official stats companies use.

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    Re: Ok, can anyone explain this too me?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawnMedGuy
    Jom...I have to disagree. First when you run shotgun 5 wr sets...it spreads out a D. It makes it much harder to blitz. Take the Steelers a few years back. I can't remember the year but the Pats figured out if you spread the Steelers out...our blitz was much less effective. It allows the QB to be able to read and know where the blitz is coming from. It's much harder to disquise a blitz when the opposition in in 4-5 wide. Not to mention it can take away a teams ability to take the field with their blitzing LBs. Most teams must match up with the very least a nickle package.

    This is why Ben thrived in the 4-5 wide sets. It put him into shotgun and made it harder for the opposition to blitz...and disguise the blitz. Ben in this situation will pick a D apart. The reason Ariens didn't use it more often is unfathomable. I believe that's MSMs point...and it's a good one.
    correct. The Steelers should have scrapped the slow 7 step drops that practically encourage the line to break down. And didn't Ben play a shotgun / spread offense in college?

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