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  1. Yeah, the better leader my ***. When all goes...

    Yeah, the better leader my ***. When all goes wrong, Payton is the first to bit$h and moan and whine. Biggest crybaby EVER when things go wrong.

    Then when the pressures on, he folds. Chokes....
  2. Hey Sanders, have fun in your newly found...

    Hey Sanders, have fun in your newly found anonymity.
  3. Most underrated Steelers players (especially by...

    Most underrated Steelers players (especially by Steelers fans) of the past 20 years.

    1. James Farrior
    2. Ike
    3. Big Ben
    4. Levon Kirkland
    5. John Jackson
    6. Heath Miller

    The first two...
  4. Thread: Two - IT

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    Of course, this was a year ago. Not the most...

    Of course, this was a year ago. Not the most recent season. He struggled with the injury and was pretty neutralized this season. We will see.
  5. This. It really depends on the start of the...

    This.

    It really depends on the start of the season. If the Steelers sleepwalk through another preseason and the first 8 games like last year it'll be the same ol.
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    1:20 reminds me of Troy. Only Troy can make that...

    1:20 reminds me of Troy. Only Troy can make that type of play in the NFL.
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    This list is stupid if Troy isn't in the top 10. ...

    This list is stupid if Troy isn't in the top 10. Rediculous.
  8. Even during the SB seasons, the Steelers weren't...

    Even during the SB seasons, the Steelers weren't dominating every opponent. And I remember during a game in the mid 2000s they showed a graphic that the Steelers had a losing record WITHOUT Troy and...
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    Yep. The only reason they made it, finally, to...

    Yep. The only reason they made it, finally, to SB in 1995 was NOD's playmaking (and Willie Williams shoestring tackle to stop the Colts from running out the clock on 3rd down in the AFCC) in the...
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    Boy I sure get tired of the debate by those...

    Boy I sure get tired of the debate by those outside Steeler Nation (and many in it).

    The Steelers, EVEN with great D's, do not make it to 3 Super Bowls without Big Ben. He changed the tide of...
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    Wow, this board is getting pretty petty and...

    Wow, this board is getting pretty petty and difficult for me to follow. Everyone wanting to be right ;)

    IMO, the "difficulty" of this defense has been the players. It's been hard for anyone new...
  12. Payton's teams always lose the big games because...

    Payton's teams always lose the big games because it's ALL about PAYTON! Everything is catered to him. The teams around him are not well rounded enough to overcome adversity. If it happens, Payton...
  13. Definitely. It's possible that Casey was one of...

    Definitely. It's possible that Casey was one of the best defensive linemen of all time. Look at the #1 defenses he anchored. And they weren't just #1 for that season but up there in all time...
  14. I agree Lemming. I was just surprised at his...

    I agree Lemming. I was just surprised at his choice of words. And in no way is the line close to being the best. I thought they played well later in the season though. And Ben remained upright.
  15. All I know is that there were times last year...

    All I know is that there were times last year before he got hurt that Velasco flat out dominated. That I WILL remember going forward. Pouncey is under the microscope now. And he deserves to be.
  16. At least the worst player on the OL? Interesting...

    At least the worst player on the OL? Interesting choice of words I have never seen before.

    Even if he is the worst this line potentially can be a very good one. And even THE best line in...
  17. Good post. We really need the NT position back...

    Good post.

    We really need the NT position back to par. We really learned the hard way how good Hampton was. And in the 3-4 defense it all started with him. I hope McClendon can improve and...
  18. I quit reading when Heath Miller is rated as...

    I quit reading when Heath Miller is rated as average. Maybe in fantasy football stats. But you have the best TE in Steeler history and most likely the best all around TE in the league even AFTER 10...
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    Steelers always have done well when they are the...

    Steelers always have done well when they are the dog. What's new?

    Everyone was saying this after a crappy 2003! But that was before Ben Roethlisberger. He's still here. Screw the odds.
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    Let's see how he plays in the preseason. He was...

    Let's see how he plays in the preseason. He was flat out terrible last preseason, IMO. I still remember sitting there numerous times wondering what was wrong with him. Getting blown up and over...
  21. Agreed 100%

    Agreed 100%
  22. In my mind, with how Ben arrived and turned this...

    In my mind, with how Ben arrived and turned this franchise around as a Super Bowl champion contender for Bill Cowher as soon as he stepped on the field, I rank him as a top 10 all time Steeler.

    I...
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    Yup!!:Clap

    Yup!!:Clap
  24. He'll deserve it but won't make it. With...

    He'll deserve it but won't make it. With anti-Steeler bias and his run ins with the law will leave him looking in. I'm not sure what more a QB has to do to get the respect from fans (including...
  25. He was flat out terrible in the preseason. One...

    He was flat out terrible in the preseason. One of five totally terrible players at that time to be sure. The oline was dominant in the last 8 games. Ben stayed upright and Bell ran free.
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