Bowe signed an extension of 5 for 56 million. Anyone still think Wallace doesn't get Vjax money?
Bowe signed an extension of 5 for 56 million. Anyone still think Wallace doesn't get Vjax money?
That's a crazy contract for Bowe. If Wallace is able to use that as the benchmark, he could easily get $10-12 million per season.
Ridiculous. They really need to lower ticket prices. You figure the money is there for these guys to get these crazy contracts so it either goes to the players or the owners, but they need to cut ticket prices so it stays with the fans.
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;551593]Ridiculous. They really need to lower ticket prices. You figure the money is there for these guys to get these crazy contracts so it either goes to the players or the owners, but they need to cut ticket prices so it stays with the fans.[/QUOTE]
That would be nice for once.
[B]Dwayne Bowe signs 5-year, $56 million contract with Chiefs[/B]
By Randy Booth on Mar 5 2013
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[B]Bowe will earn a guaranteed $26 million.[/B]
Dwayne Bowe is now a top-five receiver in the NFL -- at least when it comes to his salary.
Bowe's new deal with the Kansas City Chiefs is for $56 million over five years, according to CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora. A total of $26 million is guaranteed and he'll make, on average, $11 million per season.
His signing bonus is $15 million, according to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport. He'll make $36 million over the first three seasons.
This makes the market interesting for the remaining wide receivers on the market, like Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Percy Harvin and Wes Welker.
Bowe's new contract puts him into elite contract status. His $26 million guaranteed is in the top five in the league for wide receivers, right with Vincent Jackson -- who was also guaranteed $26 million when he signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Jackson signed a five-year, $55.55 million deal before the 2012 season.
Detroit's Calvin Johnson ($48.75 million guaranteed), Houston's Andre Johnson ($48 million) and Arizona's Larry Fitzgerald ($27 million) are the only receivers with more guaranteed money.
[URL]http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/5/4066700/dwayne-bowe-contract-terms-chiefs[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;551593]Ridiculous. They really need to lower ticket prices. You figure the money is there for these guys to get these crazy contracts so it either goes to the players or the owners, but they need to cut ticket prices so it stays with the fans.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the ticket prices have too much of an impact. I thought that most of the money came from TV advertising.
[QUOTE=phillyesq;551598]I don't think the ticket prices have too much of an impact. I thought that most of the money came from TV advertising.[/QUOTE]
The ticket prices have an inverse relationship. The ticket prices are just icing on the cake for the Owners. I believe the ticket sales stay with the team, but the television deals have to be split among the teams in a revenue split.
[QUOTE=phillyesq;551598]I don't think the ticket prices have too much of an impact. I thought that most of the money came from TV advertising.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter. Bottom line is the money is there that they could drop the cost of tickets.
With concession prices and parking prices through the roof, its not the cost of the ticket that kills you, its the cost of the overall experience of going to a game now.
No sence whining about it. Most fans are disgruntled by how the league is being run, but as long as we continue to support the league, prices will continue to rise. The way the game is played will continue to be tampered with. There appears to be no limit to what us fans will put up with. Until the NFL sees a decline in revenue there is no reason for them to decrease ticket prices. The fans are in total control of the NFL. We just dont realize it.
BTW, as for the original topic. Im not surprised Bowe cashed in, and I wont be surprised when Wallace cashes in either. I also wont be surprised if Wallace is out of the league in 3 years.
How does KC locking up their #1 WR for Alex Smith prove Wallace will get a huge pay day? I could see if this was a new team but all this really proves is KC loves Bowe and there is one less team on the market looking for a high profile WR.
I think Wallace my get a little more than we offered but not much.
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;551593]Ridiculous. They really need to lower ticket prices. You figure the money is there for these guys to get these crazy contracts so it either goes to the players or the owners, but they need to cut ticket prices so it stays with the fans.[/QUOTE]
Most rich owners are greedy sons of biotches. They only want things to go one way: They get richer and F everyone else. They will continue to go that way until fans stop showing up. Only then will they agree to lower ticket prices. The Jags never bothered to fix their defunct drinking fountains but would gladly sell you $5 bottles of water in the oppressive heat. Why would Weaver care; he was making tons of money on selling bottled water. THAT is the mentality of NFL owners.
Well, this thread got derailed quick.
Wallace will get paid. Other teams will value what he brings more than the Steelers.
Yet to be determined who is making the right decision, but unlike popular belief, Chadman is not convinced the Steelers got it right.
[QUOTE=feltdizz;551606]How does KC locking up their #1 WR for Alex Smith prove Wallace will get a huge pay day? I could see if this was a new team but all this really proves is KC loves Bowe and there is one less team on the market looking for a high profile WR.
I think Wallace my get a little more than we offered but not much.[/QUOTE]
Wow. You don't think agents use other contracts as a basis for their demands? Do you think Bowe is a better receiver than Wallace? Bowe getting Vjax money sets the table for Wallace to ask the same. No one in their right mind thinks Bowe is a better receiver than Wallace.
Why do you think Flacco demanded to be paid 100,000 year a more than Drew Brees? Other contracts for the same position sets the market for other players at that position.
[QUOTE=Chadman;551611]Well, this thread got derailed quick.
Wallace will get paid. Other teams will value what he brings more than the Steelers.
Yet to be determined who is making the right decision, but unlike popular belief, Chadman is not convinced the Steelers got it right.[/QUOTE]
Sugar is with Chadman on this one...
[QUOTE=BigRob;551612]Wow. You don't think agents use other contracts as a basis for their demands? Do you think Bowe is a better receiver than Wallace? Bowe getting Vjax money sets the table for Wallace to ask the same. No one in their right mind thinks Bowe is a better receiver than Wallace.
Why do you think Flacco demanded to be paid 100,000 year a more than Drew Brees? Other contracts for the same position sets the market for other players at that position.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea if Bowe is better... I know Wallace is faster.
Flacco and Bowe resigned with their teams... this doesnt set the market IMO. I think the first WR to sign with a new team will set the market.
[QUOTE=feltdizz;551619]Flacco and Bowe resigned with their teams... this doesnt set the market IMO. I think the first WR to sign with a new team will set the market.[/QUOTE]
disagree.
of course bowes contract will be used by wallaces agent. It won't matter at all just because bowe resigned with KC.
Wallace will get his money, in the ballpark of what Jackson and Bowe received. How much was the difference between Wallace and Jackson in the first place. Don't know if its accurate but the Steelers offered 10 mill a year so the difference was what about 5 mill? If so I wonder if the Steelers proposed an incentive laden deal to make up the difference in what he was asking and what they were offering.
At any rate, I might be a loner here but IMO Wallace is a playmaker, wished we could of signed him. The Steelers might have rushed to judgement by signing Brown, instead they closed the door on any possibility of retaining Mike.
[QUOTE]At any rate, I might be a loner here but IMO Wallace is a playmaker, wished we could of signed him. The Steelers might have rushed to judgement by signing Brown, instead they closed the door on any possibility of retaining Mike.[/QUOTE]
You are not alone.
[QUOTE=Chadman;551631]You are not alone.[/QUOTE]
agreed, not alone
VJAx set the market rate, Bowe added a couple bucks to it, and Wallace will do the same to the contract Bowe got. That's the way the league works. We always think teams overpay for everyone, but 3 years down the road that overpaid contract isn't even top 10 anymore.
[QUOTE=D Rock;551634]agreed, not alone
VJAx set the market rate, Bowe added a couple bucks to it, and Wallace will do the same to the contract Bowe got. That's the way the league works. We always think teams overpay for everyone, but 3 years down the road that overpaid contract isn't even top 10 anymore.[/QUOTE]
I'm down too. Mike is going to make bank in a big way and I congratulate him for it. I really wish it could have been with the Steelers.
Regardless of how anyone feels in regards to Wallace, that 'danger' he brings, coupled with the 'danger' that Mendenhall could provide- guys that were a threat to score from any point on the field- is going to have to be replaced, or at the least, compensated for. The Steelers offense, regardless of the skill of the individuals still on the team, is not as dangerous next season, as it stands.
If the Steelers cannot find a 'threat' or 2 to opposition defenses, the Steelers are likely to see a compressed field, making the dink & dunk Haley offense that much more difficult to execute.
Next year might be tough.
[QUOTE=Chadman;551640]Regardless of how anyone feels in regards to Wallace, that 'danger' he brings, coupled with the 'danger' that Mendenhall could provide- guys that were a threat to score from any point on the field- is going to have to be replaced, or at the least, compensated for. The Steelers offense, regardless of the skill of the individuals still on the team, is not as dangerous next season, as it stands.
If the Steelers cannot find a 'threat' or 2 to opposition defenses, the Steelers are likely to see a compressed field, making the dink & dunk Haley offense that much more difficult to execute.
Next year might be tough.[/QUOTE]
Add to that a Defense that is getting older and going to possibly lose some talent as well. The team will need the Offense to actualy score more and as it appears now, they will not be in a position to be any better than this year.
Tough indeed...
[QUOTE=Chadman;551640]Regardless of how anyone feels in regards to Wallace, that 'danger' he brings, coupled with the 'danger' that Mendenhall could provide- guys that were a threat to score from any point on the field- is going to have to be replaced, or at the least, compensated for. The Steelers offense, regardless of the skill of the individuals still on the team, is not as dangerous next season, as it stands.
If the Steelers cannot find a 'threat' or 2 to opposition defenses, the Steelers are likely to see a compressed field, making the dink & dunk Haley offense that much more difficult to execute.
Next year might be tough.[/QUOTE]
On the flip side, football is about the trenches. What if we could solidify our OLine and Ben/Haley get on the same page and get into a rhythm which seemed to be where they were headed.
I still think BPA at 17 might be a top OT that's too good to pass up. If we got a top tackle and the line started crushing it, any old WR/RB will do.
We were ok with Hines/ARE/Ced and FWP as our weapons for XL. We just need Ben and a Defense and we'll be fine. If we can start protecting Ben with a better OLIne and play calling, that may be all we need.
[QUOTE=flippy;551649]We were ok with Hines/ARE/Ced and FWP as our weapons for XL. We just need Ben and a Defense and we'll be fine. If we can start protecting Ben with a better OLIne and play calling, that may be all we need.[/QUOTE]
FWP was a home run threat unlike anything this O will have without Wallace or Mendy. For XL, we also had the Bus and not just "a Defense," but one that made splash plays.
wallace never deserved the animosity he received here. Speaking in his defense resulted in accusations of "manlove" and invitations to follow other teams.
the reality is that wallace did exactly what you are supposed to do in this league. Put up numbers each and every year.
he isn't any more to blame for not being a steeler as the FO in this one. Sure would be nice to have some of the ridiculous money they handed to willie colon right now.
[QUOTE=Eddie Spaghetti;551658]wallace never deserved the animosity he received here. Speaking in his defense resulted in accusations of "manlove" and invitations to follow other teams.
the reality is that wallace did exactly what you are supposed to do in this league. Put up numbers each and every year.
he isn't any more to blame for not being a steeler as the FO in this one. Sure would be nice to have some of the ridiculous money they handed to willie colon right now.[/QUOTE]
You got that right brother...
[QUOTE=flippy;551649]On the flip side, football is about the trenches. What if we could solidify our OLine and Ben/Haley get on the same page and get into a rhythm which seemed to be where they were headed.
I still think BPA at 17 might be a top OT that's too good to pass up. If we got a top tackle and the line started crushing it, any old WR/RB will do.
We were ok with Hines/ARE/Ced and FWP as our weapons for XL. We just need Ben and a Defense and we'll be fine. If we can start protecting Ben with a better OLIne and play calling, that may be all we need.[/QUOTE]
That's fair points Flip, and the last thing Chadman wants right now is for this to desolve into another Wallace/Brown argument.
Having a dominant OL is great, but at the same time, that's 5 guys. If the WR's & RB's pose no threat to strech the defense, they'll chuck 8 guys in the box, and regardless of how good the OL is, that's tough to counter.
Even tougher when your star RB might be J Dwyer, who is a marginal starter.
The Steelers will need to create some kind of threat to opponants defenses, just to spread the field out a bit & allow them to take advantage of the 'agile' WR's they have in Brown & Sanders, and give guys like Dwyer & Redman as much room as they can to succeed.
It was 'easy' to spread fields with a guy like Wallace. Easier if you could compliment that with a dangerous runner (which Mendy was, prior to 2012). Now the Steelers need to find that threat from somewhere, as both those pieces are moving on.
[QUOTE=Eddie Spaghetti;551658]wallace never deserved the animosity he received here. Speaking in his defense resulted in accusations of "manlove" and invitations to follow other teams.
the reality is that wallace did exactly what you are supposed to do in this league. Put up numbers each and every year.
he isn't any more to blame for not being a steeler as the FO in this one. Sure would be nice to have some of the ridiculous money they handed to willie colon right now.[/QUOTE]
You couldn't be more wrong. How obvious was it that he was a bad apple and had a bad attitude last year? How obvious was it that he wasn't giving a true, full effort? If you couldn't see that, I am not sure your eyes work.
[QUOTE=Chadman;551673]That's fair points Flip, and the last thing Chadman wants right now is for this to desolve into another Wallace/Brown argument.
Having a dominant OL is great, but at the same time, that's 5 guys. If the WR's & RB's pose no threat to strech the defense, they'll chuck 8 guys in the box, and regardless of how good the OL is, that's tough to counter.
Even tougher when your star RB might be J Dwyer, who is a marginal starter.
The Steelers will need to create some kind of threat to opponants defenses, just to spread the field out a bit & allow them to take advantage of the 'agile' WR's they have in Brown & Sanders, and give guys like Dwyer & Redman as much room as they can to succeed.
It was 'easy' to spread fields with a guy like Wallace. Easier if you could compliment that with a dangerous runner (which Mendy was, prior to 2012). Now the Steelers need to find that threat from somewhere, as both those pieces are moving on.[/QUOTE]
Free agency nor the draft have even started yet, and we are already assuming we will have no players who can stretch the field? By the time kick off of week one, we will have both a WR and RB who have more speed than we do right now.
[B]Mike Wallace, not Greg Jennings, Miami Dolphins' biggest target[/B]
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MW might not be appreciated here, but that apparently isn't the case everywhere...
[QUOTE=lloydroid;551736]Free agency nor the draft have even started yet, and we are already assuming we will have no players who can stretch the field? By the time kick off of week one, we will have both a WR and RB who have more speed than we do right now.[/QUOTE]
Assuming you mean they are coming in via the draft, how much impact will a rookie actually have?
Actually, this has partly been Chadman's argument about Wallace & Mendenhall all along. In order to fill the void of them leaving, the Steelers are now 'forced' to find replacements. They now, realistically, NEED to add a field stretching WR & an everydown RB, because those players are not obvious among the players currently on the roster.
Since when have the Steelers had to draft for immediate need?
[QUOTE=BigRob;551586]Bowe signed an extension of 5 for 56 million. Anyone still think Wallace doesn't get Vjax money?[/QUOTE]
The issue was never what he could "get".
The issue is what is he WORTH in term of winning?
The Steelers have 7 rings. Other teams spend too much on receivers and go nowhere.
Arizona went to th SB with Fitz and Boldin.
Fitz got his payday, lesser paid Boldin moved on and got a ring because the Ravens are balanced and not so stupid to overpay a single receiver.
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When was the last time that a elite paid receiver was on a team that won a SB?
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Some dumb team will sign Wallace for way more than he is worth. [/SIZE]
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[QUOTE=Captain Lemming;551970]The issue was never what he could "get".
The issue is what is he WORTH in term of winning?
The Steelers have 7 rings. Other teams spend too much on receivers and go nowhere.
Arizona went to th SB with Fitz and Boldin.
Fitz got his payday, lesser paid Boldin moved on and got a ring because the Ravens are balanced and not so stupid to overpay a single receiver.
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When was the last time that a elite paid receiver was on a team that won a SB?
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Some dumb team will sign Wallace for way more than he is worth. [/SIZE]
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It wasn't a question of worth. A lot of people believed Wallace was crazy to expect Vjax money. It appears very likely, however, he will exceed VJax's money just a year one year later.
The question of his worth is a different question and very debatable.
I think most fans thought Wallace was crazy to expect big money from US. Most people said he would probaby get it from a team with no chance to contend and I think its an accurate statement.
[QUOTE=feltdizz;552063]I think most fans thought Wallace was crazy to expect big money from US. Most people said he would probaby get it from a team with no chance to contend and I think its an accurate statement.[/QUOTE]
Accurate! No one doubted that there is a team that would overpay and make a bad investment. There are every year.
I'm thinking Wallace will get in the neighborhood of 12 mil avg from the Dolphins. I'm also thinking half way through the second year of the contract, Ross won't be welcome in his own neighborhood.
lol.
the wallace detractors change their argument again.
[QUOTE=Eddie Spaghetti;552071]lol.
the wallace detractors change their argument again.[/QUOTE]
What changed? The argument has always been he isn't worth VJax money or Fitzgerald money. What do you think changed?
[QUOTE=Eddie Spaghetti;552071]lol.
the wallace detractors change their argument again.[/QUOTE]
Remember those who brought up why he won't draw much interest this year cause of the lack of I retest last year. Citing that giving up a #1 draft choice wasnt as big a deal as first thought