Often injured last year but only 24. Worth a shot at a fair contract?
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Often injured last year but only 24. Worth a shot at a fair contract?
They take enough of our discards, why not take one of theirs?
Worth kicking the tyres, at the least.
I like Wells if he can get healthy.
Well, we would have to invest in another whirlpool... with him and Dwyer (and Redman too), we need a jacuzzi-sized whirlpool.
I hope not
Duce II...
Draft someone who has a chance to be something. Wells will never be anything.
Our best option IMO is the draft, get a young dude who is hungry knowing he has a chance to start being drafted by the Steelers, and most likely at a cost the Steelers can afford.
I love Wells. I like how he runs. But, he couldnt stay healthy in college, nor the pros. But, make no mistake a healthy Wells is a truck load.
I was a big OSU fan...I predicted that Beanie would barely play in the NFL because he was always injured with the Buckeyes. Every game he went down with something. The worst part is it seemed he wanted attention or was just lacking in the heart area cause his injuries weren't huge. Trust me, stay away from this dude!
Wells did seem to lack heart when it came to playing through injury. But, he runs with authority. I wouldn't mind having him on the roster as long as you are not looking for him to be the primary back.
Bells has been neither productive nor healthy. I'll pass.
[QUOTE=pittpete;552814]I hope not[/QUOTE]
literally what i said when i read the subject... "Gawd, I hope not"
[QUOTE=phillyesq;552922]Bells has been neither productive nor healthy. I'll pass.[/QUOTE]
Not sure I can completely agree. When healthy Wells is a 4+ yards per carry back with a nack for finding the endzone.
[QUOTE=Shawn;552931]Not sure I can completely agree. When healthy Wells is a 4+ yards per carry back with a nack for finding the endzone.[/QUOTE]
Aren't you a buckeye fan? :confused:
Well he "Reeks" of a Steeler FA signing. Wouldn't hurt the Comp picks because he was cut. (Part of the "Steeler Type") He had some injuries but none significant. Wake up call? Would be nice for the Steelers to benefit from that.
2 years younger than Mendy. In 4 years, 625/2,471 24 TDs. By season avg compared to Mendy...very similiar. Mendy is 173/709 6 TDs & Wells is 156/618 6 TDs. Low risk incentive deal...Why not? The backfield would be better and removes the need to draft one early. They could focus on a "change up" later. Redman will be 29 this year so having two 24 year olds & a rookie is a good start.
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;552933]Aren't you a buckeye fan? :confused:[/QUOTE]
And? Considering I have seen most of his games in college, and have followed his career in the pros...it makes me more qualified than most to evaluate his talent which IMO is evident. I'm the first to bust on a Buckeye when I dont like their play...ie Mike Adams.
[QUOTE=Shawn;552939]And? Considering I have seen most of his games in college, and have followed his career in the pros...it makes me more qualified than most to evaluate his talent which IMO is evident. I'm the first to bust on a Buckeye when I dont like their play...ie Mike Adams.[/QUOTE]
Was establishing the perspective.. I think it also makes you biased.. ask me if I want Michael Bush...
Beanie was a STUD in college. He's been "average" in the pros. We already have a couple of average RBs on the roster. He wouldn't be a horrible add. But, you'd want "better than what we have" - i think he's on par with what we have...
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;552948]Was establishing the perspective.. I think it also makes you biased.. ask me if I want Michael Bush...
Beanie was a STUD in college. He's been "average" in the pros. We already have a couple of average RBs on the roster. He wouldn't be a horrible add. But, you'd want "better than what we have" - i think he's on par with what we have...[/QUOTE]
his college production inflated his value AND expectations. For what the Steelers would need him for, i think he's worth a look.
[QUOTE=Shawn;552931]Not sure I can completely agree. When healthy Wells is a 4+ yards per carry back with a nack for finding the endzone.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what his health has been like in specific seasons, other than that he is rarely healthy. Below 4 YPC in 2 of 4 seasons:
[URL]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WellCh00.htm[/URL]
AZ seemed like they had seen more than enough of Wells, especially with the drafting of Ryan Williams in the second.
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;552948]Was establishing the perspective.. I think it also makes you biased.. ask me if I want Michael Bush...
Beanie was a STUD in college. He's been "average" in the pros. We already have a couple of average RBs on the roster. He wouldn't be a horrible add. But, you'd want "better than what we have" - i think he's on par with what we have...[/QUOTE]
Biased in the sense that I have actually seen him play. I don't want former Buckeyes who can't contribute. A healthy Wells is better than Dwyer or Redman.
[QUOTE=phillyesq;552968]I'm not sure what his health has been like in specific seasons, other than that he is rarely healthy. Below 4 YPC in 2 of 4 seasons:
[URL]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WellCh00.htm[/URL]
AZ seemed like they had seen more than enough of Wells, especially with the drafting of Ryan Williams in the second.[/QUOTE]
I agree about his health. He has struggled to stay healthy. And if you bring Wells on, you must realize you might only get 100-200 carries out of him. But, if you look at his healthy seasons he finds the endzone and runs well over 4 yards a carry. That is better than anything we currently have.
[QUOTE=Shawn;552969]Biased in the sense that I have actually seen him play. I don't want former Buckeyes who can't contribute. A healthy Wells is better than Dwyer or Redman.[/QUOTE]
but, when you have to qualify it with "a healthy..." you know the guy is a bit of a risk... a healthy Bob Sanders is better than ryan clark... (sorry - i just had to laugh at myself on that one)
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;552971]but, when you have to qualify it with "a healthy..." you know the guy is a bit of a risk... a healthy Bob Sanders is better than ryan clark... (sorry - i just had to laugh at myself on that one)[/QUOTE]
What risk? It's not like the guy will break the bank.
[QUOTE=Shawn;552972]What risk? It's not like the guy will break the bank.[/QUOTE]
the risk is: filling a potential starting roster spot with someone who is about on par with your other backs and very likely to be injured... IMO, I'd rather spend a mid-round draft pick on an RB than take an chance on having a 2nd Duce...
Duce Staley II:shock:
[QUOTE=Shawn;552972]What risk? It's not like the guy will break the bank.[/QUOTE]
Today, I'll say DUUUCE, but, if they sign him, I'll be pleased that they got a 1st round talent for cheap and hope like hell that he stays healthy... seemed to be a quality person and a leader, iirc
Please say no to Beanie Wells.
I'd rather sign no one as a FA and draft Lattimore than go after Wells.
[QUOTE=steelz09;553479]Please say no to Beanie Wells.
I'd rather sign no one as a FA and draft Lattimore than go after Wells.[/QUOTE]
dude, i'm SO with you on that one!!
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;553481]dude, i'm SO with you on that one!![/QUOTE]
Yup... I like your mock draft. If he's available (unlikely), I might add DeAndre Hopkins in the 2nd and then switch up your 3rd. Or, I would definitely go with the BPA Safety in the 2nd round and keep Dobson as your 3rd.
I'm curious to see who you'll have in round 2. As far as Lattimore goes, this guy is a stud. Yes, the two severe knee injures are a concern but I don't think I could pass by the guy if he's available in the 4th. It's actually his latest knee injury which is the concern because he was playing fine last year (off an ACL tear) before he injured the other leg.
I remember when Ray Rice came out. I watched him a lot in college and I just knew that guy was going to do well in the pros. My only concern with Rice is whether he had to much wear on his tires. I was initially concerned about that with Lattimore but his injuries cut way into his college career. I have the same feeling for Lattimore that I had about Rice when he came out.
Living in South Carolina, I obviously watch a lot of Gamecock football (and I'm not a Gamecock fan). I am a Lattimore fan though. This guy has deceptive speed, outstanding vision and instincts, and a very rare ability to slip tackles and sniff out the goal line. He's easily a starter in this league from a talent perspective.
If we are looking at RB's that are an injury risk, sign me on for Ahmad Bradshaw.
We already have two RBs prone to injury. If we add a third, then we might have a complete back who can finish a season.
[QUOTE=Shawn;553502]We already have two RBs prone to injury. If we add a third, then we might have a complete back who can finish a season.[/QUOTE]
Most teams hold onto their RB's when they are sturdy and good. Unfortunately we drafted an oft injured space cadet so now have to pick through the old and oft injured cast offs to try and improve our crappy runningback stable. Yeah, we'll probably draft a RB. But right now we only have Dwyer and Barron Batch signed on for sure for the season...with Redman more than likely coming back as well. If Dwyer, Redman, Draftee, and Batch are all the Steelers feel they need then so be it. I would personally try and draft two RB's this draft.
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;553498]If we are looking at RB's that are an injury risk, sign me on for Ahmad Bradshaw.[/QUOTE]
he looked much slower this past season than he did in other years... that's why the giants let him go. wouldn't touch him..
Damned NFL package - i watch sooo many games... I had a Falcons fan come over and watch games with me one day... I knew Michael Turner was gone, too...
Hmmm...People don't want Wells because he has been injured but you want to take Lattimore in the draft? Wells has been "Banged up" at many times but nothing significant. Lattimore had two significant knee injuires in college and hasn't seen the field since the last one. I'm not trying to offend & won't even say the word...But really?
If Wells could come cheap...Why not? We are talking about someone who will be 25 this year. 23 starts in 51 games over 4 years. 625/2,471 (4 avg) 24 Tds. On a team that had 1 winning season over the last 4 years going 28-36. He may or may not be a feature back but the Steelers won't get one of them in FA.
Redman will be 29 and he is a role player. Dwyer will be 24 & is the only player on this roster with any chance of being a rotation guy. Everyone loves Batch as a person but he is a ST RB & there is significant room for upgrade above him. You still draft a RB in the mid rounds who could be a feature 3 down back. Lots of questions at RB and Redman & Dwyer will be playing on 1 year deals. If they felt sure they were the answer...They wouldn't be. Wells went on notice after his release...I would take a chance on that and hope the Steelers see the reward. There is a very good chance one of Dwyer or Redman won't be here after 2013. There is a chance one doesn't make the final cut if the Steelers upgrade. Don't buy any Redman, Dwyer, and Batch jerseys. They all will need to seperate themselves if the want to stick around.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;553518]Hmmm...People don't want Wells because he has been injured but you want to take Lattimore in the draft? Wells has been "Banged up" at many times but nothing significant. Lattimore had two significant knee injuires in college and hasn't seen the field since the last one. I'm not trying to offend & won't even say the word...But really?
If Wells could come cheap...Why not? We are talking about someone who will be 25 this year. 23 starts in 51 games over 4 years. 625/2,471 (4 avg) 24 Tds. On a team that had 1 winning season over the last 4 years going 28-36. He may or may not be a feature back but the Steelers won't get one of them in FA.
Redman will be 29 and he is a role player. Dwyer will be 24 & is the only player on this roster with any chance of being a rotation guy. Everyone loves Batch as a person but he is a ST RB & there is significant room for upgrade above him. You still draft a RB in the mid rounds who could be a feature 3 down back. Lots of questions at RB and Redman & Dwyer will be playing on 1 year deals. If they felt sure they were the answer...They wouldn't be. Wells went on notice after his release...I would take a chance on that and hope the Steelers see the reward. There is a very good chance one of Dwyer or Redman won't be here after 2013. There is a chance one doesn't make the final cut if the Steelers upgrade. Don't buy any Redman, Dwyer, and Batch jerseys. They all will need to seperate themselves if the want to stick around.[/QUOTE]
I hear ya... but, there's a few simple reasons it would make sense... Lattimore would be cheaper, at the cost of a 4th or 5th round salary.. he's also a better runner than Beanie, dare i say, "when healthy"... that's the big thing, IMO. If i take an "oft injured" player, why not swing for the fences?
Besides, there's another difference in "knee injury" vs "banged up many times"...
These days, knee injury, you're out a year, you're back -- heck, Willis McGahee has gone on to a "solid" career after a very gruesome injury... knee injuries are freak injuries that aren't career ending like they were 30 years ago.
OTOH, banged up many times, is a pattern - who knows, maybe genetics... not enough bone density, bad muscles/joints, maybe they're just wimps with a low pain tolerance... DeAngelo Williams? Joseph Addai? love their talent... wouldn't touch them... At this point, if Polamalu was a FA coming from another team, not sure I'd want him...
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;553525]I hear ya... but, there's a few simple reasons it would make sense... Lattimore would be cheaper, at the cost of a 4th or 5th round salary.. he's also a better runner than Beanie, dare i say, "when healthy"... that's the big thing, IMO. If i take an "oft injured" player, why not swing for the fences?
Besides, there's another difference in "knee injury" vs "banged up many times"...
These days, knee injury, you're out a year, you're back -- heck, Willis McGahee has gone on to a "solid" career after a very gruesome injury... knee injuries are freak injuries that aren't career ending like they were 30 years ago.
OTOH, banged up many times, is a pattern - who knows, maybe genetics... not enough bone density, bad muscles/joints, maybe they're just wimps with a low pain tolerance... DeAngelo Williams? Joseph Addai? love their talent... wouldn't touch them... At this point, if Polamalu was a FA coming from another team, not sure I'd want him...[/QUOTE]
Cheaper financially yes...But that is it. Using a 4th round pick investment...Add that in. Wells has been injured but he has shown production. Lattimore was productive in college as was Wells. Wells went 585/3,382 (5.8 avg) 30 Tds in college. Lattimore went 555/2,677 (4.8 avg) 38 tds in college. Lattimore had two severe knee injuries and Wells already has an NFL resume. It won't get easier for Lattimore in the NFL. The concern ALWAYS for bigger backs coming into the NFL is durabilty concerns because they will be getting hit by bigger faster players. Since he already suffered two significant knee injuries...How well can he hold up to Ss taking out his knees? BIG Red Flag. So I am a "Pass" on Lattimore.
There are far more examples of players who suffer knee injuries and never return to form or are forced out early than comeback stories. Saying "not enough bone density, bad muscles/joints" isn't any different than saying weak ligaments cartilage when it comes to knee injuries. Knee injuires are far more significant than someone just being banged up. Like you said, players miss seasons with knee injuries and threaten their output level. "Banged up" could equate to games missed...Which has been Well's case. I agree 100% about toughness to being "banged up". Toughness goes to the line of a young player coming into the NFL and commitment. Wells got cut after being a 1st rounder. That could be the benefit of the Steelers if he heeds that wake-up call. Simple advice to Wells...Which you hope the light went on with the release: You aren't a kid anymore...You are a professional. There is a difference between being hurt & being injured. Sometimes a change of scenery...A better organization....And your "last chance" contract has a way of turing it around.
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;553543]There are far more examples of players who suffer knee injuries and never return to form or are forced out early than comeback stories. [/QUOTE]
Through history? sure. But, there's probably more examples of moms dying in childbirth... We're talking today's expectations...
In recent history, there's more examples of coming back than not... is anyone suspecting RGIII won't be back? Is anybody saying, "we need a 1st round TE, cuz Heath will never be back!"
[QUOTE=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY;553543]Cheaper financially yes...But that is it. Using a 4th round pick investment...Add that in. Wells has been injured but he has shown production. Lattimore was productive in college as was Wells. Wells went 585/3,382 (5.8 avg) 30 Tds in college. Lattimore went 555/2,677 (4.8 avg) 38 tds in college. Lattimore had two severe knee injuries and Wells already has an NFL resume. It won't get easier for Lattimore in the NFL. The concern ALWAYS for bigger backs coming into the NFL is durabilty concerns because they will be getting hit by bigger faster players. Since he already suffered two significant knee injuries...How well can he hold up to Ss taking out his knees? BIG Red Flag. So I am a "Pass" on Lattimore.
There are far more examples of players who suffer knee injuries and never return to form or are forced out early than comeback stories. Saying "not enough bone density, bad muscles/joints" isn't any different than saying weak ligaments cartilage when it comes to knee injuries. Knee injuires are far more significant than someone just being banged up. Like you said, players miss seasons with knee injuries and threaten their output level. "Banged up" could equate to games missed...Which has been Well's case. I agree 100% about toughness to being "banged up". Toughness goes to the line of a young player coming into the NFL and commitment. Wells got cut after being a 1st rounder. That could be the benefit of the Steelers if he heeds that wake-up call. Simple advice to Wells...Which you hope the light went on with the release: You aren't a kid anymore...You are a professional. There is a difference between being hurt & being injured. Sometimes a change of scenery...A better organization....And your "last chance" contract has a way of turing it around.[/QUOTE]
Lattimore played in the big boy league of college football against the closest thing to NFL talent college has and has been a feeding ground for NFL teams.
I think it is unfair to Lattimore to even reference the first knee injury like that's a huge deal. He was playing very well which showed me his first ACL injury was heeled. There should not be much of a concern because by next year, that knee will now have 2 years of recovery under it's belt.
It's his latest knee injury which should be the primary concern since it did injury 3 ligaments.. Without last year's injury, Lattimore would have been the first RB taken in this year's draft.... no doubt.
No way should we pass on him in the 4th.... if he's even available there.
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;553579]Through history? sure. But, there's probably more examples of moms dying in childbirth... We're talking today's expectations...
In recent history, there's more examples of coming back than not... is anyone suspecting RGIII won't be back? Is anybody saying, "we need a 1st round TE, cuz Heath will never be back!"[/QUOTE]
Nobody is saying people don't come back from knee injuires. Todays expectations? Multiple torn knee ligaments or sprained ankle? It is ridiculous to compare knee injuries against all other injuires in expectations of recovery. You are making it sound like you are more confident in someone coming back to form off a torn ACL than a high ankle sprain.
You don't consider how many high school & college football player careers ended before they began with knee injuries. People come back...I'm not disputing that. How effective they can be at their related position is always a concern. You start piling them up...Then end is near. You want a college RB who tore every ligament in both knees & never played an NFL down over a kid who had sprained ankles, turf toe, or pulled hamstring with an NFL resume. I'm not going to argue your preference. Teams aren't setting their draft board and lumping together "concerns" on players in the "knee surgery, concussion, boo boo" column.