... means maybe hopefully PUHleez he might be in the B&G this coming year.
When does free agency actually end, or could he be signed at any time by anyone?
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... means maybe hopefully PUHleez he might be in the B&G this coming year.
When does free agency actually end, or could he be signed at any time by anyone?
Anyone, anytime, unfortunately. Once the big $$$ rush in free agency passes, though, it becomes a buyers' market. For example, there are something like 52 veteran corners on the market right now, plus the draft coming up, meaning that the likelihood that Keenan Lewis gets a pile of money thrown at him is shrinking as well. As far as James goes, it still makes the most sense for him to come here, but sense and what actually happens are often two different things in FA. James is a proud man in a violent sport full of proud men. Taking a paycut and returning to the Steeler locker room with a diminished stature may be more than he's willing to do... certainly happened that way with Wes Welker, who by some accounts took the same money that New England was offering from Denver because he was ticked at the Pats' negotiating tactics. If a runt like Welker thinks that way, I can only imagine what's going through James' mind... and that would explain to me why he's already visited Baltimore.
If the 70% base salary 30% incentive package is accurate and he turned that down? James made a mistake.
IMO he won't get more than that on the open market.
We moved on so lets just keep on moving on.
[QUOTE=B&GinNC;553898]Anyone, anytime, unfortunately. Once the big $$$ rush in free agency passes, though, it becomes a buyers' market. For example, there are something like 52 veteran corners on the market right now, plus the draft coming up, meaning that the likelihood that Keenan Lewis gets a pile of money thrown at him is shrinking as well. As far as James goes, it still makes the most sense for him to come here, but sense and what actually happens are often two different things in FA. James is a proud man in a violent sport full of proud men. Taking a paycut and returning to the Steeler locker room with a diminished stature may be more than he's willing to do... certainly happened that way with Wes Welker, who by some accounts took the same money that New England was offering from Denver because he was ticked at the Pats' negotiating tactics. If a runt like Welker thinks that way, I can only imagine what's going through James' mind... and that would explain to me why he's already visited Baltimore.[/QUOTE]
Reports I heard said NE offered Welker $10M while he got $12M from Denver.
NE's bigger issue is that Brady took a paycut to free up space for Welker and then the Pats lost him for $2M. If I'm Brady I'm pissed.
[QUOTE=Siggy00;553901]If the 70% base salary 30% incentive package is accurate and he turned that down? James made a mistake.
IMO he won't get more than that on the open market.[/QUOTE]
theres a bunch of posters here that said he would get quite a bit more
[QUOTE=Oviedo;553912]Reports I heard said NE offered Welker $10M while he got $12M from Denver.
NE's bigger issue is that Brady took a paycut to free up space for Welker and then the Pats lost him for $2M. If I'm Brady I'm pissed.[/QUOTE]
i dont think that really true. brady has been underpaid his last 2 contracts and the organization still didnt use the extra money to sign guys.
there's some shady doing with bradys contracts.
I think a lot of teams are just waiting to see how things shake out. Deebo was the best OLB we had and I'd love to have him back. However, I just don't see it. The point about having a "diminished status" in the locker room isn't lost on me. I'm thinking that he's gone for good.
[QUOTE=squidkid;553917]i dont think that really true. brady has been underpaid his last 2 contracts and the organization still didnt use the extra money to sign guys.
there's some shady doing with bradys contracts.[/QUOTE]
Not sure any shady things being done, but it is not like Brady is being generous given he has a wife that makes as much as him. Money isn't an issue in that family.
[COLOR=#fff0f5][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]Brady has earned about $10 million a year from endorsement contracts since 2007. He has endorsement deals with with Australian boot brand UGG, Movado, Glaceau Water, Stetson, Under Armour, Mars Snickers, and Visa. The guy just made a $3.5 million profit on the sale of his NYC condo and now lives in a $20 million crib in LA.
Money is NOT an issue for him. [/FONT][/COLOR]
With Brady's stature on that team, I could see him being aware of the team's plans. He re-structured to help the team not to resign one player imo.
$20 Mill Crib? Heck, I could be set for life just on the taxes he pays for that crib.
[QUOTE=Sugar;553963][COLOR=#fff0f5][FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]Brady has earned about $10 million a year from endorsement contracts since 2007. He has endorsement deals with with Australian boot brand UGG, Movado, Glaceau Water, Stetson, Under Armour, Mars Snickers, and Visa. The guy just made a $3.5 million profit on the sale of his NYC condo and now lives in a $20 million crib in LA.
Money is NOT an issue for him. [/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
And isn't his supermodel wife worth more money than he is?
[QUOTE=Oviedo;553947]Not sure any shady things being done, but it is not like Brady is being generous given he has a wife that makes as much as him. Money isn't an issue in that family.[/QUOTE]
his wife actually makes alot more but thats not the point. brady could have demanded 20 million per for the last 7-8 years and there are numerous teams that would have paid him that much given the chance. his endorsments would be the same whether he played for 10 or 20 mil per year. his wife would still make the same. the pats dont spend the cap even with brady playing for 1/2 price. something is funny over there. i suspect some under the table dealings
I wouldn't be surprised if James Retires. If he can't get what he thinks he's worth it could happen.
I think somebody will offer him the $$$ and he will play in 2013. He's still a top 10 NFL OLB.
Brady did NOT take a pay cut. Look it up. The value of this contract he earns more then his old one. It is just structured different and helps the cap. Just messing with the cap. Should try to do the same with Ben next offseason.
[QUOTE=steelz09;553968]And isn't his supermodel wife worth more money than he is?[/QUOTE]
I read somewhere his supermodel wifemaybe the first billionaire supermodel...Tom Brady can live his life kingsize without earning a penny from NFL. His wife is the money maker.
[COLOR=#ffff00]Another week[/COLOR] and Harrison still doesn't have a uniform to replace the Black & Gold. Here's to hoping!
If Dumerville is really on the market, I'll bet JH is not a happy camper.
Still don't see why "pride" would drive him to the Ravens instead of re-signing with the Steelers. Didn't they cut him one more time than we did (2 vs 1)?
One thing for sure ... I don't think we'll see him on the Sunday pre-game shows!
[QUOTE=SS Laser;554156]Brady did NOT take a pay cut. Look it up. The value of this contract he earns more then his old one. It is just structured different and helps the cap. Just messing with the cap. Should try to do the same with Ben next offseason.[/QUOTE]
They really can't. Ben, even with an EXTENSION will be at least a $10 mil cap hit in 2013.
They've upfronted his base salary three times, this was the year they should have extended it.
[QUOTE=Siggy00;554861]They really can't. Ben, even with an EXTENSION will be at least a $10 mil cap hit in 2013.
They've upfronted his base salary three times, this was the year they should have extended it.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, the problem is at what price do you extend Ben well into his 30s? With the punishment he has taken will he be able to play effectively after he's 34 years old and, if so, for how long? Will he be able to make the plays we've come to expect from him, shrugging off pass rushers to step up and make throws, escape the pocket to put pressure on DBs, plus all the throws he makes like a normal quarterback dropping back, making reads and delivering the football.
Pappy
The thing is, Ben doesn't shrug off many tacklers.
The KEY of Ben, is he sees the pressure BEFORE they get their hands on him.
Ben can dominate for the next 6 years.
But they have to value him first, and stop trying to relive the past.
[QUOTE=Siggy00;554871]The thing is, Ben doesn't shrug off many tacklers.
The KEY of Ben, is he sees the pressure BEFORE they get their hands on him.
Ben can dominate for the next 6 years.
But they have to value him first, and stop trying to relive the past.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious as to what you mean when you say "value" Ben? Are you talking about giving him weapons or lineman or money or??
[QUOTE=Sugar;554875]I'm curious as to what you mean when you say "value" Ben? Are you talking about giving him weapons or lineman or money or??[/QUOTE]
He wants Ben to throw 60 times per game...
[QUOTE=Sugar;554875]I'm curious as to what you mean when you say "value" Ben? Are you talking about giving him weapons or lineman or money or??[/QUOTE]
he means "respect".
let Ben win games by throwing early and often...
[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000151519/article/teams-staying-away-from-free-agent-james-harrison[/url]
Wow, like zero interest in JH out there. And by the way, this writer is an idiot. JH was playing hurt all year but as he started getting better, he was sacking the QB again. This moron doesn't realize that.
[QUOTE]
Frankly, King's report isn't the least bit surprising. While Harrison remains stout against the run, it was obvious that he had lost a few steps as a pass rusher last season. No team with a 3-4 defense is going to spend big money for a declining, injury-prone edge rusher no longer pressuring quarterbacks on a consistent basis.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=lloydroid;554878][URL]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000151519/article/teams-staying-away-from-free-agent-james-harrison[/URL]
Wow, like zero interest in JH out there. And by the way, this writer is an idiot. JH was playing hurt all year but as he started getting better, he was sacking the QB again. This moron doesn't realize that.[/QUOTE]
Harrison had 6 sacks...big whoop. Worilds had 5 in limited playing time. It's not like he was JJ Watt. Everyone except Harrison's fan club sees he is a shadow of the player he use to be. He may be "stout" against the run, but that is far less importnat than getting to the QB which is what his primary role is playing ROLB in a 3-4 defense.
What everyone in the league sees is that while Harrison may have a good 5-6 game stretch, he is unlikely to be able to maintain that for a full 16 game schedule. That is the definition of a spot player/role player not a starter who wants $4M per year.
[QUOTE=Oviedo;554879]Harrison had 6 sacks...big whoop. Worilds had 5 in limited playing time. It's not like he was JJ Watt. Everyone except Harrison's fan club sees he is a shadow of the player he use to be. He may be "stout" against the run, but that is far less importnat than getting to the QB which is what his primary role is playing ROLB in a 3-4 defense.
What everyone in the league sees is that while Harrison may have a good 5-6 game stretch, he is unlikely to be able to maintain that for a full 16 game schedule. That is the definition of a spot player/role player not a starter who wants $4M per year.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the Steelers are using King to degrade Harrison so they can sign him back?
Sure he's an injury risk, but given a full offseason to heal, he can probably put up good numbers again in Pittsburgh. The thing I'm not sure he can do is learn another system. By everyone's admission, it took Harrison years to figure out what his responsibility was in Pittsburgh. He doesn't have many years left. But I think he might have a couple.
If you consider his 6 sacks against the backdrop of having surgery at the beginning of the season, it's not too shabby in context.
This might turn out to be a Starks type deal. Not sure the Steelers will bring him back till they had to. Also don't think JH will come back on the cheap at all. But there is hope right now. He also might get more offers after the draft if some 3-4 teams mis that olb pick they want? Or if teams see a problem in camp at olb?
[QUOTE=Oviedo;554879]Harrison had 6 sacks...big whoop. Worilds had 5 in limited playing time. It's not like he was JJ Watt. Everyone except Harrison's fan club sees he is a shadow of the player he use to be. He may be "stout" against the run, but that is far less importnat than getting to the QB which is what his primary role is playing ROLB in a 3-4 defense.
What everyone in the league sees is that while Harrison may have a good 5-6 game stretch, he is unlikely to be able to maintain that for a full 16 game schedule. That is the definition of a spot player/role player not a starter who wants $4M per year.[/QUOTE]
You are ignoring the fact that he was coming off knee surgery and a bad back. Once he was more healed, his big plays came back. You act as if his entire 2012 season was even-handed; it was not. He got better as his knee got better.
[QUOTE=Slapstick;554876]He wants Ben to throw 60 times per game...[/QUOTE]
No, I want 3 wide base.
I want rolling pockets.
I want one of the NFL's best vertical passers to be used in a way that fits his talent.
If we still insist on the FB/mutiple TE set, then when that doesn't work Ben save us on 3rd down offense? Send him on his way and start Gradkowski.
We square pegged round holed this offense last year.
And we went 8-8.
Last year, the Steelers used more 3WR formation than any other...
[QUOTE=Slapstick;554914]Last year, the Steelers used more 3WR formation than any other...[/QUOTE]
And when it wasn't at the end of halves?
And when it wasn't 3rd down?
Not hard to defend when you know what's coming.
Context, not stat sheets. Don't make me tell you again.
[QUOTE=Siggy00;554918]Context, not stat sheets. Don't make me tell you again.[/QUOTE]
Ah. Again, the same "do as I say, not as I do" Crash...sorry, "Siggy" that is....
[QUOTE=Siggy00;554899]No, I want 3 wide base.
I want rolling pockets.
I want one of the NFL's best vertical passers to be used in a way that fits his talent.
If we still insist on the FB/mutiple TE set, then when that doesn't work Ben save us on 3rd down offense? Send him on his way and start Gradkowski.
We square pegged round holed this offense last year.
And we went 8-8.[/QUOTE]
i think something you are forgetting is Ben was having a career year, and keeping his backside clean before the injury.
We had a good team and record until Ben went cowboy against the K.C. Chiefs and got crushed by 2 defenders.
[QUOTE=SteelCrazy;554949][COLOR=#ffff00]We had a good team and record until Ben went cowboy against the K.C. Chiefs and got crushed by 2 defenders.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
$$$.
[COLOR=#ffff00]That[/COLOR] had more relevance in 20 words than almost all the thousands that have been posted in the last few weeks.
We've GOT to protect Ben. Doesn't matter what we do with our corners, or OLB, or RB - if Ben is on the Bench, our record will be about the same as last year's, and our chances of getting into the playoffs about the same also.
[U]
Steeler Priorities (IMO)[/U]
1. Keep Ben upright.
2. Give him targets.
3. Everything else.
[QUOTE=SanAntonioSteelerFan;554977]$$$.
[COLOR=#ffff00]That[/COLOR] had more relevance in 20 words than almost all the thousands that have been posted in the last few weeks.
We've GOT to protect Ben. Doesn't matter what we do with our corners, or OLB, or RB - if Ben is on the Bench, our record will be about the same as last year's, and our chances of getting into the playoffs about the same also.
[U]
Steeler Priorities (IMO)[/U]
1. Keep Ben upright.
2. Give him targets.
3. Everything else.[/QUOTE]
WE have to protect Ben and BEN has to protect Ben.
And in protecting Ben, I do agree with Crash that we need more designed roll-outs. We've needed them for YEARS. I think Flacco does it more than Ben.
One of Ben's greatest talent is that he throws incredibly well on the run. Roll him out by design a lot more often: This avoids excessive pressure and takes advantage of one of Ben's biggest strengths.
[QUOTE=Shawn;554948]i think something you are forgetting is Ben was having a career year, and keeping his backside clean before the injury.[/QUOTE]
Actually he was better in 2007, and you could argue he was better in 2009 also.
His yards per attempt in 2012 was the second lowest of his career and he was 28th in length per pass.
He excelled on 3rd down. He's always been solid on 3rd down.
Don't praise Haley for Ben bailing him out.
If we still insist on dink and dunk garbage? Ben is of no use to this team.
Trade him and start the Yinzer.
[quote]Steeler Priorities (IMO)
1. Keep Ben upright.
2. Give him targets.
3. Everything else.[/quote]
No, #1 has to be scoring points. You can't keep Ben "upright" by simply handing the ball off and trying to limit the hits he takes.
When you do that? That leaves him in predictable situations, and then he'll get hit.