Much maligned unit, but Ben was clean all day. Not only that, they ran effectively when they needed to against a pretty solid Browns front. Very good effort from the line in all phases.
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Much maligned unit, but Ben was clean all day. Not only that, they ran effectively when they needed to against a pretty solid Browns front. Very good effort from the line in all phases.
I concur. (Do you concur? I should've concurred!)
[QUOTE=Slapstick;584002]I concur. (Do you concur? I should've concurred!)[/QUOTE]
I concurs also x2
Mike Adams on run plays is a road grader. If he can work on his pass blocking we may have something. He finishes his blocks and that is good to see. I hope he learns to bend his knees because Ben with even a little time is money.
Concur to the third power....
Also Ben was not sacked once today for the first time this season!!!!
Ben routinely had time today. It'd be nice to see that become a trend.
good getting foster back.
nice effort from everyone
Nice he had time
Unfortunate we couldn't make a 3rd and 1 and a 4th and 1
[QUOTE=pittpete;584020]Nice he had time
Unfortunate we couldn't make a 3rd and 1 and a 4th and 1[/QUOTE]
And yet we won .... put on your happy face Eeyore :D
Didn't like Bell coming out late in game for Dwyer. Not sure what to make of that.
[QUOTE=Iron City Inc.;584009]Mike Adams on run plays is a road grader. If he can work on his pass blocking we may have something. He finishes his blocks and that is good to see. I hope he learns to bend his knees because Ben with even a little time is money.[/QUOTE]
Did you see him push Bell an additional three yards over the body of a Browns defender when it looked like he was stuffed in the 4th? :tt2
Didn't get to see the game. Who stood out on the OLine and why?
I did see there were no sacks. I'm kinda shocked about that one because Cleveland has a good front 7 and can cover. What happened?
[QUOTE=Iron City Inc.;584036]Didn't like Bell coming out late in game for Dwyer. Not sure what to make of that.[/QUOTE]
At that point, I think they were giving it to Dwyer to let him take the pounding. The game was pretty much out of hand, so no harm in letting Dwyer take the hits.
[QUOTE=phillyesq;584063]At that point, I think they were giving it to Dwyer to let him take the pounding. The game was pretty much out of hand, so no harm in letting Dwyer take the hits.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Bell will be needed on Thursday so they probably were trying to limit his time in mop up.
They mentioned on the broadcast that Velasco has been playing BETTER than Pouncey !! Could Pouncey have lost his starting job at CENTER and end up being moved elsewhere?
Chemistry. Only way it gets better is with snaps. You all are witness to it. Individuals get better as the unit plays together.
[QUOTE=Sugar;584056]Did you see him push Bell an additional three yards over the body of a Browns defender when it looked like he was stuffed in the 4th? :tt2[/QUOTE]
Adams is just playing football by attacking. That is what the staff wants him to do. If he gets another shot at LT...That's what he needs to do. Think with his feet.
[QUOTE=Eich;584113]They mentioned on the broadcast that Velasco has been playing BETTER than Pouncey !! Could Pouncey have lost his starting job at CENTER and end up being moved elsewhere?[/QUOTE]
Maybe they keep Velasco at Center and move Pouncey to Left Guard if they even decide to resign him given his recurring injury problems. He is going to ask for a ton and not sure I would pay that to keep Pouncey.
You give Velasco a Foster deal of 3yr / 6 mil to remain here & back up Pouncey. Interior swing on gamedays. No reason he can't remain with Pouncey on roster.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;584124]You give Velasco a Foster deal of 3yr / 6 mil to remain here & back up Pouncey. Interior swing on gamedays. No reason he can't remain with Pouncey on roster.[/QUOTE]
Why would you want Velasco as a backup to Pouncey if he's playing better than Pouncey? And why would Velasco want to sign to be a backup? The league knows he's starter material--so does he.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;584119]Adams is just playing football by attacking. That is what the staff wants him to do. If he gets another shot at LT...That's what he needs to do. Think with his feet.[/QUOTE]
Although, RT is more of an attacking position than LT. LT is more "read and react". I think that as of now, Adams would be much more suited for the right side than the left.
[QUOTE=BradshawsHairdresser;584128]Why would you want Velasco as a backup to Pouncey if he's playing better than Pouncey? And why would Velasco want to sign to be a backup? The league knows he's starter material--so does he.[/QUOTE]
I've been saying this for well over a year, so I am not suddenly bashing a starter who is now out but...Pouncey is nowhere near as good as his accolades would suggest. He is easily the most overrated player on this team. He is average at best, and Velasco is playing at least as well, if not better.
I have said several times but I try to lock up Velasco in the 3 year - $7-8M range, with a cap hit around $2M or so for next year. I have read a few mixed things wrt Pouncey's contract for next year. It looks like he is due some sort of roster bonus, but not sure the amount. What I am pretty sure about is that the cap savings from cutting him is somewhere between $3.4M - $4.2M. I would take that savings for Velasco in a heartbeat.
[QUOTE=BradshawsHairdresser;584128]Why would you want Velasco as a backup to Pouncey if he's playing better than Pouncey? And why would Velasco want to sign to be a backup? The league knows he's starter material--so does he.[/QUOTE]
Velasco is playing good football but he isn't Pouncey. Velasco was playing good football with the Titans & he was on the street after his release. Most C's in the league are there because of limitations. When a "Pouncey" comes along... You try & hold on to them. Those "Velasco" types of Cs always become expendable after the draft. Velasco knows that story. Just ask him who Brian Schwenke is. As far as a contract, Every player in this league doesn't look for the biggest paycheck. Velasco may have found a home here & he would be happy with his role. He will be a 29 year old C. Do you think someone out there will pay him 3-4 mil a yr to be a starter? You can get a 22 year old in the 3rd or 4th round for 4 yr / 3 mil.
[QUOTE=steeler_fan_in_t.o.;584130]Although, RT is more of an attacking position than LT. LT is more "read and react". I think that as of now, Adams would be much more suited for the right side than the left.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking positions. Attacking is a term to reference playing on the balls of your feet & not your heels. Once Adams started getting beat he was playing defensive & that is trouble.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;584134]I'm not talking positions. Attacking is a term to reference playing on the balls of your feet & not your heels. Once Adams started getting beat he was playing defensive & that is trouble.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but I also believe that he has more of a makeup to be a RT, as opposed to a LT.
[QUOTE=steeler_fan_in_t.o.;584131]I've been saying this for well over a year, so I am not suddenly bashing a starter who is now out but...Pouncey is nowhere near as good as his accolades would suggest. He is easily the most overrated player on this team. He is average at best, and Velasco is playing at least as well, if not better.
I have said several times but I try to lock up Velasco in the 3 year - $7-8M range, with a cap hit around $2M or so for next year. I have read a few mixed things wrt Pouncey's contract for next year. It looks like he is due some sort of roster bonus, but not sure the amount. What I am pretty sure about is that the cap savings from cutting him is somewhere between $3.4M - $4.2M. I would take that savings for Velasco in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree that Pouncey is overrated. I've said this since he came out from Florida where I watched tons of his game. To his credit he has been solid as a Pro player but no way do I think he is Top 5 in the NFL.
I think they have to sign Velasco as a precaution to Pouncey going Mike Wallace on us and having ridiculous contract demands he isn't worth.
[QUOTE=steeler_fan_in_t.o.;584135]I agree, but I also believe that he has more of a makeup to be a RT, as opposed to a LT.[/QUOTE] That may be the case after it is all said & done. He does have the tools physically to be a LT but they may never be realized if he doesn't become better from the neck up. That isn't a knock on his intelligence...He just has some things to get better at to slow things down. If & When it happens is the question.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;584132]Velasco is playing good football but he isn't Pouncey. Velasco was playing good football with the Titans & he was on the street after his release. Most C's in the league are there because of limitations. When a "Pouncey" comes along... You try & hold on to them. Those "Velasco" types of Cs always become expendable after the draft. Velasco knows that story. Just ask him who Brian Schwenke is. As far as a contract, Every player in this league doesn't look for the biggest paycheck. Velasco may have found a home here & he would be happy with his role. He will be a 29 year old C. Do you think someone out there will pay him 3-4 mil a yr to be a starter? You can get a 22 year old in the 3rd or 4th round for 4 yr / 3 mil.[/QUOTE]
JPN--that 22 year old doesn't have experience and you never know whether he can make it. Velasco gives you both.
Not as sold on Pouncey as you clearly are. He is good and a solid Center but I don't think he is worth what he is likely going to be asking for especially given he is missing multiple games every year.
[QUOTE=Oviedo;584136]I totally agree that Pouncey is overrated. I've said this since he came out from Florida where I watched tons of his game. To his credit he has been solid as a Pro player but no way do I think he is Top 5 in the NFL.
I think they have to sign Velasco as a precaution to Pouncey going Mike Wallace on us and having ridiculous contract demands he isn't worth.[/QUOTE]
I do not think the Steelers should break the bank on Pouncey. I don't think he is worth the 7 yr / $50 mil Mangold got right now with his injury. The Steelers may want to see a full productive '14 before the do anything. Problem there is OL franchise numbers is a collective group of positions so the Steelers don't have anything to retain him without a 9-10 mil tag. They could gamble & try to get him at a lower price by extending him before '14. I'm sure they will talk with him & his agent in the offseason. If his price is too high they will let him start '14 on his final year. Might be in the best interest of the Steelers at that point if they think he is unsignable to trade him to the Dolphins in '14. That is why retaining Velasco may be a good idea.
[QUOTE=Oviedo;584138]JPN--that 22 year old doesn't have experience and you never know whether he can make it. Velasco gives you both.
Not as sold on Pouncey as you clearly are. He is good and a solid Center but I don't think he is worth what he is likely going to be asking for especially given he is missing multiple games every year.[/QUOTE]You are right...And that's why a Velasco was on the streets. They draft that guy & if he can play the vet hits the streets. If you read my post above...You will see my feelings on Pouncey.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;584140]I do not think the Steelers should break the bank on Pouncey. I don't think he is worth the 7 yr / $50 mil Mangold got right now with his injury. The Steelers may want to see a full productive '14 before the do anything. Problem there is OL franchise numbers is a collective group of positions so the Steelers don't have anything to retain him without a 9-10 mil tag. They could gamble & try to get him at a lower price by extending him before '14. I'm sure they will talk with him & his agent in the offseason. If his price is too high they will let him start '14 on his final year. Might be in the best interest of the Steelers at that point if they think he is unsignable to trade him to the Dolphins in '14. That is why retaining Velasco may be a good idea.[/QUOTE]
This is the perfect year to extend Pouncey. And I agree we need to keep him. Coming off a blown knee is a good time to talk some down to earth numbers. I would be thinking in the 5 year/25 million category.
[QUOTE=Shawn;584159]This is the perfect year to extend Pouncey. And I agree we need to keep him. Coming off a blown knee is a good time to talk some down to earth numbers. I would be thinking in the 5 year/25 million category.[/QUOTE]
He isn't worth much more than that. Really gets down to the guaranteed money and what he is willing to take. Lots of risk for the team given his "brittle" nature. Not sure we would want to "tag" him since the transition and franchise tags for OL at $8.7M and $9.8M respectively. He isn't worth either of those.
[QUOTE=Oviedo;584161]He isn't worth much more than that. Really gets down to the guaranteed money and what he is willing to take. Lots of risk for the team given his "brittle" nature. Not sure we would want to "tag" him since the transition and franchise tags for OL at $8.7M and $9.8M respectively. He isn't worth either of those.[/QUOTE]
The problem is the Pro Bowls and All Pros. Im sure Pouncey's agent will have him expecting to be one of the best paid linemen in the game.
[QUOTE=flippy;584167]The problem is the Pro Bowls and All Pros. Im sure Pouncey's agent will have him expecting to be one of the best paid linemen in the game.[/QUOTE]
I expect that Pouncey will go the route of Mike Wallace and overestimate his value to the team. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pouncey's together in Miami.
Crazy things happen when you follow the scheme...
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;584132]Velasco is playing good football but he isn't Pouncey. Velasco was playing good football with the Titans & he was on the street after his release. Most C's in the league are there because of limitations. When a "Pouncey" comes along... You try & hold on to them. Those "Velasco" types of Cs always become expendable after the draft. Velasco knows that story. Just ask him who Brian Schwenke is. As far as a contract, Every player in this league doesn't look for the biggest paycheck. Velasco may have found a home here & he would be happy with his role. He will be a 29 year old C. Do you think someone out there will pay him 3-4 mil a yr to be a starter? You can get a 22 year old in the 3rd or 4th round for 4 yr / 3 mil.[/QUOTE]
sorry, completely disagree. A probowl center that can't stay healthy (whether his fault or not) for 16 games isn't a probowl center. Velasco has clearly outplayed Pouncey. Velasco is with the team all of 3 months and he already has made strides vs what we get from Pouncey. Put the best players on the field at once, that includes Pouncey at guard if needed.
One general question about the Oline - do u guys think a lot of our linemen are strong enough? Really the only 2 guys I've seen really push opponents around in the run game are Foster and Adams. DD and Pouncey seem pretty quick and able to get leverage on guys and move them in the right direction.
But I do question how physical some of these guys are? Is Velasco really that good? I think he sometimes looks a little weak at the point of attack. I think he's serviceable, but not great. Especially against some of the bigger interior linemen.
[QUOTE=flippy;584218]One general question about the Oline - do u guys think a lot of our linemen are strong enough? Really the only 2 guys I've seen really push opponents around in the run game are Foster and Adams. DD and Pouncey seem pretty quick and able to get leverage on guys and move them in the right direction.
But I do question how physical some of these guys are? Is Velasco really that good? I think he sometimes looks a little weak at the point of attack. I think he's serviceable, but not great. Especially against some of the bigger interior linemen.[/QUOTE]
That's been the problem since Hartwig left, (and Dawson and Webster). The team seems to favor these light athletic guys, but there is no substitute for a fireplug that can't be moved. Without the strength, these guys need to focus on technique and leverage. Seems that's a skill that takes a while to develop.
[QUOTE=NorthCoast;584217]sorry, completely disagree. A probowl center that can't stay healthy (whether his fault or not) for 16 games isn't a probowl center. Velasco has clearly outplayed Pouncey. Velasco is with the team all of 3 months and he already has made strides vs what we get from Pouncey. Put the best players on the field at once, that includes Pouncey at guard if needed.[/QUOTE]
Velasco has clearly outplayed Pouncey? LOL... the only reason you believe this is because you have the typical Steeler microscope on Pouncey.
16
14
15
1
Those are the number of games every season for Pouncey and are you really going to hold it against him after watching DD dive on him in the open field?