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[QUOTE=RuthlessBurgher;548831]Getting an impact player in year 1 seems to be your primary criteria for your first round pick, but not mine.
Just look at the last two Troys that we drafted in the first round.
Troy #1 was an impact player in year 1 (61 catches for 714 yards and 5 TD's), while Troy #2 was not an impact player in year 1 (no starts, 30 tackles). Over the long haul, as we all know, one is viewed as a bust, while the other is viewed as a Hall of Famer.
My primary criteria for a 1st round pick is excellence over the long haul, regardless of whether or not the player makes an immediate impact. The biggest leap in a player's career should take place between his first and second season...whatever we get out of a guy during his rookie campaign is icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.
By the way, this is not a knock on the Ertz pick whatsoever (in fact, he was in my first trade-down mock draft)...I like the idea of getting him in a trade down in the first or a trade up in the second, since I see Ertz and Eifert as borderline 1st/2nd round guys. I can't envision a scenario where a TE is the best player available at 17 if we stay there.[/QUOTE]
Obviously I'm not looking for a player to contribute in Year 1 and then vanish like Troy E. However, I don't accept the fact that a player needs to be invisible in Year 1 either as a trade off for future success. There is no way Troy P. shouldn't have played in year 1 except for the attitude of the Def Coord. Was there really a better DB on the team Troy P's rookie year?
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;548837]Obviously I'm not looking for a player to contribute in Year 1 and then vanish like Troy E. However, I don't accept the fact that a player needs to be invisible in Year 1 either as a trade off for future success. There is no way Troy P. shouldn't have played in year 1 except for the attitude of the Def Coord. Was there really a better DB on the team Troy P's rookie year?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Troy was not great his rookie year.
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[QUOTE=Slapstick;548838]Yes. Troy was not great his rookie year.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me which of the following was a better player at Safety that Troy should not of played significant time? BTW whoever it was they must not have been too good for that great 6-10 team.
[LIST][*][FONT=Courier New]27[/FONT] Brent Alexander FS[*][FONT=Courier New]28[/FONT] Chris Hope FS[*][FONT=Courier New]29[/FONT] Chidi Iwuoma CB[*][FONT=Courier New]31[/FONT] Mike Logan SS[*][FONT=Courier New]43[/FONT] Troy Polamalu SS[*][FONT=Courier New]30[/FONT] Chad Scott CB[*][FONT=Courier New]33[/FONT] Russell Stuvaints SS[*][FONT=Courier New]24[/FONT] Ike Taylor CB[*][FONT=Courier New]26[/FONT] Deshea Townsend CB[*][FONT=Courier New]20[/FONT] Dewayne Washington CB[/LIST]
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[QUOTE=Slapstick;548838]Yes. Troy was not great his rookie year.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely right. His rookie year he took a while to adjust to the game and often looked slow when he was on the field (due to the adjustment time), hence the "Bustamalu" label.
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;548678]Sunny and high 70s must mean it is time for yet another mock draft
Round 1: Zach Ertz, TE, 6’6” 252lbs, Stanford
Round 2: Barrett Jones, OL, 6’5” 302lbs, Alabama
Round 3: DJ Swearinger, S, 5’11” 210 lbs. South Carolina
Round 4: Jonathan Bostic, ILB, 6’ 1” 245lbs, Florida
Round 5: Ray Graham, RB 5’9” 192lbs, Pitt
Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, 6’3” 216lbs, Elon
Round 7: Collin Klein, QB, 6’ 5” 218lbs, K State[/QUOTE]
Love this TE... however, i wouldnt' take him in the 1st. We got bigger fish to fry...
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[QUOTE=Oviedo;548837]Obviously I'm not looking for a player to contribute in Year 1 and then vanish like Troy E. However, I don't accept the fact that a player needs to be invisible in Year 1 either as a trade off for future success. There is no way Troy P. shouldn't have played in year 1 except for the attitude of the Def Coord. Was there really a better DB on the team Troy P's rookie year?[/QUOTE]
I about puked when they drafted Troy E... was certain they'd take Jevon kearse....
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[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;548850]I about puked when they drafted Troy E... was certain they'd take Jevon kearse....[/QUOTE]
I knew Torry Holt would be gone, so I was hoping for David Boston (D'Oh). When Boston was off the board, I was looking at either Kearse or OT John Tait. The Edwards pick truly shocked me right away (not with 20/20 hindsight).
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Ovi, I love the picks. I have been pointing towards Ertz as our 1st rounder for some time now. It would be great if we could trade back and still take him. Only if there is a dominant pass rusher still on the board would I pass up Ertz.
I also like the 7th rounder Klein. His play is spotty at times but dynamic at other times. He could mature into a good solid backup.
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[QUOTE=lloydroid;548718]If they take a TE in the 1st round, I am going to quit following them. [/QUOTE]
Would show you to be the type of fan we know you to really be.
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[QUOTE=BigRob;548877]Would show you to be the type of fan we know you to really be.[/QUOTE]
BTW BR--like your mock in your sig. Would prefer to see a RB somewhere