Umm, sure, especially since you said you would not be conversing with me on this subject.
LLoyd, also read through the end of your post where you begin judging Christians...after saying you "truly dont tend to judge people". Can I make some observations? Can I ask a few questions?
Well, being that the % of people who are rich enough to afford a new Lexus SUV, I'd have to say that particular brand of Christian would have to be fairly low.
1) What percentage of Christians do you believe actually fit this broad brushed stroke you just painted...Lexus SUVs, Right winged, stingy with the poor, hypocrites?
Oh, it's different for sure. The guy living under the bridge most likely never had the wealth or opportunity that these mean people had. They have the same mentality that Mitt Romney exhibited, which was that all those getting hand outs are slackers who don't ever put in any effort; that anyone not well off can be explained away as just being lazy, thus, those with wealth all deserve it, because they are not lazy like the homeless.
2) Of this percentage, how many of these people do you actually know well? Did you experience their trauma, their problems, walk in their shoes? Do you have a firm footing with which to judge these people? Is it ok to judge these people, but not the alcoholic living under the bridge? Why is it different?
Actually, allopathic medicine actually is a farce, in many ways. But I'm not sure what your point is.
3) If there are sick people within a hospital, does that mean that medicine is a lie? Does it mean the nurses, clerks, techs and doctors are hypcrites and liars even if some of those people don't get well? What if they leave the hospital sick, and spread their infection to others? Does that make medicine a farce?
That's simply your beliefs, nothing stated can be taken as fact. I will give just one little nugget. Christians tell me that God is all loving and all powerful. OK, that means he is full of love and can control each and everything. Then tell me why he allows so much suffering and despair in the world. Would an all loving, all powerful God allow so much misery? That doesn't seem very loving to me. And since he is all powerful, why allow so much suffering? If I were all powerful, I would make people's lives so much more pleasant.
Can you allow me to share a few things? Not all Christians are right winged, Lexus driving, Bible banging, door to door, judgmental, bigoted hypocrites. But, even if there are some...or even a majority it doesn't negate the underlying truth...that there is a God who created you and me. It doesn't mean that Jesus Christ is a "fairy tale" from Egyptian mythology. It doesn't mean the values of New Covenant Biblical faith are not wonderful things to embrace.
I have a theory...let me run it by you. If you disagree so be it.
OK, look, you might be a fine person, and not resemble the people I described, at all. The only thing I took issue with was when you said you had to "chuckle" at my sources, while your source is 100% unscientific requiring one to turn off independent thought. And I have no problem with that, if that is your choice, but for you to "chuckle" at sources seems a little out of line. And you are right: In now way are the people I described the "norm" of Christians, as most don't have that kind of $ to begin with, but that is what I see where I live; it's a wealthy town full of people driving Mercedes, Lexus, Jaguars to the point where those are the most common cars. We have a Catholic Church down the street that added a multi-million $ addition, not that it really needed it, but, what they heck, they could afford to do it so they did. This way, the wealthy parishioners can enjoy their grand, brand new, massive new section for mass. But I digress. No, the majority of Christians don't resemble these comments, but the ones that do, many who live in my town, do. I find it extra offensive that these people think they can be mean and ruthless to most people they come across and think that by going to mass and giving the church a few bucks each week, they are covered with God. I don't buy that. And they also hide under the "we all sin, that's why Jesus died on the cross" and that makes their self-centered lives OK, since <shrugs shoulders> we all sin, so their transgressions against fellow man are just part of their sinning - which everyone does any ways. And, oh, they gave $ to the shelter on Thanksgiving, so that really has them covered. Oh, and let's not forget: They put that fish/Jesus symbol on the back of their luxury SUV, so, man oh man, they got the God thing totally covered, no matter how poorly they treat others.
Men have used the things of God for their own purposes. It was one of the main things Jesus Christ fought against. Some of the thing you have pointed out have some validity. I believe Jesus himself would agree with you on some of your points. People in general (not just Christians) are self centered, money hungry, and not really all that concerned with those around them who are not friends or relatives. People (not just Christians) are inconsistent, and hypocritical and often prejudice and bigoted. I don't know if I have met too many that couldn't own some of this.
The problem...why do Christians get the bad rap? Because, you go to church and in many churches people wear masks. Some of them are not real (of course that goes for non Christians as well). But, when they claim a higher standard of living...point fingers and do not live a life of love and giving...welp that is when other people fight back. Then you have man made systems around the things of God...things used to control power and money....things Jesus fought against. People SHOULD buck against that as well. People of faith should buck against these systems of control and fear.
So, lloyd I would imagine you have judged me according to some prejudice you have in your head. I would bet there is much we can agree on.
Personally, I don't negate what I believe to be truth because people have tried to warp it....because many don't live it....because many are too sick to rise out of these man made systems. I think it's important to realize who you are truly angry with, instead of painting broad brushed strokes on a whole group of people.
That's just my 2 cents take it for what it's worth.
In my life experience, I have found that when someone is quick to bring up how Christian they are, it's time to run and put both hands on your wallet. Those who race to announcing how cool they are with Jesus tend to be questionable in their character. Not every one of them, of course. But far too many. Oh, and just one more unreal hypocrisy: Can you tell me how one can be a practicing Christian and be supportive of unneeded wars? Would Jesus ever be in favor of that? War that are prosperous for the bankers and their bedfellows, at the expense of the common man and poor. And yet, republican Christians "support our troops" which they think means to support the immoral wars, which is the furthest thing from the truth. When W Bush got his daily military updates, each one had a different passage from the Bible on the cover. That is beyond twisted. What a complete moron and idiot, to roll like that.