Te'o in the 1st round?
With the way he's getting dominated by Alabama, we might be able to get him in the 2nd.
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Te'o in the 1st round?
With the way he's getting dominated by Alabama, we might be able to get him in the 2nd.
[QUOTE=steelz09;542899]Te'o in the 1st round?
With the way he's getting dominated by Alabama, we might be able to get him in the 2nd.[/QUOTE]
T'eo is getting pushed around like a ragdoll. Welcome to playing the "big boys"
Chance Warmack on the other hand in manhandling ND players. On the first TD it appeared he blocked two players at the same time.
Yup.. and he's looked bad in pass coverage. That last TD was clearly Te'o's fault. He got sucked in by the playaction and left the TE wide open.
He almost reminds me of Foote, lol.
T'eo was a feel good story due to tragedy and being on MD. Pitt ran around him and Bama is running through him. He should NE available late in the first but why would we want him?
Honestly, after watching Te'o color me unimpressed. I would rather grab Zack Boren in the 5th...a guy with enough strength to sort through trash, and enough speed to go sideline to sideline.
I wonder if Te'o realizes that he lost millions of dollars in a matter of 15 minutes.
[QUOTE=Shawn;542911]Honestly, after watching Te'o color me unimpressed. I would rather grab Zack Boren in the 5th...a guy with enough strength to sort through trash, and enough speed to go sideline to sideline.[/QUOTE]
Seriously? After 1 quarter of football? Wow..you guys are a tough crowd.
I'd still take him in a heart beat. I understand that a players value isn't based on his performance in just one game. ;)
[QUOTE=steelz09;542913]I wonder if Te'o realizes that he lost millions of dollars in a matter of 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]
Im sure his agent will let him know after the game.
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542914]Seriously? After 1 quarter of football? Wow..you guys are a tough crowd.
I'd still take him in a heart beat. I understand that a players value isn't based on his performance in just one game. ;)[/QUOTE]
i don't know Dee...something to be said about how a player shows up in the biggest game of his life, against NFL talent.
[QUOTE=Shawn;542916]i don't know Dee...something to be said about how a player shows up in the biggest game of his life, against NFL talent.[/QUOTE]
NFL teams and scouts will look at his complete body of work. Put me down as one who thinks he will be a great player in the NFL. And this game tonight will have nothing to do with it one way or the other.
Don't get me wrong.. I like Te'o.
You have to put things into perspective though. He's playing against a very good Alabama team that has numerous NFL prospects. You would expect a Heisman candidate & top 5 / top 10 pick to make an impact. In fact, he's making a NEGATIVE impact right now. That is not what you want from a top 5 / top 10 pick.
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542914]Seriously? After 1 quarter of football? Wow..you guys are a tough crowd.
I'd still take him in a heart beat. I understand that a players value isn't based on his performance in just one game. ;)[/QUOTE]
What about after 4? What if he continues to get ragged dolled and man handled by that OL? It doesn't mean anything? Just a fluke?
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542918]NFL teams and scouts will look at his complete body of work. Put me down as one who thinks he will be a great player in the NFL. And this game tonight will have nothing to do with it one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
and I'm not saying that a scout shouldn't. Just saying this game means something about his stock. It's going to take a hit...and rightfully so. I bet he is there for the Steelers when we pick.
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542918]NFL teams and scouts will look at his complete body of work. Put me down as one who thinks he will be a great player in the NFL. And this game tonight will have nothing to do with it one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that his "body of work" isn't against a team like Alabama which is as close to the NFL in college as you can get. If this is any indication of his play against NFL talent then you've got to be worried.
[QUOTE=Shawn;542922]and I'm not saying that a scout shouldn't. Just saying this game means something about his stock. It's going to take a hit...and rightfully so. I bet he is there for the Steelers when we pick.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It will definitely hurt his stock.
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542918]NFL teams and scouts will look at his complete body of work. Put me down as one who thinks he will be a great player in the NFL. And this game tonight will have nothing to do with it one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
Looks like another Rey Maleuga to me. Decent but against the talent he will see in the NFL nothing special.
Didn't see the game, but before we stick the pitchforks in Te'o, how did his DL hold up against the Alabama OL? If they got dominated, Chadman would come to expect that the LB's would get blown up as a result.
[QUOTE=Chadman;542927]Didn't see the game, but before we stick the pitchforks in Te'o, how did his DL hold up against the Alabama OL? If they got dominated, Chadman would come to expect that the LB's would get blown up as a result.[/QUOTE]
T'eo has been in position to.make stops but guys are running through his arm
tackles.
You all are crazy. He can't line up and play them all by himself. He does need his other 10 teammates to show up too. There's no I in Team.
1st rd pick has to be a 'can't miss'. Teo does not look like a 'can't miss'... but rather a 'cant tackle'. Being in position to make a tackle and simply not making it is not a good sign for a supposed top pick. And its happened more than once in this game.
No thank you to Teo.
He's a can't miss.
Problem is- ND has no offense! That QB suks. ND's defense is always on the field.
[QUOTE=Chadman;542927]Didn't see the game, but before we stick the pitchforks in Te'o, how did his DL hold up against the Alabama OL? If they got dominated, Chadman would come to expect that the LB's would get blown up as a result.[/QUOTE]
the Alabama center Barrett Jones is manhandling ND's NT all by himself which is freeing up Alabama's OGs to get to the 2nd level and block the LBers.
[QUOTE=pfelix73;542945]Problem is- ND has no offense! That QB suks. ND's defense is always on the field.[/QUOTE]
Are you watching the same game I am? The offense hasn't done anything but Golson isn't the problem. Where are his weapons?
The story of the game is the ND defense. Where is this big bad defense that we've been hearing about?
The ND defense is a joke and Te'o has been part of the problem and not the solution. Spare me the 'I' in team talk.
I'm not saying he needs to be a one man wrecking crew. I'm saying that he should look like 1st round pick and he doesn't. He's playing poorly against the run, poorly against the pass, getting swallowed by offensive lineman and flat out missing tackles. He's a good player but he is NOT having a game that you'd expect a "highly decorated" ILB to have.
Tonight, he doesn't look like a top 5 pick, a top 10 pick or even a 1st round pick. I hope it's just one bad game.
Too bad Mosley is not coming out his junior year....He looks way more impressive than Te'o...
[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;542949]the Alabama center Barrett Jones is manhandling ND's NT all by himself which is freeing up Alabama's OGs to get to the 2nd level and block the LBers.[/QUOTE]
He is getting blocked but there have been other issues with his game tonight. Not shedding blocks, missed tackles, and he bit on the playaction causing a TD. That TE was his man.
[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;542949]the Alabama center Barrett Jones is manhandling ND's NT all by himself which is freeing up Alabama's OGs to get to the 2nd level and block the LBers.[/QUOTE]
Well, not many ILB's tend to look so good in those circumstances.
[QUOTE=steelz09;542950]Are you watching the same game I am? The offense hasn't done anything but Golson isn't the problem. Where are his weapons?
The story of the game is the ND defense. Where is this big bad defense that we've been hearing about?
The ND defense is a joke and Te'o has been part of the problem and not the solution. Spare me the 'I' in team talk.
I'm not saying he needs to be a one man wrecking crew. I'm saying that he should look like 1st round pick and he doesn't. He's playing poorly against the run, poorly against the pass, getting swallowed by offensive lineman and flat out missing tackles. He's a good player but he is NOT having a game that you'd expect a "highly decorated" ILB to have.
Tonight, he doesn't look like a top 5 pick, a top 10 pick or even a 1st round pick. I hope it's just one bad game.[/QUOTE]
Spare you the no I in Team talk? Obviously, you don't play in team sports.. Go play your golf down there in Charleston, so when you fuk up on a hole you can blame yourself with it.
Te'o will be a top 10 pick. Hell, the Eagles are interested in him at where they are picking... So whatever- again, its all a crap shoot.
[QUOTE=pfelix73;542935]You all are crazy. He can't line up and play them all by himself. He does need his other 10 teammates to show up too. There's no I in Team.[/QUOTE]
will his teammates help him actually wrap a tackle?
[QUOTE=pfelix73;542957]Spare you the no I in Team talk? Obviously, you don't play in team sports.. Go play your golf down there in Charleston, so when you *** up on a hole you can blame yourself with it.
Te'o will be a top 10 pick. Hell, the Eagles are interested in him at where they are picking... So whatever- again, its all a crap shoot.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I don't play golf anymore. There is a difference between being a team player and getting worked. Te'o and the entire ND defense is getting worked. No need to take it personally. Oh, and btw.. no need to curse.
Manti is having a bad night along with the other 10 ND defenders. He is not only getting blocked, but he's made bad reads and crashed inside and the play went outside, he has struggled to get off blocks and when he has made a good read and shot a gap Lacy has run through his tackles. He is just having one of those games that you want to forget. On the other hand, I don't want the Steelers to draft him, maybe Lacy will declare and drop down to number 17, he would certainly be a good replacement for Mendenhall if the Steelers can't resign him. His legs are thick, he makes a decision and goes with it and he has nimble feet, love to see him in Black and Gold.
Pappy
[QUOTE=Shawn;542958]will his teammates help him actually wrap a tackle?[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Is it his teammates fault that Te'o bit on the playaction which caused the TE to be wide open in the endzone for a TD?
He was too worried about getting run over again by Lacy.
[QUOTE=hawaiiansteel;542949]the Alabama center Barrett Jones is manhandling ND's NT all by himself which is freeing up Alabama's OGs to get to the 2nd level and block the LBers.[/QUOTE]
hawaiian, dont waste your time trying to explain the game of football to these guys.
Dick Butkus in his prime would not have been able to shake Chance Warmack one on one at the second level.
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542973]hawaiian, dont waste your time trying to explain the game of football to these guys.
Dick Butkus in his prime would not have been able to shake Chance Warmack one on one at the second level.[/QUOTE]
Just out of curiosity how would you grade Te'o in tonight's game? I know he's your guy and the couple times I saw him play earlier in the season he played great and I thought he'll be a good ILB in the NFL. Tonight's game has to give you some cause for concern though playing against at least 3 offensive linemen that will be playing on Sunday in the near future.
Pappy
[QUOTE=papillon;542975]Just out of curiosity how would you grade Te'o in tonight's game? I know he's your guy and the couple times I saw him play earlier in the season he played great and I thought he'll be a good ILB in the NFL. Tonight's game has to give you some cause for concern though playing against at least 3 offensive linemen that will be playing on Sunday in the near future.
Pappy[/QUOTE]
There's no question he played well below what he is capable of playing. He did not play very well at. I see couple of things here. This is the biggest game he has ever played in. He and his teammates have never played in a game of this magnitude. On the other side, for Alabama, this is the second time in back to back years that they have played a game like this. For a guy like Barrett Jones this is his 3rd one in 4 years. No excuses but not only was Notre Dame over-matched talent wise but they were also over-whelmed by the stage they were on. Alabama is not just a great college football team. They are going to go down as one of the greatest of all time.
It is my opinion that Manti Te'o would excel in a 3-4 defense. One in which the front 3 plug the gaps and allow him to flow to the ball. He could make splash plays if he is allowed to run at the ball carrier without having a 320 lb lineman coming at him. It is the reason Ray Lewis begged the Ravens to draft Hiloti Ngata.
Remember one thing about him playing against NFL type players tonight, when Te'o is in the NFL he will play on a defense that has NFL players around him. He really didnt have the same type of quality players around him at Notre Dame as Alabama had coming at him.
[QUOTE=papillon;542975]Just out of curiosity how would you grade Te'o in tonight's game? I know he's your guy and the couple times I saw him play earlier in the season he played great and I thought he'll be a good ILB in the NFL. Tonight's game has to give you some cause for concern though playing against at least 3 offensive linemen that will be playing on Sunday in the near future.
Pappy[/QUOTE]
And I have no concern about him based on tonight's game. I believe in the NFL he is going to me a great football player.
Tend to agree that Te'o shouldn't be discounted based on 1 poor game. There are many factors that go into failure- it's not always the end result that someone should be judged on.
Still, not certain that he'll be on the Steelers radar.
[QUOTE=steelz09;542959]Actually, I don't play golf anymore. There is a difference between being a team player and getting worked. Te'o and the entire ND defense is getting worked. No need to take it personally. Oh, and btw.. no need to curse.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542973]hawaiian, dont waste your time trying to explain the game of football to these guys.
Dick Butkus in his prime would not have been able to shake Chance Warmack one on one at the second level.[/QUOTE]
i don't claim to be a football guru like yourself...but the last time I checked making a basic tackle was in the job description of a football player. That has nothing to do with Warmack or the other ND defenders. It is what it is...he had a bad game. Just wonder what it means for his stock in the draft.
[QUOTE=Dee Dub;542983]There's no question he played well below what he is capable of playing. He did not play very well at. I see couple of things here. This is the biggest game he has ever played in. He and his teammates have never played in a game of this magnitude. On the other side, for Alabama, this is the second time in back to back years that they have played a game like this. For a guy like Barrett Jones this is his 3rd one in 4 years. No excuses but not only was Notre Dame over-matched talent wise but they were also over-whelmed by the stage they were on. Alabama is not just a great college football team. They are going to go down as one of the greatest of all time.
It is my opinion that Manti Te'o would excel in a 3-4 defense. One in which the front 3 plug the gaps and allow him to flow to the ball. He could make splash plays if he is allowed to run at the ball carrier without having a 320 lb lineman coming at him. It is the reason Ray Lewis begged the Ravens to draft Hiloti Ngata.
Remember one thing about him playing against NFL type players tonight, when Te'o is in the NFL he will play on a defense that has NFL players around him. He really didnt have the same type of quality players around him at Notre Dame as Alabama had coming at him.[/QUOTE]
I would disagree with the blame your putting on the Notre Dame DL. Probably everyone of those defensive linemen will be playing on Sundays sooner or later. That is a very highly regarded DL so T'eo's failures can't be put on them. He was bad all by himself.
The silver lining is that hopefully he was bad enough to be an option at #17. His times at the combine will determine where he gets slotted. If he can run near 4.5 he will be a Top 15 pick, however if he runs in the 4.8 range, as many expect, he will be in the lower half of the round.
Like I said in a previous thread, my Co - worker is a big Nd fan and this is what he said about him
Overrated > check
Miss tackles > check
Take bad angles >check