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Kiper's Mock 4.0
Couldn't have said it better myself:
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Tyler Eifert *
Pittsburgh Steelers (8-8)
COLLEGE: Notre Dame
AGE: 22
HT: 6-6
WT: 250
POS: TE
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/pit.png?w=60&h=60&transparent=true[/IMG]
[B]Analysis[/B]: Really like this fit. Eifert gives the Steelers a different kind of matchup headache for defenses -- one that doesn't directly replace Mike Wallace, but adds a new dimension to the offense. In fact, he might do more to offset the loss of Wallace than another speed threat would because he allows them to diversify. [U][B]Eifert has the speed to stretch the seam and also develop routes to the edges, and can't be effectively covered by anybody. He's too tall for corners and safeties, too fast for linebackers.[/B][/U]
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I wouldn't mind the pick at all.
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he runs .1 faster than Jarvis(4.8 vs 4.9)... but, he has the speed to stretch the seam and Jarvis is a turtle... wow... rich.
Oh yea... ANOTHER Eifert thread? Jeez!
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[QUOTE=Coolie Man;557407]I wouldn't mind the pick at all.[/QUOTE]
You have to be careful, Art "The Meddler" Rooney and the golf coach wouldn't know what to do with a play making tight end, be careful what you ask for. ;)
Pappy
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why would anyone want to draft a TE in Round 1 when we just re-signed Matt Spaeth and David Johnson? :D
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[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;557428]why would anyone want to draft a TE in Round 1 when we just re-signed Matt Spaeth and David Johnson? :D[/QUOTE]
How about Johnson is worthless and Spaeth is just average and the best TE we probably ever had is 30 years old and coming off a major knee injury and won't likely be able to start the 2013 season on the active roster.
Eifert is your future at TE which is becoming a more important position in the pass first NFL
Hope that helped;)
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557446]How about Johnson is worthless and Spaeth is just average and the best TE we probably ever had is 30 years old and coming off a major knee injury and won't likely be able to start the 2013 season on the active roster.
Eifert is your future at TE which is becoming a more important position in the pass first NFL
Hope that helped;)[/QUOTE]
Who is our future ILB, FS, SS, RB, #1 WR, and #1/#2 CB?
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557446]How about Johnson is worthless and Spaeth is just average and the best TE we probably ever had is 30 years old and coming off a major knee injury and won't likely be able to start the 2013 season on the active roster.
Eifert is your future at TE which is becoming a more important position in the pass first NFL
Hope that helped;)[/QUOTE]
Eric Green???????????
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[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;557417]he runs .1 faster than Jarvis(4.8 vs 4.9)... but, he has the speed to stretch the seam and Jarvis is a turtle... wow... rich.[/QUOTE]
LOL... wow, goes to show you Kiper is a hack. I hate that dude...
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Well... so much for drafting Eifert....
Kiper mock drafts are never right... Kiprer has officially smashed all the "Eifert at 1.17" hopes and dreams.
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[QUOTE=steelz09;557449]Who is our future ILB, FS, SS, RB, #1 WR, and #1/#2 CB?[/QUOTE]
that is a great question because as of right now the answers are:
Stevenson Sylvester, Robert Golden, Damon Cromartie-Smith, Jonathan Dwyer, Antonio Brown, and Cortez Allen/Willie Gay.
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[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;557453]that is a great question because as of right now the answers are:
Stevenson Sylvester, Robert Golden, Damon Cromartie-Smith, Jonathan Dwyer, Antonio Brown, and Cortez Allen/Willie Gay.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! That makes me feel a whole lot better :)
With those names .... we are looking at a DYNASTY IN THE MAKING. Woohoo!
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[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;557453]that is a great question because as of right now the answers are:
Stevenson Sylvester, Robert Golden, Damon Cromartie-Smith, Jonathan Dwyer, Antonio Brown, and Cortez Allen/Willie Gay.[/QUOTE]
And unproven rookies who never played a down in the NFL would make you jump for joy?
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Great pick if we can get him, then RB in the 2nd and WR in the 3rd then load up on LBs and DBs with the rest of the picks with maybe 1 each of OL and DL[QUOTE=Oviedo;557404]Couldn't have said it better myself:
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Tyler Eifert *
Pittsburgh Steelers (8-8)
COLLEGE: Notre Dame
AGE: 22
HT: 6-6
WT: 250
POS: TE
[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nfl/500/pit.png?w=60&h=60&transparent=true[/IMG]
[B]Analysis[/B]: Really like this fit. Eifert gives the Steelers a different kind of matchup headache for defenses -- one that doesn't directly replace Mike Wallace, but adds a new dimension to the offense. In fact, he might do more to offset the loss of Wallace than another speed threat would because he allows them to diversify. [U][B]Eifert has the speed to stretch the seam and also develop routes to the edges, and can't be effectively covered by anybody. He's too tall for corners and safeties, too fast for linebackers.[/B][/U][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557456]And unproven rookies who never played a down in the NFL would make you jump for joy?[/QUOTE]
Yes.. they would.
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557456]And unproven rookies who never played a down in the NFL would make you jump for joy?[/QUOTE]
seems to be the reaction for all the folks who support eifert @ 1:17.
I wouldn't love the pick or hate the pick. I'm just not sure what people see in this guy that makes him so special. Seems like a luxury pick in some ways, especially if they have a good idea that miller will return to his old form.
I would almost rather have jonathan cooper at that spot if he is there. He may have a much higher ceiling than eifert, even though cooper could be considered a luxury pick as well.
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[QUOTE=Eddie Spaghetti;557461]seems to be the reaction for all the folks who support eifert @ 1:17.
I wouldn't love the pick or hate the pick. I'm just not sure what people see in this guy makes him so special. Seems like a luxury pick in some ways, especially if they have a good idea that miller will return to his own form.
I would almost rather have jonathan cooper at that spot if he is there. He may have a much higher ceiling than eifert, even though cooper could be considered a luxury pick as well.[/QUOTE]
Agreed...at least Cooper is a legit top 15 talent who could be the best player available when we pick.
Eifert is a solid player, but he's a borderline 1st/2nd rounder, and therefore would not be BPA at #17.
If we are looking for a TE, then Ertz at #48 presents much greater value than Eifert at #17.
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[QUOTE=Eddie Spaghetti;557461]seems to be the reaction for all the folks who support eifert @ 1:17.
I wouldn't love the pick or hate the pick. I'm just not sure what people see in this guy that makes him so special. Seems like a luxury pick in some ways, especially if they have a good idea that miller will return to his old form.
I would almost rather have jonathan cooper at that spot if he is there. He may have a much higher ceiling than eifert, even though cooper could be considered a luxury pick as well.[/QUOTE]
The thing that is attractive about Eifert is magnified by Heath's health concerns and the knowledge Heath is only around a couple more years. IMO Eifert could also produce from Day 1 which, I know we disagree, is something a Round 1 pick should be able to do.
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[QUOTE=steelz09;557452]Well... so much for drafting Eifert....
Kiper mock drafts are never right... Kiprer has officially smashed all the "Eifert at 1.17" hopes and dreams.[/QUOTE]
:D yep... seems like every year most of his can't miss, best players are still on the board after the first round.
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557464]The thing that is attractive about Eifert is magnified by Heath's health concerns and the knowledge Heath is only around a couple more years. IMO Eifert could also produce from Day 1 which, I know we disagree, is something a Round 1 pick should be able to do.[/QUOTE]
I get that he may contribute early, though I'm not as worried about year one as some are. What I don't get is what do you guys see that makes him special? I watch some notre dame, not a lot, and I've never come away with a sense of his great athleticism for that position. He cdrtainly never screamed 1st round, 17th pick at me.
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Ertz will be the better all around TE. Trade down and grab Lacy and Ertz.
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557464]The thing that is attractive about Eifert is magnified by Heath's health concerns and the knowledge Heath is only around a couple more years. IMO Eifert could also produce from Day 1 which, I know we disagree, is something a Round 1 pick should be able to do.[/QUOTE]
Eifert is the kind of guy we could take if we were picking in the late 20's or early 30's. If we were drafting there (or traded down to there), then I'd be overjoyed with that pick. But we are picking in the teens, a place where we don't draft often. The last 5 times we had a first round pick that started with a "1" instead of a "2" or "3", we got Maurkice Pouncey at #18 in 2010, Lawrence Timmons at #15 in 2007, Ben Roethlisberger at #11 in 2004, Troy Polamalu at #16 in 2003, and Casey Hampton at #19 in 2001. Each of those guys is a building-block type player for us. When we are picking in the teens, I want an impact player like that...the best player available to us, because we don't pick this high very often...not just a TE because our TE happens to be hurt right now.
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[QUOTE=RuthlessBurgher;557473]Eifert is the kind of guy we could take if we were picking in the late 20's or early 30's. If we were drafting there (or traded down to there), then I'd be overjoyed with that pick. But we are picking in the teens, a place where we don't draft often. The last 5 times we had a first round pick that started with a "1" instead of a "2" or "3", we got Maurkice Pouncey at #18 in 2010, Lawrence Timmons at #15 in 2007, Ben Roethlisberger at #11 in 2004, Troy Polamalu at #16 in 2003, and Casey Hampton at #19 in 2001. Each of those guys is a building-block type player for us. When we are picking in the teens, I want an impact player like that...the best player available to us, because we don't pick this high very often...not just a TE because our TE happens to be hurt right now.[/QUOTE]
What impact player do you think will be there at #17 who is really going to be a "building-block type" player? Only ones I see is if one of the top OL (Warmack, Cooper, etc) fall to that position. I don't think any of the LBs fit that description. Same with the DBs.
The names most frequentsly mentioned here like Jones, Vacarro, etc are not building-blocks. IMO Eifert is more of a building-block because he is likely a ten year starter at an increasingly important position.
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557485]What impact player do you think will be there at #17 who is really going to be a "building-block type" player? Only ones I see is if one of the top OL (Warmack, Cooper, etc) fall to that position. I don't think any of the LBs fit that description. Same with the DBs.
The names most frequentsly mentioned here like Jones, Vacarro, etc are not building-blocks. IMO Eifert is more of a building-block because he is likely a ten year starter at an increasingly important position.[/QUOTE]
If TE is an increasingly important position, than wouldn't a player drafted to stop the TE (such as Vaccaro) be just as important?
I go back and forth on Vaccaro and Jones as players, but if Vaccaro is a top-flight safety with coverage ability, or if Jones is an elite pass rushing and playmaking OLB, those are certainly building block type players.
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[QUOTE=phillyesq;557488]If TE is an increasingly important position, than wouldn't a player drafted to stop the TE (such as Vaccaro) be just as important?
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you make a great point, especially now that Cortez Allen the player we had stopping the TE last season is slated to be one of our starting CBs.
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[QUOTE=RuthlessBurgher;557473]Eifert is the kind of guy we could take if we were picking in the late 20's or early 30's. If we were drafting there (or traded down to there), then I'd be overjoyed with that pick. But we are picking in the teens, a place where we don't draft often. The last 5 times we had a first round pick that started with a "1" instead of a "2" or "3", we got Maurkice Pouncey at #18 in 2010, Lawrence Timmons at #15 in 2007, Ben Roethlisberger at #11 in 2004, Troy Polamalu at #16 in 2003, and Casey Hampton at #19 in 2001. Each of those guys is a building-block type player for us. When we are picking in the teens, I want an impact player like that...the best player available to us, because we don't pick this high very often...not just a TE because our TE happens to be hurt right now.[/QUOTE]
Here is the question: If Eifert will be as productive as Gronkowski is he worth being picked at #17?
and by the way, I am in favor of going with Jones and then Ertz (big Ertz fan) with our first 2 picks but I can see why folks are lobbying for Eifert.
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[QUOTE=ikestops85;557490]Here is the question: If Eifert will be as productive as Gronkowski is he worth being picked at #17?
and by the way, I am in favor of going with Jones and then Ertz (big Ertz fan) with our first 2 picks but I can see why folks are lobbying for Eifert.[/QUOTE]
I say yes... anybody who is going to be an "all pro" at his position is worth being picked at 17. I'm personally not convinced that you can couple a average speed TE with another average speed TE and come up with Gronk numbers.
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[B]17. Pittsburgh Steelers—TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame[/B]
One of Kiper’s most curious picks comes at No. 17, where he has the Steelers taking the best TE on the board—Notre Dame’s Tyler Eifert.
Warranted because of the devastating injury to current TE and Ben Roethlisberger favorite Heath Miller (via Chris Adamski of CBS Sports), Eifert has the athletic ability and receiver skills to take over the position full-time in a few seasons.
However, the Steelers are getting extremely thin on defense after a flurry of offseason casualties, and adding a new pass-rusher to replace the production of James Harrison shouldn’t be overlooked. While I understand Kiper’s decision to place Eifert as high as I’ve seen him in any mock, there are other positions that need filling.
[B]Kiper's Second-Round Mock[/B]
Pick Team Player School
33 Jacksonville QB Matt Barkley USC
34 San Francisco (via KC) S Matt Elam Florida
35 Philadelphia OT Menelik Watson Florida State
36 Detroit DE Bjoern Werner Florida State
37 Cincinnati (via OAK) S Shamarko Thomas Syracuse
38 Arizona DE Datone Jones UCLA
39 New York Jets TE Zach Ertz Stanford
40 Tennessee WR Keenan Allen Cal-Berkeley
41 Buffalo QB Ryan Nassib Syracuse
42 Miami DE Tank Carradine Florida State
43 Tampa Bay CB Jamar Taylor Boise State
44 Carolina S D.J. Swearinger South Carolina
45 San Diego LB Arthur Brown Kansas State
46 St. Louis RB Montee Ball Wisconsin
47 Dallas OL Justin Pugh Syracuse
[B]48 Pittsburgh OLB Cornelius Washington Georgia [/B]
49 New York Giants LB Sio Moore Connecticut
50 Chicago DT Jesse Williams Alabama
51 Washington CB Bildi Wreh-Wilson Connecticut
52 Minnesota DT Kawann Short Purdue
53 Cincinnati CB Johnthan Banks Mississippi State
54 Miami (from IND) CB Robert Alford S.E. Louisiana
55 Green Bay S J.J. Wilcox Georgia Southern
56 Seattle DT Johnathan Hankins Ohio State
57 Houston DT John Jenkins Georgia
58 Denver DE Damontre Moore Texas A&M
59 New England CB Tyrann Mathieu LSU
60 Atlanta LB Khaseem Greene Rutgers
61 San Francisco TE Gavin Escobar San Diego State
62 Baltimore OT Terron Armstead Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Note: Cleveland forfeits its second-round pick after selecting WR Josh Gordon in 2012 Supplemental draft (via NFL.com). New Orleans forfeits its second-round pick due to Bounty Gate scandal (via USA Today).
[URL]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1593163-mel-kiper-mock-draft-2013-analyzing-espn-gurus-recent-projections[/URL]
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[QUOTE=phillyesq;557488]If TE is an increasingly important position, than wouldn't a player drafted to stop the TE (such as Vaccaro) be just as important?
I go back and forth on Vaccaro and Jones as players, but [U][B]if[/B][/U] Vaccaro is a top-flight safety with coverage ability, or[B][I] [U]if[/U][/I][/B] Jones is an elite pass rushing and playmaking OLB, those are certainly building block type players.[/QUOTE]
Lots of "ifs" for these guys to be building blocks! I'm pretty certain you would get about 30 catches minimum out of Eifert his rookie year.
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[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;557499]I say yes... anybody who is going to be an "all pro" at his position is worth being picked at 17. I'm personally not convinced that you can couple a average speed TE with another average speed TE and come up with Gronk numbers.[/QUOTE]
Yeah... one thing people forget about Gronk is the system he is in.. Pats throw the ball a ton, put him at RB and spread teams out so much it makes life easy for a TE.
I don't see Gronk when I see Eifert play.. not sure what the hell anyone has seen in Eifert that makes them an All Pro.
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557607]Lots of "ifs" for these guys to be building blocks! I'm pretty certain you would get about 30 catches minimum out of Eifert his rookie year.[/QUOTE]
or we could see him get the snot knocked out of him and have the dropsies... we definitely have no idea how this kid will perform at the next level.
Quick question... how many games did you watch him play? What does he do that makes him so darn special?
Just wondering because I think he is a solid pass catching TE but I didn't see All Pro or unstoppable in college.
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[QUOTE=feltdizz;557609]or we could see him get the snot knocked out of him and have the dropsies... we definitely have no idea how this kid will perform at the next level.
Quick question... how many games did you watch him play? What does he do that makes him so darn special?
Just wondering because I think he is a solid pass catching TE but I didn't see All Pro or unstoppable in college.[/QUOTE]
Probably watch 6-7 ND games last year. Not sure what makes an All Pro in college but what I saw was a player who caught everything that was thrown to him and created a match up nightmare for defenses who clearly were keying on trying to stop him.
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[QUOTE=feltdizz;557609]or we could see him get the snot knocked out of him and have the dropsies... we definitely have no idea how this kid will perform at the next level.
Quick question... how many games did you watch him play? What does he do that makes him so darn special?
Just wondering because I think he is a solid pass catching TE but I didn't see All Pro or unstoppable in college.[/QUOTE]
Because he's freaking from ND. He's the Fighting Irish! Don't you know that automatically makes a good player = a great player especially in the media's eyes.
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;557607]Lots of "ifs" for these guys to be building blocks! I'm pretty certain you would get about 30 catches minimum out of Eifert his rookie year.[/QUOTE]
Lot of "ifs" on Vaccaro or Jones, but all of these guys come with question marks. Eifert is not without question marks. I'm pretty certain you could get 30 catches out of Paulson if you wanted to. That's not even 2 per game.
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[QUOTE=phillyesq;557614]Lot of "ifs" on Vaccaro or Jones, but all of these guys come with question marks. Eifert is not without question marks. I'm pretty certain you could get 30 catches out of Paulson if you wanted to. That's not even 2 per game.[/QUOTE]
Yep.. it really comes down to philosophy and I don't think we are going to use 2 TE's like the Pats.
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No thanks, I'll pass on Eifert.
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[QUOTE=steelz09;557452]Well... so much for drafting Eifert....
Kiper mock drafts are never right... Kiprer has officially smashed all the "Eifert at 1.17" hopes and dreams.[/QUOTE]
Truer words were never spoken. I like Kiper, because I like to think of the notion that a guy working out of his mom's basement (probably not far from the truth when he started out) could become the hallmark of ESPN's draft coverage. That being said (and watching him over the past 20 years), the guy is never right. (I distinctly remember him touting Marc Spindler as a "regular in Hawaii, i.e. Pro Bowl, way back when. He hasn't changed much IMO.)
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Why is everyone so determined to copy the Patriots?
Funny how the 'how can you be excited about a defensive player who has never played a down in the NFL' argument is thrown out there alongside the 'Eifert will be an immediate impact contributer' when he himself, has never played a down in the NFL....
And lastly, if TE is suddenly the new vogue trend of the NFL, as many would like us to believe, that must mean the demand for 1st round TE selections has gone up recently, yes? Strangely, TE's still, traditionally, come off the board around the Round 3 range. If the Steelers draft a TE in Round 3, they'll be looking at the 3rd or 4th rated TE on the board. Compare that with other positions like OLB, NT, CB, WR, RB, ILB or any OL position... and Chadman is pretty sure you'll see just how the demand for TE's has increased, as we are being lead to believe.
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[QUOTE=Chadman;557643]Why is everyone so determined to copy the Patriots?[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for others, but my desire to get Eifert had nothing to do with the Patriots. My thinking was simply that Heath is more than likely out for half the year. He was our best weapon last year and we don't know what form he'll be in when he gets back. Spaeth is a good blocker but is less than average as a pass catcher. The other TE's on the roster aren't so hot at all. People have talked about drafting a WR at #17, but the TE's on the roster now are worse as a unit than the WR's on the roster (assuming Sanders stays). In drafting the top TE, the team gets a guy that can help in run support and also be a receiving weapon- especially in the red zone.
When Heath gets back, it's still no problem because now you have two top weapons at the position that would be very hard to cover. If that makes us like the Pat's, so be it, but that's not what's driving my thinking anyway.
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I had watched a lot of ND this year, but I went back and watched some highlights of Eifert. Most of his catches came when he was split out wide. Also, as a TE, his blocking leaves an awful lot to be desired. Watching him and Ertz, Eifert is clearly the better receiver. Ertz does not appear to be a great blocker, either, but he at least gets a hat on somebody.
Getting Eifert to play a traditional TE role would take some conversion. If you want a big WR, why not just draft a big WR.