Sorry NKy but all QB's have injuries and Ben is NOT the first QB in the NFL to suffer a concussion...Originally Posted by NKySteeler
Could it have been the apendectomy, or concussion?.... He wasn't ready physically to play that season... It started bad and ended bad. ... It is what it is. Sound familiar?
...He returned because he is a fighter. That, and the coaching staff allowed it (which was wrong IMO).
A concussion on top of everything else chief.Sorry NKy but all QB's have injuries and Ben is NOT the first QB in the NFL to suffer a concussion...Could it have been the apendectomy, or concussion?.... He wasn't ready physically to play that season... It started bad and ended bad. ... It is what it is. Sound familiar?
...He returned because he is a fighter. That, and the coaching staff allowed it (which was wrong IMO).
I'm in a one against 4 debate here, cut me some slack.Now you're just becoming annoying in your attempt to over simplify things.
Ben obviously was not 100% in 2006 but insisted on playing. As the season wore on he took a beating. So he was less than 100% at the start of the season...and went downhill from there. But like a true competitor he kept fighting.
I seem to recall that season having a pretty good ending though.
You try keeping up with MSM's endless statistics...
I'm in a one against 4 debate here, cut me some slack.Now you're just becoming annoying in your attempt to over simplify things.
Ben obviously was not 100% in 2006 but insisted on playing. As the season wore on he took a beating. So he was less than 100% at the start of the season...and went downhill from there. But like a true competitor he kept fighting.
I seem to recall that season having a pretty good ending though.
You try keeping up with MSM's endless statistics...
As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.
but Go Steelers!!!
Just for you NKy:I have debated this prior with you.... Carson does not produce when it counts. Blame it on the squad around him if you wish, but he doesn't get it done. Actually, he fumbles alot when under pressure to do good. ... Yes, you can quote a few games in which he did well, but on average, he does not... Again, maybe due to his surrounding cast... But Ben does, again to the surrounding cast. But that is what matters in the end.
You can debate facts and stats with Msm till you're both blue in the face, and it will go nowhere because he'll just keep 'em coming.... I simply look at production and final result, however it is done.... Carson falters. Period.
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WEEK 9 AGAINST RAVENSExcuses. You don't see me making excuses for Carson's offseason knee surgery do you?
Batch already proved he can win games with your team. If Ben was that messed up then why didn't he take more time to rehab instead of making the whole team suffer?
ROETHLISBERGER 13 completions for 209 YARDS passing
STEELERS RUSHING = 2.3 YARDS PER CARRY
WEEK 17 AGAINST RAVENS
CHARLIE BATCH 16 completions 216 YARDS
STEELERS RUSHING = 2.4 YARDS PER CARRY
ok, Jon here we go. TIme to learn a lesson on how to not be a square.
If you take a look at the above stats, (which is what you always look at, you know passing yards , passing yards, MY God its allabout the Passing yards with Jon) You would think that Batch/ben what makes a difference? Now take a look at the following information and you should be able to see why Passing yards means very little.
Ben = only had 16 passing attempts against ravens
Batch = had 31 pass attempts
Ben = averaged 13 yards per pass attempt
Batch = 6.9 yards per pass attempt
Ben = Threw 5 TD's passes n the first half
Batch = Steelers punted the ball 8 out out their first 9 drives.
Steelers 0 7 0 14 21
Ravens 10 10 7 0 27
Even more disturbing is that it appears that the Steelers offense didn't get moving until
the Ravens went into Prevent defense in the 4th QTR. Therefore the Passing yards of Batch are even more meaningless when you factor when he obtained them.
1st half passer rating against Ravens
Ben = 158.3
Batch = 17.6
Do you know understand why I am having a hard time taking you serious when you keep insisting to talk about Passing yards?
I'm trying not to argue in the "Steeler Talk" section anymore, this if your board and I'm happy to be here so I'll try and abide by the rules. But I'll address this post because of the ridiculousness of it.
1. I never stated that Batch was better than Ben. I just stated that he proved he can win games for you. A healthy Batch is better than an injuried Ben wouldn't you agree?
2. Are you seriously comparing a week 17 game? The same game where the Steelers rested a lot of starters such as Hines Ward and Marvel Smith? You don't think your best Offensive Tackle is needed against a pass rush like the Ravens?
3. Who is this Jon fellow you keep referring to...
jon, jom whatever your name is. Ravens had injuries all over the place in week 17.I'm trying not to argue in the "Steeler Talk" section anymore, this if your board and I'm happy to be here so I'll try and abide by the rules. But I'll address this post because of the ridiculousness of it.
1. I never stated that Batch was better than Ben. I just stated that he proved he can win games for you. A healthy Batch is better than an injuried Ben wouldn't you agree?
2. Are you seriously comparing a week 17 game? The same game where the Steelers rested a lot of starters such as Hines Ward and Marvel Smith? You don't think your best Offensive Tackle is needed against a pass rush like the Ravens?
3. Who is this Jon fellow you keep referring to...
Charlie Batch didn't take 1 sack in week 17.
Next.
[quote=Jom112]Frank Gore was hurt and ran for 500 yards less. That I would argue was the bigger reason for the -2 games. Alex Smith stinks regardless.
Again Duece McCallister was hurt almost the whole season. Bush couldn't do squat.
Again Steve McNair was hurt and only played in 6 games. Of course the team will do worse with Kyle "Garbage" Boller and Troy Smith
Once again Steven Jackson was hurt, which hurt the team more than Bulgers Yard Per Pass.
Garcia > Feeley. I'm sure there are plenty of stastics not just Yard Per Pass that would prove that.
Another team who had a top RB go down with injury. That is what effected the W/L record.
Transition to a new offense. Once it was picked up the team started rolling.
Yet again, RB injuries. When you're on your 4th string RB you should expect to lose more games. In this case one more game.
The Jets surprised everyone in 2006, everyone (Besides Peter King) knew they were in for rude awakening in 2007.
Brian Griese played in a good amount of games. Plus the lost Thomas Jones and were stuck with the ineffective Cedric Benson.
Nothing really I have to say here.
Again nothing much I have to say here.
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Yards Per Pass was the same and yet the Colts win the SB in 2006 and don't in 2007. I think that says a lot more than any of these stats.
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The Colts led the league in yards per pass in 2006. The 19-0 Patriots led the league in 2007. The Patriots went to the SB. Actually if you want a real good example of the importance of Yards per pass. Consider this.
The Colts had the worst run defense in the league in 2006. The Chiefs had the Best Rushing offense in the league in 2006. Those two teams met in the playoffs. guess what happened? yep, Colts won.
Once again all of the nonsense you posted above is just another attempt to ignore my post. It doesn't matter what decreased the Yards per pass averages. I said in my final "notes" that other things can effect the Yards per pass average other then the QB. you completely ignored that. the Bottom line is however that the record went the way of the yards per pass averages 30 out of 32 times.
[quote=Mr Smartmonies]jon, jom whatever your name is. Ravens had injuries all over the place in week 17.I'm trying not to argue in the "Steeler Talk" section anymore, this if your board and I'm happy to be here so I'll try and abide by the rules. But I'll address this post because of the ridiculousness of it.
1. I never stated that Batch was better than Ben. I just stated that he proved he can win games for you. A healthy Batch is better than an injuried Ben wouldn't you agree?
2. Are you seriously comparing a week 17 game? The same game where the Steelers rested a lot of starters such as Hines Ward and Marvel Smith? You don't think your best Offensive Tackle is needed against a pass rush like the Ravens?
3. Who is this Jon fellow you keep referring to...
Charlie Batch didn't take 1 sack in week 17.
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The Ravens had injuries in week 9 as well. I remember a couple of backup corners getting toasted in that game.
Anyway, I started a thread in the Trash Talk section that you'll probably enjoy. If you want to keep debating let's take it there...
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