All Training Camp we heard what a beast this guy is/was.......I have hardly seen him out there.
All I see is Casey wobbling around out there
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All Training Camp we heard what a beast this guy is/was.......I have hardly seen him out there.
All I see is Casey wobbling around out there
That is what I want to know too. Maybe he accidentally spilled LeBeau's Geritol? He looked really good in the preseason and now we see nothing except barely can move Casey. Just another item to add to the list of "what the f*** is LeBeau doing?"
However I'm sure we will hear the real reason is that he is "not stout against the run." That seems to be what we hear about every player being misused or underutilized.
[QUOTE=SidSmythe;525522]All Training Camp we heard what a beast this guy is/was.......I have hardly seen him out there.
All I see is Casey wobbling around out there[/QUOTE]
I've been wondering the same thing. He played too well at the end of last season to be sitting on the bench. I just checked his stats and he has only played in one game and has no tackles, assists or sacks. Is he hurt?
well, fatarse caey was good 5 years ago so we will be going with him and his fatarse contract(the one i said he never should have gotten because he isnt effective anymore but the lemmings told me i wasnt a real fan for saying that)
I thought Casey looked huge too. And by huge, I mean even bigger than normal !
Same thing here. Casey has been a force on our defense, but he's about done. I'd like to see McClendon play more. He needs to start getting reps for the future and Casey may be healthier at the end of the season and (fingers crossed) the playoffs if he dosn't play as much.
McLendon played a total of three snaps against the Raiders and Cameron Heyward played five snaps. no wonder our DL was so tired in the 4th quarter...
[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;525569]McLendon played a total of three snaps against the Raiders and Cameron Heyward played five snaps. no wonder our DL was so tired in the 4th quarter...[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. I think Keisel is a year or so from really slowing down as well. I think Heyward getting more playing time will not only help us this year, because Keisel will be fresher late in games, but in the long run by Heyward getting reps.
Reminds me of McFadden sitting out all preseason and then getting the start in the first game and getting burned.
Maybe McClendon wasn't doing his job when he was getting pressure.
training camp hype machine
we've heard similar things with some others too
hood, allen, batch timmons etc tec
[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;525569]McLendon played a total of three snaps against the Raiders and Cameron Heyward played five snaps. no wonder our DL was so tired in the 4th quarter...[/QUOTE]
...and who makes those decisions that keeps these guys off the field??????????
So a 2nd year, 1st round draft choice can't get on the field for more than 5 snaps in a game where the D is putrid, getting pushed around like high schoolers, McFadden runs for over 100, and there is 0 pressure? Something is seriously wrong here. Either Heyward was a reach in the draft or he's being seriously underutilized. I can't imagine he couldn't have been brought in for more snaps just to rest the starters at a minimum. They had drives of 10, 11, 9 , 9 plays in the second half.
[QUOTE=Ghost;525635]So a 2nd year, 1st round draft choice can't get on the field for more than 5 snaps in a game where the D is putrid, getting pushed around like high schoolers, McFadden runs for over 100, and there is 0 pressure? Something is seriously wrong here. Either Heyward was a reach in the draft or he's being seriously underutilized. I can't imagine he couldn't have been brought in for more snaps just to rest the starters at a minimum. They had drives of 10, 11, 9 , 9 plays in the second half.[/QUOTE] $$$$ I know the DL's "main job" in this defense is to occupy blockers, but we are in serious need of some playmakers right now. McLendon and Heyward might actually get pressure on the QB at times, or knock a ball down, or force a fumble. You know that old Casey is no longer going to do that, and so far, Hood has been pushed around like a dust mop. GET SOME OF THE OTHER GUYS IN, and at least give them a chance. If they suck, too, you can always pull them back out.
[QUOTE=NJ-STEELER;525608]training camp hype machine
we've heard similar things with some others too
hood, allen, batch timmons etc tec[/QUOTE]
how could you say that about McClendon? I think this has more to do with the great DL benching him for Casey(I was a fan) who clearly didn't show anything in preseason to prove he was ready for game time.
[QUOTE=BradshawsHairdresser;525636]$$$$ I know the DL's "main job" in this defense is to occupy blockers, but we are in serious need of some playmakers right now. McLendon and Heyward might actually get pressure on the QB at times, or knock a ball down, or force a fumble. You know that old Casey is no longer going to do that, and so far, Hood has been pushed around like a dust mop. GET SOME OF THE OTHER GUYS IN, and [B]at least give them a chance. If they suck, too, you can always pull them back out.[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree... but I think DL loves his vets so much he doesn't want to hurt their feelings....
We watched Farrior stay on the field too long in passing situations before finally demoting him.
Regular season game time is different.
McClendon was battling against guys likely just coasting through the preseason, established G and Cs. He got the jump on a few, but now they bear down. He's not big enough to man up that spot all game and it was likely seen in game 1.
Hampton is still holding the spot til Ta'Amu figures it out and gets a full professional year in the weight room. If he doesn't, we are in trouble. McClendon is likely not the long term answer, just the backup.
When McClendon was in the game vs Raiders, he was pushing his guy back 2-5 yards EVERY snap. Looked awesome! However we hardly saw him.......
[QUOTE=feltdizz;525638]I agree... but I think DL loves his vets so much he doesn't want to hurt their feelings....
We watched Farrior stay on the field too long in passing situations before finally demoting him.[/QUOTE]
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. LeBeau is too emotionally attached to "his baby" to be capable of fixing the problems. He has always been overly reliant on older players who know his system best even if they weren't the best athletes. Well has anyone seen our overly complex defense fool anyone recently except for maybe ourseleves?
[QUOTE=aggiebones;525651]Regular season game time is different.
McClendon was battling against guys likely just coasting through the preseason, established G and Cs. He got the jump on a few, but now they bear down. He's not big enough to man up that spot all game and it was likely seen in game 1.
Hampton is still holding the spot til Ta'Amu figures it out and gets a full professional year in the weight room. If he doesn't, we are in trouble. McClendon is likely not the long term answer, just the backup.[/QUOTE]
McClendon looked very good at the end of last year. He wasn't playing against guys that were just coasting then.
[QUOTE=feltdizz;525638]I agree... but I think DL loves his vets so much he doesn't want to hurt their feelings....
We watched Farrior stay on the field too long in passing situations before finally demoting him.[/QUOTE]
He has always liberally subbed for Casey.
There was a lot of time spent in a passing defense, and for reasons that are incomprehensible to me, Ziggy "No Push" Hood never leaves the field on passing downs.
[QUOTE=Ghost;525635]So a 2nd year, 1st round draft choice can't get on the field for more than 5 snaps in a game where the D is putrid, getting pushed around like high schoolers, McFadden runs for over 100, and there is 0 pressure? Something is seriously wrong here. Either Heyward was a reach in the draft or he's being seriously underutilized. I can't imagine he couldn't have been brought in for more snaps just to rest the starters at a minimum. They had drives of 10, 11, 9 , 9 plays in the second half.[/QUOTE]
Heyward has done nothing to distinguish. OTOH, McLendon has often stood-out this preseason. Unless we (as fans) aren't taking certain things under consideration, MCLENDON is the one you should be talking about getting on the field.
[QUOTE=Shoe;525663]Heyward has done nothing to distinguish. OTOH, McLendon has often stood-out this preseason. Unless we (as fans) aren't taking certain things under consideration, MCLENDON is the one you should be talking about getting on the field.[/QUOTE]
Heyward has had limited playing time, but somehow has as many sacks as Hood, Keisel, Timmons, Carter and Worilds put together...
And he is the one with limited playing time?
I think the Nose Tackle comes off the field more often these days, but I just don't see how Casey is staynig on the field most of the time.
The only thing I can put my finger on is the Steelers are trying to justify his salary!!
[QUOTE=Shoe;525663]Heyward has done nothing to distinguish. OTOH, McLendon has often stood-out this preseason. Unless we (as fans) aren't taking certain things under consideration, MCLENDON is the one you should be talking about getting on the field.[/QUOTE]
Don't disagree with you Shoe about seeing more of McClendon but it doesn't change what I said a bit. A first round draft choice in his second year not seeing the field when the guys in front of him are doing nothing is head scratching. He would have to immediately throw himself to the ground and curl up like a possum to be worse than Hood. It's not worth it to get him some playing time and see if he gets in a rhythm? The raiders scored on 5 consecutive possesions - for the love of all that's good and holy, try something/anything new.
[QUOTE=Ghost;525677]Don't disagree with you Shoe about seeing more of McClendon but it doesn't change what I said a bit. A first round draft choice in his second year not seeing the field when the guys in front of him are doing nothing is head scratching. He would have to immediately throw himself to the ground and curl up like a possum to be worse than Hood. It's not worth it to get him some playing time and see if he gets in a rhythm? The raiders scored on 5 consecutive possesions - for the love of all that's good and holy, try something/anything new.[/QUOTE]
You're right.
All I want is to see the guys I happen to think can make a difference on the field. I think McLendon can. My personal feeling (and obviously I hope I'm wrong) is that Heyward is no better than Hood, and probably worse. So that's why I don't necessarily care to see him out there.
I see McLendon bringing a does of fire and POWER that would be an immediate upgrade over Hampton's knowledge.
[QUOTE=SidSmythe;525522]All Training Camp we heard what a beast this guy is/was.......I have hardly seen him out there.
All I see is Casey wobbling around out there[/QUOTE]
That's how DL rolls. Kind of like Clint Hurdle with Rod Barajas....Old dudes must like old dudes.
[QUOTE=Shoe;525681]You're right.
All I want is to see the guys I happen to think can make a difference on the field. I think McLendon can. My personal feeling (and obviously I hope I'm wrong) is that Heyward is no better than Hood, and probably worse. So that's why I don't necessarily care to see him out there.
I see McLendon bringing a does of fire and POWER that would be an immediate upgrade over Hampton's knowledge.[/QUOTE]
How much knowledge does it really take to play 3-4 NT....I mean come on.
What makes me believe there is more than meets the eye (Lebeau senility?) is that when Heyward gets PT...he plays well. When Hood is playing as poorly as he is playing, why would you not sit him? Why would you not get Heyward on the field?
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;525683]How much knowledge does it really take to play 3-4 NT....I mean come on.[/QUOTE]
Um should I shoot the right A gap...or the left A gap? Yeah, seems like rocket science to me but what do I know.
[QUOTE=Shawn;525686]Um should I shoot the right A gap...or the left A gap? Yeah, seems like rocket science to me but what do I know.[/QUOTE]
I wanna know what the deal is with Ta'amu. Dude is 370 pounds of solid muscle with legs the size of tree trunks. In college he sometimes struggled in the 4-3 where the goal is pretty much to get to the QB or blow up run plays in the backfield where the primary goal of the 3-4 NT is to basically push the C backward blowing up the play/pocket and commanding a double team so LB's are freed up to make plays. This kid can't put his paw on the ground and push C's backward one on one? I don't get it.
[QUOTE=SidSmythe;525675]I think the Nose Tackle comes off the field more often these days, but I just don't see how Casey is staynig on the field most of the time.
The only thing I can put my finger on is the Steelers are trying to justify his salary!![/QUOTE]
Is it because the teams are going hurry-up against us? Do they wait until they see Hampton on the field and decide they aren't letting him leave? If so then LeBeau has to make some adjustments fast.
[QUOTE=ikestops85;525695]Is it because the teams are going hurry-up against us? Do they wait until they see Hampton on the field and decide they aren't letting him leave? If so then LeBeau has to make some adjustments fast.[/QUOTE]
IMO Hampton should fake an injury anytime a team goes hurry up and he us gassed.
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;525693]I wanna know what the deal is with Ta'amu. Dude is 370 pounds of solid muscle with legs the size of tree trunks. In college he sometimes struggled in the 4-3 where the goal is pretty much to get to the QB or blow up run plays in the backfield where the primary goal of the 3-4 NT is to basically push the C backward blowing up the play/pocket and commanding a double team so LB's are freed up to make plays. This kid can't put his paw on the ground and push C's backward one on one? I don't get it.[/QUOTE]
In what I saw of him in preseason action, he did not look impressive. Also haven't heard any buzz about Ta'amu impressing in practice.
I think he's a project.
[QUOTE=phillyesq;525700]In what I saw of him in preseason action, he did not look impressive. Also haven't heard any buzz about Ta'amu impressing in practice.
I think he's a project.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Everything I read was that he was struggling to grasp the concepts and working on improving technique.
Plus there is that mandatory "intern" period for rookies on defense;)
[QUOTE=Shoe;525681]You're right.
All I want is to see the guys I happen to think can make a difference on the field. I think McLendon can. My personal feeling (and obviously I hope I'm wrong) is that Heyward is no better than Hood, and probably worse.[/QUOTE]
How could he be worse than Ziggy is right now? I think that Ziggy is a good player, but he is currently playing like doggy doo...
[QUOTE=Slapstick;525664]Heyward has had limited playing time, but somehow has as many sacks as Hood, Keisel, Timmons, Carter and Worilds put together...
And he is the one with limited playing time?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Slapstick;525709]How could he be worse than Ziggy is right now? I think that Ziggy is a good player, but he is currently playing like doggy doo...[/QUOTE]
I think Ziggy is getting "chipped" a lot and seeing a lot of double teams because they no longer have to worry about our NT Casey Hampton. There were several times that I remember from the last game where Ziggy was going against the OT and the Guard was looking around to take a shot at him. Typically the Center or one Guard seem to be able to handle Hampton.