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[QUOTE=Siggy00;556425]"There's no knock (against him)," Mayock added. "His arm strength is what I thought it was. It's good. It's just not elite."
NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout, wasn't as sold on Barkley's arm talent. "You just want to see a little more giddy up to use a baseball term," Jeremiah said. "You want to see a little more life on his fastball.
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Terrific, another Philip Rivers minus the meat head.[/QUOTE]
You mean like Jamarcus Russell arm strength? Or Jeff George arm strength? No thanks. This kid has the it factor. And it starts with what those elite arms lacked. What is between his ears. 8 years as starter in a pro style offense.
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[QUOTE=feltdizz;556423]LOL... its not back tracking buddy... you asked for proof that scouts questioned his arm strength before the injury... I provided proof. Then you said you were talking about below average arm strength... I have no idea where that assessment came from.
You can spin all you want but scouts have questioned his arm strength from the jump.
[URL]http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000154608/matt-barkleys-usc-pro-day-draws-mixed-reviews/[/URL]
Once again... some scouts are talking about his passes fluttering in the wind.
Im in a corner... sooooo scared.[/QUOTE]
His passes fluttering in the wind? It was the deep 9 route. It happened twice yet he still got the ball to the receiver. [B]And he chose to throw in the wind[/B]. Think about that.
How many deep 9 routes are thrown in an NFL game feltdizz?
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[QUOTE=D Rock;556427]considering the downslide USC has had under his captaincy (two 5 loss seasons), culminating in a locker room brawl started when people questioned his leadership, I certainly agree that a lot is said by that.[/QUOTE]
Those 5 loss seasons weren't his fault. Look at his numbers. He flat out lit it up. The Trojans have had horrible defenses for the past couple of years and no running game.
And he didnt play in that last game. Not sure how his leadership could be questioned in a game he didnt play??? But this is an example of reading what is said and not actually watching the kid on the field.
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[QUOTE=Dee Dub;556439]His passes fluttering in the wind? It was the deep 9 route. It happened twice yet he still got the ball to the receiver. [B]And he chose to throw in the wind[/B]. Think about that.
How many deep 9 routes are thrown in an NFL game feltdizz?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the OC and the circumstances... he better play in a dome.
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[QUOTE=Siggy00;556425]"There's no knock (against him)," Mayock added. "His arm strength is what I thought it was. It's good. It's just not elite."
NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout, wasn't as sold on Barkley's arm talent. "You just want to see a little more giddy up to use a baseball term," Jeremiah said. "You want to see a little more life on his fastball.
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Terrific, another Philip Rivers minus the meat head.[/QUOTE]
I could see why Daniel Jeremiah is no longer and NFL Scout. You would think he of all people would understand that these pro days are set up for guys with elite arm strength to excel.
It is probably why he missed on the likes of Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc. And why he was so high on guys like JaMarcus Russell. Hilarious. :p
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[QUOTE=feltdizz;556441]Depends on the OC and the circumstances... he better play in a dome.[/QUOTE]
Did you see him throw today? I know you didnt. That is why you sound as one talking out the side of his neck. He was very impressive throwing the ball. And factor in he threw into a wind was even more impressive. He also deliberately chose a play set/routine that was far more difficult than what most QB's do in their pro days.
By the way he only fluttered a couple of passes today. He still competed them. And there were a couple of deep passes where the crowed actually cheered/wooed them loudly after they were caught.
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[QUOTE=Dee Dub;556444]Did you see him throw today? I know you didnt. That is why you sound as one talking out the side of his neck. He was very impressive throwing the ball. And factor in he threw into a wind was even more impressive. He also deliberately chose a play set/routine that was far more difficult than what most QB's do in their pro days.
By the way he only fluttered a couple of passes today. He still competed them. And there were a couple of deep passes where the crowed actually cheered/wooed them loudly after they were caught.[/QUOTE]
I watched some of it on NFLN... I didnt see the whole thing.
Crowds cheering at a pro day... ok.
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[B]Matt Barkley's USC pro day draws mixed reviews[/B]
By Chris Wesseling
Around the League Writer
Published: March 27, 2013
Multiple NFL executives predicted to NFL.com's Albert Breer earlier this month that USC's Matt Barkley could catch West Virginia's Geno Smith as the top quarterback leading up to the 2013 NFL draft.
After sitting out of passing drills at the NFL Scouting Combine, Barkley had an opportunity to dispel concerns about his arm strength at the Trojans' pro day Wednesday.
NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock would have liked to have seen a tighter spiral on throws that fluttered a bit against the wind, but noted that Barkley's deep-ball accuracy was a strong part of the workout.
Everything underneath and between the hashes looked "great" Mayock said. Mayock timed Barkley at 4.95 seconds and 4.97 in the 40-yard dash.
"There's no knock (against him)," Mayock added. "His arm strength is what I thought it was. It's good. It's just not elite."
NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout, wasn't as sold on Barkley's arm talent. "You just want to see a little more giddy up to use a baseball term," Jeremiah said. "You want to see a little more life on his fastball.
"There was a widespread belief that, even with his intangibles and rare football IQ, Barkley would need a great pro day to put himself in position to be the first quarterback off the board next month."
Although NFL Network analyst Charles Davis thought Barkley "did a good job," it was not enough to "knock Geno Smith off his pedestal."
[URL]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154608/article/matt-barkleys-usc-pro-day-draws-mixed-reviewshttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154608/article/matt-barkleys-usc-pro-day-draws-mixed-reviews[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Dee Dub;556442]I could see why Daniel Jeremiah is no longer and NFL Scout. You would think he of all people would understand that these pro days are set up for guys with elite arm strength to excel.
It is probably why he missed on the likes of Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc. And why he was so high on guys like JaMarcus Russell. Hilarious. :p[/QUOTE]
Everyone missed on Tom Brady... lol.
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Great article on one who actually get's it. And why this ex-QB thinks BArkley should be the number 1 overall QB taken in this draft. Here are some bits and pieces of it.
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[FONT=Verdana][B]Barkley: 41 percent completion percentage, 24 TDs, 2 INTs
[B]Luck: 43 percent, 13 TDs, 5 INTs
[B]Griffin: 38 percent, 33 TDs, 5 INTs[/B][/B][/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][B][B][B]And according to ESPN Stats & Info, Barkley was far more likely to overthrow his receivers on deep passes than underthrow them -- another point in favor of his arm strength.
More importantly, third down was an area of growth and improvement for Barkley throughout his career, and even as USC's season fell apart in 2012, Barkley's poise on third down didn't. In fact, his 2012 production surpassed his 2011 output, and his 61 percent completion rate with 11 TDs and 4 INTs equated to an NFL QB rating of 104.8 on the make-or-break down.
last two seasons Barkley's 42 touchdown passes on 116 attempts in the red zone speak loudly to the signal-caller's vast experience and productivity in that part of the field. Over that same stretch, Barkley was intercepted and sacked just three times.
Without an elite rushing attack in 2012 (the Trojans ranked 72nd in the FBS in rushing yards per game), the onus was on the passing game to finish at the end of the field where the game speeds up, the windows tighten and the field condenses. Touch, accuracy, anticipation and instincts jump off the film 20 yards and in, and no one in the history of the conference has done it better than Barkley.[/B][/B][/B][/FONT]
[B][FONT=Verdana]Barkley has completed more than 65 percent of his passes with 23 touchdowns and three interceptions when outside the pocket in his career, including 16 touchdowns on designed roll-outs.
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[/B][FONT=Verdana][B]Barkley started 47 of 51 games over his four years in Los Angeles.
[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#ffff00][FONT=Verdana]Unlike his USC QB brethren Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer and Mark Sanchez, Barkley didn't have Pete Carroll's elite defenses to lighten his burden, especially down the home stretch of his career. There was no Clay Matthews or Lofa Tatupu or Brian Cushing. No, the defenses during Barkley's stay were some of the worst statistical units in school history, and Barkley had to carry the load as a result.[/FONT]
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[URL]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9103319/2013-nfl-draft-why-matt-barkley-first-qb-taken[/URL][/B]
