We keep losing to bad teams... what's the problem?
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We keep losing to bad teams... what's the problem?
[COLOR=#00ff00]Great question for Tomlin to answer, to really answer.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=feltdizz;536971]We keep losing to bad teams... what's the problem?[/QUOTE]
Can Tomlin go out there and play defense? The defense had been playing lights out football for most of the year. They couldn't get the chargers off the field today and that was the difference. It has nothing to do with Tomlin. He had a questionable 4th down call where I would have maybe punted if I were him but you can't fault the guy for trying. Wallace had the huge drop when we needed it the most and the offense didn't get rolling until it was far too late in the game. The fake punt was a huge kick to the balls and then the Ben int was the nail. Stop the fake and don't throw that INT and we maybe win this one. It's not on Tomlin.
I know a lot of to hate Tomlin, for one reason or another but it's hard to blame a coach who have had 12 win seasons in four straight years. Although it was a bad judgment today to go for it on 4th down. And with all the injuries this year I think he is doing a remarkable job.
4 out of 6 losses to teams with losing records. Raiders and Chargers absolutely HORRIBLE (with Titans and Browns marginally better). At some point the coaching staff has to take some responsibility for playing like total sh*t against the dregs of the league. May not go to the playoffs b/c they can't beat the worst teams in the league. Today was downright pathetic. An embarrassment.
remarkable job?
no way, and I like tomljn.
there is a lot to answer for after a performance like that.
There is a culture issue in the Steelers world. That's how this one fan sees it.
[COLOR=#00ff00]We are 0-4 vs the AFC west. Could have reasonably been 3-1 against those teams. It is a concerning pattern, losing to inferior teams.[/COLOR]
OK name me one coach in this league that can one
1) lose their pro bowl qb 3 games
2)lose their all pro safety 7+
3) lose their Two all pro OLB's for most of the season
And the list goes on and be 7-6. Hell the Bengals haven't lost any one significant and we are above them in the playoffs standing.
[QUOTE=DukieBoy;536986][COLOR=#00ff00]We are 0-4 vs the AFC west. Could have reasonably been 3-1 against those teams. It is a concerning pattern, losing to inferior teams.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Injuries and inconsistent play. Our defense wasn't playing well to start the season when we lost to the Raiders, just as our defense sh.it the bed today against the Chargers. I once again don't put this on Tomlin. I don't know what he could have done differently. He's not making the defensive calls. He could have punted on 4th down instead of going for it. What else could he have done. Do any of us really believe he's not doing all that he can to prepare the team week after week? He's a coach in the NFL, not an upstart Coaching in the WPIAL. We're banged up and let Rivers throw all over us. Plus the fake punt and then Ben's terribly timed INT. If they don't fake that punt and convert that's a pretty good amount of time back on the clock when our offense was getting some momentum and then the INT. If those two things don't happen we possibly win this game in ugly fashion and head to Dallas. It didn't fall in our favor but once again the Ravens and the Bengals lost.
What about the Giants last year SB winner, and i think our records are even.
Not trying to hear about injuries... we lose Troy and Ben every year for a few games. The question is why do we keep losing to bad teams or struggle to beat bad teams.
How can you not blame the head coach for losing to 4 bad teams. They were flat; you saw that from play 1. They came in unfocused and f-ing flat. Who's fault is that? The head man. He has some serious flaws. One of the worst losses in team history. No excuse for this one. None. Pathetic.
[QUOTE=feltdizz;536994]Not trying to hear about injuries... we lose Troy and Ben every year for a few games. The question is why do we keep losing to bad teams or struggle to beat bad teams.[/QUOTE]And you think that's easy losing your starting qb multiple games a season and still win 12? OK lmao
When is the last time we beat a had team convincingly? I'm not blaming Tomlin for mistakes the players make but its obvious we don't have a killer instinct when playing bad teams. Some of this has to fall on the HC.
I blamed Cowher as well when we played down to sub par teams. You can't ignore the HC's. role in these losses.
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;536993]What about the Giants last year SB winner, and i think our records are even.[/QUOTE]
i would bve happier if we had this record after winning the supoerbowl last year but we didnt. we got beat by an inferior team....again
Ben and Troy played today and this team looked totally unprepared to play, and worse, didn't have any heart. Today was disgsusting and an embarrassment for a team that is fighting for a playoff spot and has already lost multiple games to inferior opponents.
Just like a CEO has to bear the burden when the company starts to fail; Coach Tomlin (and the O and D offensive cordinators) need to own the failures of this team. Today was total failure from the top down. I'm sickened by what I saw.
[COLOR=#00ff00]I like Tomlin as our coach. I am concerned about this pattern of losing to inferior teams. We beat the better teams, even with all our injuries. This pattern is a problem I expect our head coach to address it better than it seems to be.[/COLOR]
Young corner gets beat deep on a stop and go (like we need to run more of) and instantly Lebeau has them giving 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 3 from then on out. Special teams suck. Many other reasons for the suck today. Oh well, need to get over it and get ready for our trip to Dallas.
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;537008]Young corner gets beat deep on a stop and go (like we need to run more of) and instantly Lebeau has them giving 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 3 from then on out. Special teams suck. Many other reasons for the suck today. Oh well, need to get over it and get ready for our trip to Dallas.[/QUOTE]Exactly..
But to also add the great Bellicheat lost to Arizona @ home and to an inferior Seattle team, why is no one questioning him. With a healthy Brady.
Big Tomlin supporter here, but yes, some responsibility needs to fall on his shoulders. The Steelers lose a lot of games they should be winning. They also win a lot of games they have no right to win.
It looks like an 'attitude' thing. Now, while a bit of this has to come from the coaches, it also comes from the senior players, who have had a good long career of beating these lower sides. Could it be that the older, more experienced players feel a certain amount of 'entitlement' that they should be beating these teams, and perhaps switch off a little more? Where were Hampton, Keisel, Harrison, Polamalu when the Defense needed a big stop? Not saying they are bad players, but they could have fallen into a culture of 'expectation'. If ever there were signs that this team needs an injection of young 'leaders', it's games like this.
Just like Phil Sims said at the start of the game, that after playing Baltimore the team are physically and mentally beat up.
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;537013]Exactly..
But to also add the great Bellicheat lost to Arizona @ home and to an inferior Seattle team, why is no one questioning him. With a healthy Brady.[/QUOTE]
What was arizonas record when they played and did seatle have twice as many losses as wins when they beat NE?
[QUOTE=squidkid;537017]What was arizonas record when they played and did seatle have twice as many losses as wins when they beat NE?[/QUOTE]Take a look at the Chargers first, all of their losses have come from 7 or less OR something of that nature. Along with a rusty Ben and this is what you have.
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;537015]Just like Phil Sims said at the start of the game, that after playing Baltimore the team are physically and mentally beat up.[/QUOTE]
so what?
you still have to be able to handle a 4-8 team at home. This looks like a sloppy and undisciplined football team. Couple more ST penalties again today. Why was the coach fired 2 weeks before the season again?
[QUOTE=Chadman;537014]Big Tomlin supporter here, but yes, some responsibility needs to fall on his shoulders. The Steelers lose a lot of games they should be winning. They also win a lot of games they have no right to win.
It looks like an 'attitude' thing. Now, while a bit of this has to come from the coaches, it also comes from the senior players, who have had a good long career of beating these lower sides. Could it be that the older, more experienced players feel a certain amount of 'entitlement' that they should be beating these teams, and perhaps switch off a little more? Where were Hampton, Keisel, Harrison, Polamalu when the Defense needed a big stop? Not saying they are bad players, but they could have fallen into a culture of 'expectation'. If ever there were signs that this team needs an injection of young 'leaders', it's games like this.[/QUOTE]
not ragging on you chadman but what games did they have no right winning during tomlins tenure?
i would like to compare your lots of losses to lots of wins
i cant believe those two numbers are even gonna be close.
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;537018]Take a look at the Chargers first, all of their losses have come from 7 or less OR something of that nature. Along with a rusty Ben and this is what you have.[/QUOTE]
what do the chargers have to do with your post regarding the losses to zona and seatle for NE?
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;537015]Just like Phil Sims said at the start of the game, that after playing Baltimore the team are physically and mentally beat up.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Ben was all that rusty. Chargers D was zoned in. This team had nothing to lose and they just brought it. It happens, although I think it's happening a little more often than it should.
[QUOTE=squidkid;537020]not ragging on you chadman but what games did they have no right winning during tomlins tenure?
i would like to compare your lots of losses to lots of wins
i cant believe those two numbers are even gonna be close.[/QUOTE]
Will give you one right off the bat- Steelers-Ravens, a week ago.
[QUOTE=lloydroid;536997]How can you not blame the head coach for losing to 4 bad teams. They were flat; you saw that from play 1. They came in unfocused and f-ing flat. Who's fault is that? The head man. He has some serious flaws. One of the worst losses in team history. No excuse for this one. None. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
How would you recommend Tomlin get grownassed men to 'get more pumped up' to play? Should he give better pre game speeches? Yell at them all week? Really chew them out on the sideline? It's on the players as far as showing up to play. Only think I would blame Tomlin on is crappy drafting.
[QUOTE=Eddie Spaghetti;537019]so what?
you still have to be able to handle a 4-8 team at home. This looks like a [I][B]sloppy and undisciplined[/B][/I] football team. Couple more ST penalties again today. Why was the coach fired 2 weeks before the season again?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=#00ff00]And poorly prepared. The OL seemed very much not ready to compete, today. [/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;537013]Exactly..
But to also add the great Bellicheat lost to Arizona @ home and to an inferior Seattle team, why is no one questioning him. With a healthy Brady.[/QUOTE]
That's true. But Belichick uses the early part of the season to figure things out on offense and defense. Then he asks the team to turn it up a notch over the final eight games of the year.
Pats have not lost a game in the 2nd half of the season since 2009.
These guys really just get lazy and unfocused and awful lot. Who would be responsible for those areas, again?
[QUOTE=lloydroid;537034]These guys really just get lazy and unfocused and awful lot. Who would be responsible for those areas, again?[/QUOTE]
Again, who's fault is it that guys getting paid millions to show up on a stage and perform for 3 hours a week are lazy or not focused?
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;537028]How would you recommend Tomlin get grownassed men to 'get more pumped up' to play? Should he give better pre game speeches? Yell at them all week? Really chew them out on the sideline? It's on the players as far as showing up to play. Only think I would blame Tomlin on is crappy drafting.[/QUOTE]
This is how Chadman is thinking. These players are professionals. They get paid to 'be up for it'. The HC is responsible for putting the best team on the field, giving them the right gameplan, and yes- giving them some direction. But if the players are disinterested, that's on the players.
Wouldn't call Tomlin's drafting 'crappy', but it certainly seems to lack a degree of 'leadership quality' in the players brought onboard. As this team gets older, it's becoming more apparent that there is a lack of 'team leaders' in the up-and-coming ranks. Might be a good time to address that..
[QUOTE=lloydroid;536997]How can you not blame the head coach for losing to 4 bad teams. They were flat; you saw that from play 1. They came in unfocused and f-ing flat. Who's fault is that? The head man. He has some serious flaws. One of the worst losses in team history. No excuse for this one. None. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Stop being so dramatic - you have absolutely no perspective...this doesn't even come close to "one of the worst losses in team history". The Chargers played inspired ball & they have a good defense, remember this is the same Charger team that held Baltimore to fewer points & should've won that game if not for the incredible 4 & 29 conversion.
But to answer your question...you don't blame the coaches when turnovers affect the outcome of the game, you don't blame coaches when players fail to execute or just get physically beat during a play - that happens in sports & thats what happened today. I'm not saying that coaches don't have bad days like the rest of us, but thats not the problem here - the players are. I don't know what standard or who you're comparing Tomlin to, but just keeping to the Steelers do you really think that Cowher & Noll never had games or seasons like this? Tomlin is one of the best HC's in the game, does it make him perfect - no...but he's a helluva lot better than the Ken Whizenhunt's, John Harbaugh's & Rex Ryan's of the world. Stop acting like chicken-little, we're still position to get to the playoffs & still a team that will have a puncher's chance to take the title.
[QUOTE=DukieBoy;537029][COLOR=#00ff00]And poorly prepared. The OL seemed very much not ready to compete, today. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
C'mon man...Colon goes out with injury early, Legursky has to come in & switch Pouncey to LG, plus the rookie Beachum starting - it wasn't preparation that was the problem.
[QUOTE=tiproast;537031]That's true. But Belichick uses the early part of the season to figure things out on offense and defense. Then he asks the team to turn it up a notch over the final eight games of the year.
Pats have not lost a game in the 2nd half of the season since 2009.[/QUOTE]
Except Super Bowls... ;) sorry couldn't help it.
[QUOTE=tiproast;537031]That's true. But Belichick uses the early part of the season to figure things out on offense and defense. Then he asks the team to turn it up a notch over the final eight games of the year.
[COLOR=#ff0000]Pats have not lost a game in the 2nd half of the season since 2009[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=#00ff00]Did not know this. It's impressive.
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[QUOTE=Steel Life;537042]Except Super Bowls... ;) sorry couldn't help it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Pats don't get to play AFC West teams in the Super Bowl (sorry, couldn't help it). :D