Seems like a decent deal. Robinson was probably not going to make the final 53 here, same with Jones in Philly. Looks like some added insurance for the next few weeks.
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Seems like a decent deal. Robinson was probably not going to make the final 53 here, same with Jones in Philly. Looks like some added insurance for the next few weeks.
Wow! Surprising cause Jones is a RB...So does this mean maybe Bell is gonna be PUP for the start of the season ? And Jones is more of a Howling like RB, and we already have Howling, so why is Jones needed ? I mean is there a injury to Redman that we don't know about ? This is a very weird accusition to me.
Should have traded For OL, and sent Gay, Foote plus Carter.
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568953]Wow! Surprising cause Jones is a RB...So does this mean maybe Bell is gonna be PUP for the start of the season ? And Jones is more of a Howling like RB, and we already have Howling, so why is Jones needed ? I mean is there a injury to Redman that we don't know about ? This is a very weird accusition to me.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not the former for sure, as Bell isn't eligible for the PUP list. He's already practiced with the team so he can't be placed there.
They may want to be cautious with Redman so they needed another body for the final preseason games?
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568953]Wow! Surprising cause Jones is a RB...So does this mean maybe Bell is gonna be PUP for the start of the season ? And Jones is more of a Howling like RB, and we already have Howling, so why is Jones needed ? I mean is there a injury to Redman that we don't know about ? This is a very weird accusition to me.[/QUOTE]I think more is behind this move, I have a feeling either Redman or Dwyer is next for trade.
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;568957]I think more is behind this move, I have a feeling either Redman or Dwyer is next for trade.[/QUOTE]
Remember the Dwyer to Denver rumors around draft.
[QUOTE=steelsnis;568956]Well it's not the former for sure, as Bell isn't eligible for the PUP list. He's already practiced with the team so he can't be placed there.
They may want to be cautious with Redman so they needed another body for the final preseason games?[/QUOTE]
I don't think you would trade a guy like AR that showed potential just to be cautious with Redman for 2 more preaseason games. It's not like Redman is Adrian Peterson.
Outside of injuries I have always liked Felix Jones. Not sure what plans are for him but I like the move.
[QUOTE=7 UP;568960]Outside of injuries I have always liked Felix Jones. Not sure what plans are for him but I like the move.[/QUOTE]
Me two. Felix has had his injury problems throughout the years but at least he has starting experience which is something AR doesn't have right now and likely won't have for awhile because of where he stands on the depth chart.
[QUOTE=steelsnis;568956]Well it's not the former for sure, as Bell isn't eligible for the PUP list. He's already practiced with the team so he can't be placed there.
They may want to be cautious with Redman so they needed another body for the final preseason games?[/QUOTE]
Well first off, thanks for the info on Bell not being able to be on the PUP list. But as far as depth to get past the preseason ???
Sorry but I can't buy that. By all accounts Redman is back Healthy, and was said that he will be ready for the third preseason game. Dwyer is Healthy, and has looked very good. Is in great shape, and running hard. Batch is still here, and can get us through those preseason games, and we have Howling. Also, didn't we sign a RB about 10 days ago from Arizona ? He's still in camp. So I have to think when you trade for a former 1st round RB in Felix Jones, it CAN'T be just for the final 2 preseason games. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Only way this makes any sense is if Howling , who did not play against Washington because of an injury is way way worse then what any of us know, and we got Jones to replace him cause maybe Howling might be out for a while. Felix Jones, like Howling is that smaller, 3rd down type of RB who CAN catch the ball out of the backfield. Something Felix Jones HAS proven he can do.
But no way was Jones traded for just for the final 2 preseason games. There has to be something going on with Howling that we don't know about.
I don't think they like Robinson as much as we think they do. He doesn't play special teams particularly well and hasn't gotten much run this preseason. I guess they like the Baxter kid more, plus they have a bunch of young inside backers they like a lot and don't want to have to cut them?
He came out of the last Eagles pre-season game with a rib injury. He ran for 402 years last year and was 4th on the depth chart. Basically they traded for a guy who was going to be cut when teams had to get to 75 next Tuesday, 27th. This is even less exciting than David Johnson coming back. Meh....
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568963]Well first off, thanks for the info on Bell not being able to be on the PUP list. But as far as depth to get past the preseason ???
Sorry but I can't buy that. By all accounts Redman is back Healthy, and was said that he will be ready for the third preseason game. Dwyer is Healthy, and has looked very good. Is in great shape, and running hard. Batch is still here, and can get us through those preseason games, and we have Howling. Also, didn't we sign a RB about 10 days ago from Arizona ? He's still in camp. So I have to think when you trade for a former 1st round RB in Felix Jones, it CAN'T be just for the final 2 preseason games. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Only way this makes any sense is if Howling , who did not play against Washington because of an injury is way way worse then what any of us know, and we got Jones to replace him cause maybe Howling might be out for a while. Felix Jones, like Howling is that smaller, 3rd down type of RB who CAN catch the ball out of the backfield. Something Felix Jones HAS proven he can do.
But no way was Jones traded for just for the final 2 preseason games. There has to be something going on with Howling that we don't know about.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Someone else is either hurt (or hurt worese than expected) or another trade is in the works.
Remember folks when Colbert and Rooney said that the RB last year didn't cut it. And after showcasing Dwyer I'm thinking a team came calling again and Felix is just insurance.
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568963]Well first off, thanks for the info on Bell not being able to be on the PUP list. But as far as depth to get past the preseason ???
Sorry but I can't buy that. By all accounts Redman is back Healthy, and was said that he will be ready for the third preseason game. Dwyer is Healthy, and has looked very good. Is in great shape, and running hard. Batch is still here, and can get us through those preseason games, and we have Howling. Also, didn't we sign a RB about 10 days ago from Arizona ? He's still in camp. So I have to think when you trade for a former 1st round RB in Felix Jones, it CAN'T be just for the final 2 preseason games. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Only way this makes any sense is if Howling , who did not play against Washington because of an injury is way way worse then what any of us know, and we got Jones to replace him cause maybe Howling might be out for a while. Felix Jones, like Howling is that smaller, 3rd down type of RB who CAN catch the ball out of the backfield. Something Felix Jones HAS proven he can do.
But no way was Jones traded for just for the final 2 preseason games. There has to be something going on with Howling that we don't know about.[/QUOTE]
I agree this isnt about the final 2 preseason games. Steelers could have brought any UDFA in for that. Im not sure about Howlings injury. I think this move says two things. They dont beleive Redman is a NFL caliber starting back. And they dont think Dwyer will stay in shape throughout the season. So now that Bell is out for a long period of time they are desperately trying to upgrade the position.
[QUOTE=steelsnis;568964]I don't think they like Robinson as much as we think they do. He doesn't play special teams particularly well and hasn't gotten much run this preseason. I guess they like the Baxter kid more, plus they have a bunch of young inside backers they like a lot and don't want to have to cut them?[/QUOTE]
Yea.... Colbert actually gave Baxter some props early on in training camp which is great considering he's a UDFA.
Yeah, I don't necessarily there's some deeper, sinister motive here regarding the RB's.
I tend to think they just were trying to get something for a player who was probably going to be cut. Robinson's from Harrisburg, PA and played at Temple in Philly so my guess is that someone in the Eagles organization had their eye on him.
[QUOTE=7 UP;568969]I agree this isnt about the final 2 preseason games. Steelers could have brought any UDFA in for that. Im not sure about Howlings injury. I think this move says two things. They dont beleive Redman is a NFL caliber starting back. And they dont think Dwyer will stay in shape throughout the season. So now that Bell is out for a long period of time they are desperately trying to upgrade the position.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but Bell is not going to be out a long time. Maybe 4 weeks at Max from what I now read. And Dwyer's issues, even at Georgia teac were always coming into Camp overweight, and not in condition. This is what draft experts said about him when he came out, which is why he fell as far as he did. Even last year, Dwyer came in out of shape, and as the camp and season progressed, Dwyer got into shape like he has always done, and that is why Dwyer looked so good last season for us when he was put in. But I think no one, not Tomlin or Colbert thought that Dwyer would take this last off-season so seriously, and report in the great physical condition that he did. Hell Ed Bushchette even wrote about it during Mini Camp saying Dwyer easily looks to be 20-25 Lbs less then he was last year. And it very clearly shows in his performances so far. And Felix Jones, who even with his experience in Dallas HAS been a disappointment since he was drafted in round 1 some 5 years ago. But, even if he is healthy, which he has been the past 2 years, he is a part time RB who IS a 3rd down specialist. Something that Howling was signed for. So the very fact that we acquired Jones only tells me that something is up with Howling. A injury that is more serious then we all know. And if not, then I don't know why Felix was brought in at all.
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568973]Yeah but Bell is not going to be out a long time. Maybe 4 weeks at Max from what I now read. And Dwyer's issues, even at Georgia teac were always coming into Camp overweight, and not in condition. This is what draft experts said about him when he came out, which is why he fell as far as he did. Even last year, Dwyer came in out of shape, and as the camp and season progressed, Dwyer got into shape like he has always done, and that is why Dwyer looked so good last season for us when he was put in. But I think no one, not Tomlin or Colbert thought that Dwyer would take this last off-season so seriously, and report in the great physical condition that he did. Hell Ed Bushchette even wrote about it during Mini Camp saying Dwyer easily looks to be 20-25 Lbs less then he was last year. And it very clearly shows in his performances so far. And Felix Jones, who even with his experience in Dallas HAS been a disappointment since he was drafted in round 1 some 5 years ago. But, even if he is healthy, which he has been the past 2 years, he is a part time RB who IS a 3rd down specialist. Something that Howling was signed for. So the very fact that we acquired Jones only tells me that something is up with Howling. A injury that is more serious then we all know. And if not, then I don't know why Felix was brought in at all.[/QUOTE]
Came to trainging camp in shape. Only because he thoughthe may get cut after showing up at OTAS earlier at 265 pds. Coach"s pretty much ignored him at OTA's. I think they are worried that the light will never go off in his head to take care of his body year round.
[QUOTE=Bluto;568975]Came to trainging camp in shape. Only because he thoughthe may get cut after showing up at OTAS earlier at 265 pds. Coach"s pretty much ignored him at OTA's. I think they are worried that the light will never go off in his head to take care of his body year round.[/QUOTE]
First off, Dwyer has never seen 265 in his life. And second, he weighed in at Camp at 224 Lbs, And reportedly ran in the low 4,4's in the forty. And regardless of what they might THINK...that has nothing to do with getting a former 1st round RB who has failed, and is not a durable RB at any point in his career. So your response points are ridiculous.
As much as I like Robinson as a pass rusher, I love this trade. I can see a no huddle offense with Brown, Sanders, Wheaton, Howling, and Jones all on the field together. Spread em out and give these open field runners some room to work.
None of the backs on our roster have shown an ability to stay healthy and carry the load. Jones is another in the same mold. But the one difference is Jones has averaged close to 5 YPC thru his career thus far. This probably means Dunn won't make the roster with another potential returner in Jones.
And Barron Batch can focus more on his art now.
With where Haley's offense is going, I see Jones as a great fit in Pittsburgh.
Bell fans are fooling themselves thinking that a foot injury on a RB is a quick fix. Bell MAY be back after week 2 or 3 of the regular season but he could easily take up to 8 weeks before he could practice. Robinson has shown flashes but this move is about now. Investment speaking...It is a win for the Steelers. A 1st rounder for an UDFA. He is a starting RB if he could stay healthy and could help you in the return game.
[QUOTE=flippy;568979]As much as I like Robinson as a pass rusher, I love this trade. I can see a no huddle offense with Brown, Sanders, Wheaton, Howling, and Jones all on the field together. Spread em out and give these open field runners some room to work.
None of the backs on our roster have shown an ability to stay healthy and carry the load. Jones is another in the same mold. But the one difference is Jones has averaged close to 5 YPC thru his career thus far. This probably means Dunn won't make the roster with another potential returner in Jones.
And Barron Batch can focus more on his art now.
With where Haley's offense is going, I see Jones as a great fit in Pittsburgh.[/QUOTE]
That's laughable. You already have a guy, who was 4th on the Eagles depth Chart, and they were never exactly chalk-filled with great RB's...on the field with us when Jones has NEVER played in a offense like Haley's. And has no concept of our Playbook. :wft
Not a chance in hell son.
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568981]That's laughable. You already have a guy, who was 4th on the Eagles depth Chart, and they were never exactly chalk-filled with great RB's...on the field with us when Jones has NEVER played in a offense like Haley's. And has no concept of our Playbook. :wft
Not a chance in hell son.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Dad!
Jones is a nice pickup as long as they don't try to turn him into Fran Rogel.
[QUOTE=MrCrash;568985]Jones is a nice pickup as long as they don't try to turn him into Fran Rogel.[/QUOTE]
You know we'll be running Jones and Howling up the middle and trying to get Dwyer and Redman on the edge. That's just our running game :)
Quite a few RB's/WR's have had the Lisfranc Injury, and have made it back on the field in 6 weeks. And Bell doesn't even have Lisfranc injury, so how you or anyone here can say he won't see the field for 2 months is ridiculous. I'm telling you, this trade has something to do with Howling. Cause Jones and Howling are simular players. 3rd down RB's. Jones has nothing to do with Redman's game or Dwyer. BOTH are making this roster. We have always had 4 RB's on a roster, sometimes even 5. So the Felix Jones trade does not mean the end for either Dwyer or Redman. It means the end of Batch for sure. And it means that Felix was brought in to compete with Howling. Either he is hurt. Or Howling, even though Impressive in the first preseason game, has NOT been Impressive in practice. And maybe the Steelers wanted a different 3rd down option other then Howling.
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568981]That's laughable. You already have a guy, who was 4th on the Eagles depth Chart, and they were never exactly chalk-filled with great RB's...on the field with us when Jones has NEVER played in a offense like Haley's. And has no concept of our Playbook. :wft
Not a chance in hell son.[/QUOTE] Eagles have McCoy & Brown. They are solid at #1 & #2. Polk & Tucker have shown enough for the Eagles to be happy to make one of them #3. Jones would be a guaranteed salary if on the roster week 1. Business wise...You go with Polk or Tucker.
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;568955]Should have traded For OL, and sent Gay, Foote plus Carter.[/QUOTE]
I would have traded for OL too, but the Steelers even making a trade is big news
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568988]Quite a few RB's/WR's have had the Lisfranc Injury, and have made it back on the field in 6 weeks. And Bell doesn't even have Lisfranc injury, so how you or anyone here can say he won't see the field for 2 months is ridiculous. I'm telling you, this trade has something to do with Howling. Cause Jones and Howling are simular players. 3rd down RB's. Jones has nothing to do with Redman's game or Dwyer. BOTH are making this roster. We have always had 4 RB's on a roster, sometimes even 5. So the Felix Jones trade does not mean the end for either Dwyer or Redman. It means the end of Batch for sure. And it means that Felix was brought in to compete with Howling. Either he is hurt. Or Howling, even though Impressive in the first preseason game, has NOT been Impressive in practice. And maybe the Steelers wanted a different 3rd down option other then Howling.[/QUOTE] None of us know the severity of the injury. But I'm telling you...There is no way you or anyone else can say he will be back in 2-4 weeks. I have seen foot injuries keep skill guys out 4-8 weeks. Depends on severity and how much pain a player could endure. He will have discomfort for a long time the following day. He will have to flex his foot to knock the pain out. I suffered a foot sprain. I missed 1 week but I was an OL. I had the thing wrapped tighter than 10 lbs of sausage in a 2lb bag. I had to endure the pain to play. It was 9 weeks until I could actually stand up after being off my feet for awhile and not limp for the first 10 steps. You put that on a RB...He will be a average RB making himself a target and the coaching staff won't let him on the field until he shows no effects.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;568994]None of us know the severity of the injury. But I'm telling you...There is no way you or anyone else can say he will be back in 2-4 weeks. I have seen foot injuries keep skill guys out 4-8 weeks. Depends on severity and how much pain a player could endure. He will have discomfort for a long time the following day. He will have to flex his foot to knock the pain out. I suffered a foot sprain. I missed 1 week but I was an OL. I had the thing wrapped tighter than 10 lbs of sausage in a 2lb bag. I had to endure the pain to play. It was 9 weeks until I could actually stand up after being off my feet for awhile and not limp for the first 10 steps. You put that on a RB...He will be a average RB making himself a target and the coaching staff won't let him on the field until he shows no effects.[/QUOTE]
Ahhh, YES we do know the severity. It was announced yesterday after TWO...TWO different Doctors, the absolute BEST in the world said Bell's injury is NOT Lisfranc related at all. It is NOT Torn in anyway, shape or form. And surgery is obviously not needed. And I guarantee you that Bell will be back practicing by week 2 of the regular season, and will be getting PT in game 3, or game 4 at the latest!!
Wanna bet ?...name your stakes!!
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568995]Ahhh, YES we do know the severity. It was announced yesterday after TWO...TWO different Doctors, the absolute BEST in the world said Bell's injury is NOT Lisfranc related at all. It is NOT Torn in anyway, shape or form. And surgery is obviously not needed. And I guarantee you that Bell will be back practicing by week 2 of the regular season, and will be getting PT in game 3, or game 4 at the latest!!
Wanna bet ?...name your stakes!![/QUOTE] If they knew the severity the Doctors & Tomlin would know a timetable. Week 3 of the regular season is 5 weeks after injury & week 4 is 6 weeks. So did you change your mind or not think it through?
No. I am going by the fact that there is no time table cause Tomlin does not want to rush him back, and place any pressure on the kid to try and comeback before he is ready. But, I do know that after 3 days, Bell himself said the swelling is all but gone, and that 2 days ago, he couldn't put any pressure on his foot, but now he can, quite alot according to him. So that tells me that the 21 year olds body is doing its work. And that the Sprain is not all that bad. Now when he does comeback, you're right, no one knows totally for sure. Hell Bell may say he can practice and play in week 1...we don't know. But what we absolutely DO know is this...that the Injury he got in NO way will hinder him in the future. The NC Doctor, who is the world BEST Specialist at Foot Injuries said so. And he must know a thing or two more then you do son!
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568976]First off, Dwyer has never seen 265 in his life. And second, he weighed in at Camp at 224 Lbs, And reportedly ran in the low 4,4's in the forty. And regardless of what they might THINK...that has nothing to do with getting a former 1st round RB who has failed, and is not a durable RB at any point in his career. So your response points are ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Found this on the web pretty easily. True or not, there was certainly talk about hiom being at the 265 mark:
[FONT=verdana]But according to Rotoworld.com, Dwyer topped the scales at 265 pounds in the spring when he reported for OTAs[/FONT]
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;569001]No. I am going by the fact that there is no time table cause Tomlin does not want to rush him back, and place any pressure on the kid to try and comeback before he is ready. But, I do know that after 3 days, Bell himself said the swelling is all but gone, and that 2 days ago, he couldn't put any pressure on his foot, but now he can, quite alot according to him. So that tells me that the 21 year olds body is doing its work. And that the Sprain is not all that bad. Now when he does comeback, you're right, no one knows totally for sure. Hell Bell may say he can practice and play in week 1...we don't know. But what we absolutely DO know is this...that the Injury he got in NO way will hinder him in the future. The NC Doctor, who is the world BEST Specialist at Foot Injuries said so. And he must know a thing or two more then you do son![/QUOTE] Nowhere did I say it will hinder him in the future kid. If football was about putting pressure on your foot he would be in good shape. When this NC Doctor who seems to be your daddy says anything that contradicts what I have said...You may have an argument. But...That didn't happen little man.
Ghost, Dwyer was weighed at the start of Camp...was 224 Lbs. Was run tested, like everyone is, came in according to Ed Bushchette at 4.45 in the forty. And as far as in the games, he has been one of the best RB's I have watched on ANY team. And thats with OUR Cruddy O-Line. If Dwyer is not our game 1 starter, then thats another reason to fire Tomlin IMHO!
Dwyer was big at OTA's. Pissed the FO and Tomlin off. They told him to get ready for the "Run test" at Latrobe, or else.
I think everyone can understand what that meant in it's own subtle way.
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;568981]That's laughable. You already have a guy, who was 4th on the Eagles depth Chart, and they were never exactly chalk-filled with great RB's...on the field with us when Jones has NEVER played in a offense like Haley's. And has no concept of our Playbook. :wft
Not a chance in hell son.[/QUOTE]
ummm.... McShady is beast in Philly
[QUOTE=sedatedsteelerfan;569005]Ghost, Dwyer was weighed at the start of Camp...was 224 Lbs. Was run tested, like everyone is, came in according to Ed Bushchette at 4.45 in the forty. And as far as in the games, he has been one of the best RB's I have watched on ANY team. And thats with OUR Cruddy O-Line. If Dwyer is not our game 1 starter, then thats another reason to fire Tomlin IMHO![/QUOTE]
And as far as in the games, he has been one of the best RB's I have watched on ANY team <----- Seriously? hahahahahaha, that just made my Friday.
And thats with OUR Cruddy O-Line <---- Our line isn't that cruddy in run blocking. It's pass blocking thats the problem
[QUOTE=flippy;568983]Thanks Dad![/QUOTE]
awe this is like a movie. They're reunified!