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[QUOTE=steelfin;538682]Based on this year only....his entire body of work puts him much higher on the chart....
The sad part is that we don't have another receiver better than him this year....[/QUOTE]
If you start going beyond this year though then you have to throw the last 2 or three years from other WR's up and add players like Fitzgerald, Greg Jennings, Hakeem Nixon, Jordy Nelson, and others into the discussion...
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[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;538863]If you start going beyond this year though then you have to throw the last 2 or three years from other WR's up and add players like Fitzgerald, Greg Jennings, Hakeem Nixon, Jordy Nelson, and others into the discussion...[/QUOTE]
Hakeem Nicks is not a crook. ;)
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My problem with Wallace is that I look around the league and I see A LOT of receivers that I could get for the $$ amount he wants or less. And a lot of those receivers are better in my eyes. They pass the eye test. Now, a lot of people will bring up stats to prove that Wallace is superior. Also, people have a tendency to forget the fact that some WRs, although very talented, have crappy QBs. It's not just about stats. You need to look at all aspects of a players situation and his overall ability.
With Wallace, I see elite speed and not much of anything else above average.
Here's a question... where would Wallace be on the GB Packers depth chart?
Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb. Would Wallace even dress on Sundays?
Is Wallace the better deep threat than all of these players? Quite possibly.
A more interesting question... Is Wallace a better overall WR than ANY of these players? Maybe not.
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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/09/three-years-of-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/[/url]
Yards per route run is interesting. Wallace isn't in the top 15.
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[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;538906][URL]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/09/three-years-of-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/[/URL]
Yards per route run is interesting. Wallace isn't in the top 15.[/QUOTE]
So what are you saying? Do you want him gone next season? Is there a $ amount you would be willing to sign him for?
Would you pay him the $48 Million we are paying AB?
Where does AB rank on your list above?
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[QUOTE=steelfin;538909]So what are you saying? Do you want him gone next season? Is there a $ amount you would be willing to sign him for?
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Would you pay him the $48 Million we are paying AB?
Where does AB rank on your list above?[/QUOTE]
Here's the thing...with Wallace I see a lot of Willie Parker. Guy can flat out burn, and he does get behind defenses. He seems to have big holes in his game. A lot of the time instead of catching the ball with his hands he catches it with his body. The top WR in the league are a bit more physical then Wallace. My biggest thing is like Parker, he is mostly a one trick Pony. That one trick is really great but I fear he will end up getting a leg injury like Parker, and once he loses that speed he would be a subpar WR. I think if he slowed down where he couldn't burn the opposition he would be right below A Nate Washington when he was here.
I guess I would like a little more of a taller physical WR that can go up against DB's and actually use their hands and out physical the DB's and come down with the ball.
I think Brown has a lot of really good tools but needs to mature and improve. I could see him being close to what a Holmes was when he was here.
If you are running a quick passing game a big bodied great handed WR can be more valuable to move the chains then a speedy small guy that isn't physical.
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[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;538906][URL]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/09/three-years-of-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/[/URL]
Yards per route run is interesting. Wallace isn't in the top 15.[/QUOTE]
Here is another: [URL]http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/28/2011-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/[/URL]
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[TH="class: column-2"]Name[/TH]
[TH="class: column-3"]Team[/TH]
[TH="class: column-4"]Rec. Yards[/TH]
[TH="class: column-5"]Snaps in Route[/TH]
[TH="class: column-6"]YPRR[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-2 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Victor Cruz[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]NYG[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1536[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]499[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]3.08[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-3 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Jordy Nelson[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]GB[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1263[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]423[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-4 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Antonio Brown[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1108[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]427[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-5 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Wes Welker[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]NE[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1569[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]607[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.58[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-6 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]5[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Malcom Floyd[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]SD[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]856[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]337[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.54[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-7 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Percy Harvin[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]MIN[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]975[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]390[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-8 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Calvin Johnson[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]DET[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1685[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]692[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-9 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Marques Colston[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]NO[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1143[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]473[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.42[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-10 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Brandon Marshall[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]MIA[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1214[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]513[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-11 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Steve L. Smith[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]CAR[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1394[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]590[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-12 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]11[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Dwayne Bowe[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]KC[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1159[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]504[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-13 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]12[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Johnny Knox[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]CHI[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]729[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]321[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-14 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]13[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Darrius Heyward-Bey[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]OAK[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]975[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]431[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.26[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-15 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]14[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Doug Baldwin[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]SEA[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]792[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]354[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-16 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Larry Fitzgerald[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]ARZ[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1411[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]632[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-17 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Mike Wallace[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1193[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]554[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-18 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Laurent Robinson[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]DAL[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]858[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]399[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-19 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Roddy White[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]ATL[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1296[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]613[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-20 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]A.J. Green[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]CIN[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1057[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]500[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-21 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Julio Jones[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]ATL[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]959[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]456[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-22 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Demaryius Thomas[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]DEN[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]551[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]263[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[QUOTE=SS Laser;538915]Here is another: [URL]http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/28/2011-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/[/URL]
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[TR="class: row-1 odd"]
[TH="class: column-1"]#[/TH]
[TH="class: column-2"]Name[/TH]
[TH="class: column-3"]Team[/TH]
[TH="class: column-4"]Rec. Yards[/TH]
[TH="class: column-5"]Snaps in Route[/TH]
[TH="class: column-6"]YPRR[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-2 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Victor Cruz[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]NYG[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1536[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]499[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]3.08[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-3 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Jordy Nelson[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]GB[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1263[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]423[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-4 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Antonio Brown[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1108[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]427[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-5 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Wes Welker[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]NE[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1569[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]607[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.58[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-6 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]5[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Malcom Floyd[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]SD[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]856[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]337[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.54[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-7 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Percy Harvin[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]MIN[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]975[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]390[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-8 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Calvin Johnson[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]DET[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1685[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]692[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-9 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Marques Colston[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]NO[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1143[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]473[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.42[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-10 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Brandon Marshall[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]MIA[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1214[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]513[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-11 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Steve L. Smith[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]CAR[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1394[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]590[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-12 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]11[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Dwayne Bowe[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]KC[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1159[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]504[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-13 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]12[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Johnny Knox[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]CHI[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]729[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]321[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-14 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]13[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Darrius Heyward-Bey[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]OAK[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]975[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]431[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.26[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-15 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]14[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Doug Baldwin[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]SEA[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]792[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]354[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-16 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Larry Fitzgerald[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]ARZ[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1411[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]632[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-17 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Mike Wallace[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1193[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]554[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-18 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Laurent Robinson[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]DAL[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]858[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]399[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-19 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Roddy White[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]ATL[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1296[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]613[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-20 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]A.J. Green[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]CIN[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]1057[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]500[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-21 odd"]
[TD="class: column-1"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Julio Jones[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]ATL[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]959[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]456[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: row-22 even"]
[TD="class: column-1"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: column-2"]Demaryius Thomas[/TD]
[TD="class: column-3"]DEN[/TD]
[TD="class: column-4"]551[/TD]
[TD="class: column-5"]263[/TD]
[TD="class: column-6"]2.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/QUOTE]
Interesting - 2 Steelers in that list. That was BA's offense. They took big chances and worked with what they have. Now Haley is probably killing the WR stats with his offense. We're now focused on getting balance. The problem is we dont yet have the personnel to be balanced. And we might have to revert back to taking some chances if we want to do anything this year.
Give Ben the rope Haley.
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[QUOTE=steelz09;538894]My problem with Wallace is that I look around the league and I see A LOT of receivers that I could get for the $$ amount he wants or less. And a lot of those receivers are better in my eyes. They pass the eye test. Now, a lot of people will bring up stats to prove that Wallace is superior. Also, people have a tendency to forget the fact that some WRs, although very talented, have crappy QBs. It's not just about stats. You need to look at all aspects of a players situation and his overall ability.
With Wallace, I see elite speed and not much of anything else above average.
Here's a question... where would Wallace be on the GB Packers depth chart?
Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb. Would Wallace even dress on Sundays?
Is Wallace the better deep threat than all of these players? Quite possibly.
A more interesting question... Is Wallace a better overall WR than ANY of these players? Maybe not.[/QUOTE]
Wallace would be a starter for the Packers and most teams around the league. Most teams don't have a WR that has the football speed that Wallace possesses. Whether fans want to admit it or not, Wallace is a difference maker with or without the football. He is a big play threat. Wallace isn't irreplaceable but the Steeler's offense will miss Wallace's big play ability if they can't resign him. The question is how will they replace Wallace's play ability and production?
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[QUOTE=BURGH86STEEL;538932]Wallace would be a starter for the Packers and most teams around the league. Most teams don't have a WR that has the football speed that Wallace possesses. Whether fans want to admit it or not, Wallace is a difference maker with or without the football. He is a big play threat. Wallace isn't irreplaceable but the Steeler's offense will miss Wallace's big play ability if they can't resign him. The question is how will they replace Wallace's play ability and production?[/QUOTE]
Same way they did when Plax left, Washington, left, Holmes left.....