Get ready for another season of run, run, pass, punt dink and donk offense.
Report that Haley told Bidwell it would take a lot of cash for him to leave the Steelers per Gulac.
Get ready for another season of run, run, pass, punt dink and donk offense.
Report that Haley told Bidwell it would take a lot of cash for him to leave the Steelers per Gulac.
Not really good news. I haven't met a Steeler fan who likes Haley or think he does a good job. What would it take to adapt a Patriots mindset of never being predictable? God, I hate this.
Taking bets when Ben and Haley finally blow up, Or hear Ben whine.
good news.. offense was good until ben got hurt and will be better in it's 2nd year..
[QUOTE=LordVile;544706]good news.. offense was good until ben got hurt and will be better in it's 2nd year..[/QUOTE]It was good the first half of the season but did teams catch on to the dink and donk and start playing for it and if so if Haley didn't adjust I will not count on it getting better maybe worse.
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;544709]It was good the first half of the season but did teams catch on to the dink and donk and start playing for it and if so if Haley didn't adjust I will not count on it getting better maybe worse.[/QUOTE] so teams caught on, I think Haley will adjust....but will Ben adjust to not have an old fatherly figure (who offered no fatherly guidance...see past accusations)
Even Ben was complaining about opening it up. If he adjust then cool if not then this is sad news.
if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?
[QUOTE=costanza2k1;544714]if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?[/QUOTE]I agree 100 % but what do you think Ben thinks or better question how do you think he will act , so like I said this might be sad news.
Ben will be fine and the Offense will be better because of the stability, especially as guys get healthy. If Ben has ever whined about Haley in public, I missed it. And no, some crack about the playcalling is not even remotely whining. It's a healthy work environment.
[QUOTE=costanza2k1;544714]if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?[/QUOTE]
Yea, but none of us (I think that's safe to say) have a contract for $100 million or have done anything for a billion $ company like win two Super Bowls. That buys leverage and power, even if the powers that be don't admit to it. Someone brought up a good point in here today: Trying to win the time of possession battle EARLY in the game is kind of worthless, but that seems to be their plan. It is far more important to jump to a lead, increase that lead and _THEN_ work on the grind-it-out, time-of-possession mode (if you wish, but NE never goes into that mode; they prefer to get up by 30 instead).
The dink and dunk offense seems to work just fine in NE. I'm glad Haley is coming back....Ben was having a career best season, stat wise, until his injury.
[QUOTE=Sugar;544719]Ben will be fine and the Offense will be better because of the stability, especially as guys get healthy. If Ben has ever whined about Haley in public, I missed it. And no, some crack about the playcalling is not even remotely whining. It's a healthy work environment.[/QUOTE]
No, his crack about play calling was whining, and, he kind of confirmed it by coming out publicly and admitting he apologized to the powers that be about his comment. If him saying he didn't keep throwing to Heath - which was killing it in the 1st half - because "of the plays that were being called" that certainly is a form of complaining - somewhat veiled - but a form of complaining, nonetheless.
[QUOTE=lloydroid;544722]No, his crack about play calling was whining, and, he kind of confirmed it by coming out publicly and admitting he apologized to the powers that be about his comment. If him saying he didn't keep throwing to Heath - which was killing it in the 1st half - because "of the plays that were being called" that certainly is a form of complaining - somewhat veiled - but a form of complaining, nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
If people are babies enough to be offended by that, then they deserve to be offended. Haley even said himself that there was nothing to apologize for. The media microscope will always be focused on every little thing based on who these guys are. That doesn't mean that clear thinking fans such as myself have to buy into their talking points.
[QUOTE=SteelBucks;544721]The dink and dunk offense seems to work just fine in NE. I'm glad Haley is coming back....Ben was having a career best season, stat wise, until his injury.[/QUOTE]
Bro, the "dink and dunk" used by NE is vastly different than ours. First of all, Pats can and will call any play at any time; you won't see them locked into trying to rush on most 1st and 2nd downs. They will then go to the run on 3rd and 15, and get a first down doing it! You just never know with them. They might go with 15 straight passes, or 6 straight runs. They are the master of being unpredictable, which has failed to dawn on this team as a good quality. Also, every player seems capable of taking part of any play - they will use a TE on a rushing play or send a HB deep down the sideline for a long pass. Pgh as none of this type of versatility.
[QUOTE=Sugar;544723]If people are babies enough to be offended by that, then they deserve to be offended. Haley even said himself that there was nothing to apologize for. The media microscope will always be focused on every little thing based on who these guys are. That doesn't mean that clear thinking fans such as myself have to buy into their talking points.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, so why did Ben have to publicly say that he apologized for those comments? And, if this was the first time he said something of the sort, then that's one thing. But, he constantly offers little veiled comments and he always has every since his 3rd season. Just because Haley wisely said there was no issue doesn't mean there wasn't. That was just the wise route to go by Haley: avoid the drama, try to move on and forward.
[QUOTE=lloydroid;544725] They might go with 15 straight passes[/QUOTE]
I see you recall the opening game of the 2002 season. :D
[QUOTE=lloydroid;544727]Hmmm, so why did Ben have to publicly say that he apologized for those comments? And, if this was the first time he said something of the sort, then that's one thing. But, he constantly offers little veiled comments and he always has every since his 3rd season. Just because Haley wisely said there was no issue doesn't mean there wasn't. That was just the wise route to go by Haley: avoid the drama, try to move on and forward.[/QUOTE]
Whatever makes you feel better....
[QUOTE=tiproast;544729]I see you recall the opening game of the 2002 season. :D[/QUOTE]
Running in salt. It's too long ago to provide much pain though. Two Super Bowl rings since have reduced that irritant. :p
[QUOTE=costanza2k1;544714]if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?[/QUOTE]
:Agree A lot of people have managers they don't like. It happens... It's common. I'm tired of seeing Ben's piss poor expressions when Haley tries to approach him on the sidelines. He gives Haley the :roll: look. I've seen Haley try to approach Ben when he's walking to the sideline and Ben walked in the opposite direction. I saw both of these actions on numerous occasions. Ben needs to stop being a whiny :Binky
[QUOTE=Sugar;544733]Whatever makes you feel better....[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, I don't see how any acknowledgment of the above makes me feel any better. Everyone knows Ben is a drama queen. He doesn't feel right unless he has some ready-made excuses, etc.
[QUOTE=lloydroid;544737]Running in salt. It's too long ago to provide much pain though. Two Super Bowl rings since have reduced that irritant. :p[/QUOTE]
It was a long time ago, and I added the smiley face to my post to try to take a little bit off of the rubbing it in aspect.
And as I as recall, your team made the playoffs that year, and my team didn't.
[QUOTE=steelz09;544738]:Agree A lot of people have managers they don't like. It happens... It's common. I'm tired of seeing Ben's piss poor expressions when Haley tries to approach him on the sidelines. He gives Haley the :roll: look. I've seen Haley try to approach Ben when he's walking to the sideline and Ben walked in the opposite direction. I saw both of these actions on numerous occasions. Ben needs to stop being a whiny :Binky[/QUOTE]
:Agree I have seen the same thing. How many managers would put up with that kind of treatment in the real world? It's akin to being at a trade show, and your manager wants to give you some pointers and/or ask you a question, and you simply walk away from him as he/she approaches. That shows a real lack of respect. He should at least give him the respect of acting appropriately and _pretending_ to care what he has to say, at the very least.
In Haley's 2nd year with the Cardinals, he went to the Super Bowl. He also had the #1 passing offense. In his 2nd year with the Chiefs, he won his division. He also had the #1 rushing offense.
WELCOME TO SEASON #2 COACH HALEY!!!!!
[QUOTE=Steelhere10;544709]It was good the first half of the season but did teams catch on to the dink and donk and start playing for it and if so if Haley didn't adjust I will not count on it getting better maybe worse.[/QUOTE]
What teams caught on to was that our OL was decimated by injuries and Ben was playing hurt. That was the problem and it was obvious to anyone who wanted to see it.
[QUOTE=SteelCrazy;544748]In Haley's 2nd year with the Cardinals, he went to the Super Bowl. He also had the #1 passing offense. In his 2nd year with the Chiefs, he won his division. He also had the #1 rushing offense.
WELCOME TO SEASON #2 COACH HALEY!!!!![/QUOTE]
Steeler Nation is spoiled rotten. We have a "losing season" because of injuries, instead of chalking it up to exactly that we need a scape goat to aid in the coping process. If the team could have stayed healthy we'd still be playing meaningful football.
[QUOTE=Oviedo;544750]What teams caught on to was that our OL was decimated by injuries and Ben was playing hurt. That was the problem and it was obvious to anyone who wanted to see it.[/QUOTE]
I dont' understand how fans can't see this.. I've been watching football for 4 years and I seem to know more about it then some of the fans who give me the "I been watching for 30 years" speeches..
UNREAL...
I'm glad Haley is back and with a new off. line coach maybe some of their training and/or techniques change to help minimize the biggest rival we had this year = injuries. We could be one good RB away from a highly productive offense.
I like Todd Haley, so for those of you who claim you don't know anybody who does...here I am!
I second that. I also support Haley. Had Ben not been hurt against the Chiefs. Even with all the other injuries. I think we are playing this weekend in New England. Think we would have won division the way Baltimore coughed up late games. We will be much more dangerous next year and if we can stay healthy be very good. I am curious to see what happens with our RB situation. NOt sure Haley has the type of RB he needs. Closest thing is Mendenhall and would be surprised if he was brought back.
I'm glad he's back. Ben will be fine. Some people like to make something out of nothing, IMO.
Continuity, combined with an offensive line coach whose blocking schemes and philosophy mesh with Haley, will only help the offense...
[QUOTE=Slapstick;544779]Continuity, combined with an offensive line coach whose blocking schemes and philosophy mesh with Haley, will only help the offense...[/QUOTE]
I agree. Haley leaving and bring in another system would be the second worst possible thing that could happen to our offense right behind not improving the OL.
where is this information coming from?
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;544787]where is this information coming from?[/QUOTE]Depot, Dulac site.
[QUOTE=Mister Pittsburgh;544787]where is this information coming from?[/QUOTE]
If your asking about him staying, Dulac said, Haley met with the Cardinals and demanded so much that its unlikely he will join their staff. From what I'm hearing, Ray Horton is their second choice if they faill to get who they want.
Haley wants to stay here and I don't blame him. Going to the Cards is what I said in another thread.....waiting on death row for execution.
That team is competing with A great 49er team, Seattle and even the Rams will get better. The cards have a piss poor Ol and no QB. they have a decent defense but thats about it. They will be firing coaches for years until they get help on that O-line and a QB.
Stevie Wonder can see our OL sucks... it's not news people... if we can see it then the coaches damn sure see it and aren't doing enough to fix it. It's not a valid excuse.
I don't like Haley when you mix him in with the talent and QB we have...
Is he good? Probably..
Would it work if Ben bought in? Definitely...
Will Ben buy in? Doubt it..
I hate to sound like Wreck but I think we need to give Ben what he wants before his career is over. He made a ton of mistakes off the field and is an idiot half the time (lol) but the guy has 2 rings and 3 SB appearances... I think he should be able to tell Haley how he wants this offense to run. I hated 50 sack seasons but most of those ended with 10 to 12 wins and a playoff run.
Snail ball won't work with the WR's we have... you can go short if you have Boldin and Fitz like Haley had in AZ or run all day in KC if you have good RB's and a decent OL.
Can't do that here... we have these big bodies on the OL who can't move and our RB's our pedestrian behind them. Run run pass won't work...
i am having a hard time figuring out how haleys offense is so much worse than arians?
didnt haley's average more this year then arians last?
[QUOTE=feltdizz;544792]
Is he good? Probably..
Would it work if Ben bought in? Definitely...
Will Ben buy in? Doubt it..
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This is my biggest concern about Haley. Rather than embracing him and his system, I get a sense that Ben is resistant and is not going to buy-in. And if the QB doesn't embrace the system, that's going to be a problem.
I generally liked Haley's offense early in the season. I thought it was going to develop more as the season went on, but that didn't seem to be the case. Of course, injuries played a significant part in the stagnation. I fully expected to see the power run game used to set up play action and the deep passing game, but it did not quite work out.
Later in the year, I disliked more of the calls. The goofy reverses and whatnot in bad situations, the third in short runs where Dwyer and Redman lined up across the river, etc. But I won't discount the good based on the bad.
Hopefully the relationship between Haley and Ben evolves this offseason. These guys are stuck with each other and they need to be on the same page. AS true professionals that WANT to win, how can they not?