Round 1: Steelers select OT Broderick Jones

[hawaiiansteel]

Steelers got the OT we all wanted!

[Prowler]

Awesome pick. Well done management!

[Oviedo]

Great pick… got talent and need

STEAL OF THE DRAFT!

[WindyCitySteel]

Now get the best center in the draft. Rebuild the DL next year.

[Oviedo]

I don't think they go OL with two picks in a row

If he is on the board, it wouldn't surprise me to see Brian Branch or and Edge guy

Would love if Brian Bresee was there and we secure future of the DL and OL

[Steel Maniac]

Awesome pick. Well done management!

Outstanding. Great first move by Khan.

[Prowler]

Now get the best center in the draft. Rebuild the DL next year.

Exactly, 100% agree.

[Steel Maniac]

Now get the best center in the draft. Rebuild the DL next year.

Khan made a great , logical move at #14. I’m hoping he keeps on drafting logically.

[Oviedo]

Prediction: Picking Jones allows the Steelers to move on from Chuks' contract not necessarily from Dan Moore. I can see Moore moving to the right side as early as next year.

[NorthCoast]

Word is that the Jets were hard after Jones. Belichick was only too happy to screw them with a trade to the Steelers....bwaahaaahaaaa.

[NJ-STEELER]

Word is that the Jets were hard after Jones. Belichick was only too happy to screw them with a trade to the Steelers....bwaahaaahaaaa.


surprised they didt come back and draft gonzo to screw them back

[Buzz]

Good move by Steelers

O-line has seen a considerable upgrade following last season

Only had to spend a 4th to move up and get him -- nice

might push a cutsie brother out of reach

[hawaiiansteel]

2023 NFL Draft: Trade grades as Steelers move up with Patriots to take Broderick Jones at No. 14

Pittsburgh gets good value to beef up its front

Steelers: A

Nothing is more important in Pittsburgh than protecting Kenny Pickett as the QB looks to make a leap in 2023. And the Steelers secured one of the most physically talented blockers in the draft by moving up three spots for Jones. The tackle prospect may be raw, but his special athleticism could make him a long-time left tackle for Steel City. Better yet, the value of the pick swap checks out in their favor. According to R.J. White's draft-pick trade-value chart, the Steelers ended up with a 301.06-point pick in return for 278.70 points of compensation.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-draft-trade-grades-as-steelers-move-up-with-patriots-to-take-broderick-jones-at-no-14/

[whatever]

Whether the pick works out or not, the position was the correct way to go.

[whatever]

Great pick… got talent and need

STEAL OF THE DRAFT!

What happened to the front office being happy with what we had?
2 fas and a 1st round trade up later….

[Steel Maniac]

Whether the pick works out or not, the position was the correct way to go.

Exactly!!!!’

[hawaiiansteel]

Pittsburgh Steelers: Broderick Jones, OT/G, Georgia - B Grade

Mike Tomlin wanted to upgrade his secondary. The front office wanted to solidify the offensive line. The front office wins. Maybe. Broderick Jones has huge upside, but he has a much lower floor than the other three offensive linemen selected so far. This is a risky move, especially given the trade up, but I don't blame the Steelers for making the pick because Kenny Pickett needed better protection to take the next step.


https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades.php

[NJ-STEELER]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI3OFPXQ5XE

awww yeah

watch him eliminate that florida db out in space

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Steelers got the OT we all wanted!

Good move. He was the best player on the board for us. We had to offer 4th round pick to move up a few spots. So be it.

[Terrapin]

Great move and pick Omar! Hopefully this dude anchors the blind side for the next decade.

Porter's still on the board too! That would be an awesome first 2 picks

[Starlifter]

Always a big fan of o-line upgrades - and if we screwed the jets out of protecting Aaron Rodgers, so much the better. Smart move by Omar, good value for the trade and securing an expensive position on a rookie deal is always a plus. Finish the draft and if you still need help with DB’s, enjoy all that cap space in FA.

Excellent first day.

[whatever]

Once again, we drafted for need and not bpa.

["BuzzNuter"]

The Steelers are going smashmouth football. We have replaced or backed up our guards. I don't know if we have ever done anything like this before.
Jones was the BPA. I don't think we needed him. We've let Moore play 2 seasons and Okofor is signed for 2 seasons right.

[whatever]

The Steelers are going smashmouth football. We have replaced or backed up our guards. I don't know if we have ever done anything like this before.
Jones was the BPA. I don't think we needed him. We've let Moore play 2 seasons and Okofor is signed for 2 seasons right.

Nah, way more draft boards had better players ranked ahead of Jones.
We have needed oline for quite some time.

[feltdizz]

The Steelers are going smashmouth football. We have replaced or backed up our guards. I don't know if we have ever done anything like this before.
Jones was the BPA. I don't think we needed him. We've let Moore play 2 seasons and Okofor is signed for 2 seasons right.

Obviously now that Pickett is the QB we want to protect him.

[Northern_Blitz]

You never know how things turn out, but I like the move.

I didn't think we'd go OT and I didn't think we'd trade up.

But I like the pick.

Will be interested to see what happens today.

[Steel Maniac]

Once again, we drafted for need and not bpa.

But can you fault them? They have to protect the QB adequately.

[whatever]

But can you fault them? They have to protect the QB adequately.

That’s what I’ve been saying for years. Draft oline.
I was making a point that we draft for need, whereas some like to say we only draft bpa.

[Steel Maniac]

That’s what I’ve been saying for years. Draft oline.
I was making a point that we draft for need, whereas some like to say we only draft bpa.

Need for sure.......gotta protect our young QB. Had two concussions last year. We can't afford that to keep occurring. If they double dipped and did it again in the 3rd round, I'd have no problem with that either....although I doubt that happens. Today is pivotal; Khan is really going to make his foot print moves today in the second round and beyond.

If he's as savy as he's shown, he trades down a bit and picks up an additional 3rd round pick at least.

[hawaiiansteel]

The Steelers are going smashmouth football. We have replaced or backed up our guards. I don't know if we have ever done anything like this before.
Jones was the BPA. I don't think we needed him. We've let Moore play 2 seasons and Okofor is signed for 2 seasons right.

Okorafor is only signed for one more season.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Once again, we drafted for need and not bpa.
i'm not really sure why you're so stuck on that... it's almost always bpa at a short list of positions...

you woulda been mad if Ben goes to the SB and they next year they take Andy Dalton, so this whole thing has been a really weird flex.

but, ok...

[NJ-STEELER]

Okorafor is only signed for one more season.

thought it was 2 years.

but that last year is team friendly if they want to cut him

[whatever]

i'm not really sure why you're so stuck on that... it's almost always bpa at a short list of positions...

you woulda been mad if Ben goes to the SB and they next year they take Andy Dalton, so this whole thing has been a really weird flex.

but, ok...

Maybe you missed my previous posts regarding this. We have a group of individuals that have been saying the steeler draft bpa regardless of position. They act as if we draft different than any other team in the league.
I’m simply pointing out the FACT that we draft just like any other team while also making fun of them. If you aren’t one of those guys, disregard.

[Oviedo]

Maybe you missed my previous posts regarding this. We have a group of individuals that have been saying the steeler draft bpa regardless of position. They act as if we draft different than any other team in the league.
I’m simply pointing out the FACT that we draft just like any other team while also making fun of them. If you aren’t one of those guys, disregard.

that’s just a false statement. Show me who ever said this team blindly picks bpa?

it’s a balanced approach and always has been

[feltdizz]

i'm not really sure why you're so stuck on that... it's almost always bpa at a short list of positions...

you woulda been mad if Ben goes to the SB and they next year they take Andy Dalton, so this whole thing has been a really weird flex.

but, ok...

you have to be on the short bus to believe when people say BPA they mean BPA at ANY position.

Also funny that some folks think Will Levis is BPA at 32. ESPN needs to let that go.. it’s embarrassing, I felt bad for him.

[whatever]

Need for sure.......gotta protect our young QB. Had two concussions last year. We can't afford that to keep occurring. If they double dipped and did it again in the 3rd round, I'd have no problem with that either....although I doubt that happens. Today is pivotal; Khan is really going to make his foot print moves today in the second round and beyond.

If he's as savy as he's shown, he trades down a bit and picks up an additional 3rd round pick at least.


Yea, not so sure about that.
He made a small move that may or may not have been his idea.
If he goes a stud TE and an other OL the next two picks, I might buy into a smash mouth footprint. If he simply drafts a cb, dt, ILB or edge, the rest of the way, then his draft looks like it’s just filling our basic needs.

[whatever]

that’s just a false statement. Show me who ever said this team blindly picks bpa?

it’s a balanced approach and always has been

Struck a nerve, eh?

[feltdizz]

Maybe you missed my previous posts regarding this. We have a group of individuals that have been saying the steeler draft bpa regardless of position. They act as if we draft different than any other team in the league.
I’m simply pointing out the FACT that we draft just like any other team while also making fun of them. If you aren’t one of those guys, disregard.

name names or stop lying.

you just made up a phantom group just like you lied about all the people who loved the DJ pick when it was made.

You’ve been on this fake crusade for years.. so weird.

[feltdizz]

Struck a nerve, eh?

pretty sure he asked you for evidence..

“struck a nerve” = “I don’t have any proof” ;)

[whatever]

pretty sure he asked you for evidence..

“struck a nerve” = “I don’t have any proof” ;)


Why do you ask for proof but never supply it?

[whatever]

name names or stop lying.

you just made up a phantom group just like you lied about all the people who loved the DJ pick when it was made.

You’ve been on this fake crusade for years.. so weird.


Help me out. When you sing to me, ‘always on my mind’ are you using willies, Elvis’ or the pet shop boys voice?

[NJ-STEELER]

Eh. He’s not wrong.

I don’t remember the posters and they very well might not be posting anymore. But there were people who said that we always draft BPA

[Northern_Blitz]

Once again, we drafted for need and not bpa.

What positions would you not make this claim about?

Of course need is important. Just like BPA is also important.

But to me when people say "draft for need over BPA" it's the Burns pick (and what I was afraid the QB pick would be last time).

"We came here hell bent on drafting a <insert position here>, and G-d it we're going to draft a <position>. No matter what!"

I think a guy we liked fell to a place we were comfortable moving up for him.

Who knows if it will work. But it doesn't seem unreasonable.

[Northern_Blitz]

Eh. He’s not wrong.

I don’t remember the posters and they very well might not be posting anymore. But there were people who said that we always draft BPA

I don't think people say that (although there are always outliers).

I think they say something like: "We try to go into drafts without hair on fire level needs so we aren't forced to draft for need only."

[whatever]

I don't think people say that (although there are always outliers).

I think they say something like: "We try to go into drafts without hair on fire level needs so we aren't forced to draft for need only."

Nah, I wouldn’t t have a problem with that.
Common sense says the Steelers (and every other team) identify their needs and draft bpa at those positions.
Same goes for ‘steeler types’.
Ask any fan of any team if they prefer hard nosed, tough quality individuals or soft, lazy and character issue guys and see what they say.
The nfc north fans still talk about the physical ‘black and blue’ division.
When was the last time anyone considered that division as tough?

[whatever]

What positions would you not make this claim about?

Of course need is important. Just like BPA is also important.

But to me when people say "draft for need over BPA" it's the Burns pick (and what I was afraid the QB pick would be last time).

"We came here hell bent on drafting a <insert position here>, and G-d it we're going to draft a <position>. No matter what!"

I think a guy we liked fell to a place we were comfortable moving up for him.

Who knows if it will work. But it doesn't seem unreasonable.

Totally agree.
Having a need only or bpa only mindset to the draft is ridiculous.

[feltdizz]

Help me out. When you sing to me, ‘always on my mind’ are you using willies, Elvis’ or the pet shop boys voice?

name names or stop lying..

[BURGH86STEEL]

I think there were times the Steelers drafted the best player available. There were times the Steelers drafted the best player available at a position of need.

There were times the Steelers probably reached for players regardless of position.

The later rounds are probably where the Steelers are more likely to draft the best available player. Later round players seem to need more time to develop and can contribute on special teams.

I don't think anyone used the word "always" draft the best player available.

[feltdizz]

I don't think people say that (although there are always outliers).

I think they say something like: "We try to go into drafts without hair on fire level needs so we aren't forced to draft for need only."

only basic folks hear BPA and think need isn’t also considered. You don’t see us with 12 QB’s on our roster for a reason.

[whatever]

name names or stop lying..

I’m guessing your a Willie guy.

[whatever]

only basic folks hear BPA and think need isn’t also considered. You don’t see us with 12 QB’s on our roster for a reason.

Only basic folks say it.

[Gus]

Help me out. When you sing to me, ‘always on my mind’ are you using willies, Elvis’ or the pet shop boys voice?

Willie for sure. Im on my way to the Hollywood Bowl to see his 90th birthday 2 day event as we speak!

what in the world is that 3rd option? Haha

Great first round move up!
let’s make this next pick count! Work those phones and still come out with DB talent!

[NorthCoast]

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[feltdizz]

I’m guessing your a Willie guy.

Yup

https://t2.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnJdyN5GcZ1a7g9C93lwgP-SkxnOS4sgFdBMjcaWh5b8c4xBdnjkbZSi9WhDWRvefnJ1vnMDW 7b9qFDvo

[Steel Maniac]

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Love this guy.

[hawaiiansteel]

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[tiproast]

Word is that the Jets were hard after Jones. Belichick was only too happy to screw them with a trade to the Steelers....bwaahaaahaaaa.

I find your analysis to be in accord with my own feelings about the deal.

Screwing the Jets is always one of the Patriots draft priorities. :D

[crushedspirit]

https://youtu.be/-SoipsU3ddM

[BURGH86STEEL]

I find your analysis to be in accord with my own feelings about the deal.

Screwing the Jets is always one of the Patriots draft priorities. :D

NE probably has the worst team in that division. BB will probably be fired after this season.

[hawaiiansteel]

Broderick Jones survived rough start to college career to mold himself into Steelers' top pick

Friday, April 28, 2023


https://triblive.com/sports/broderick-jones-survived-rough-start-to-college-career-to-mold-himself-into-steelers-top-pick/

[Oviedo]

Love this guy.


Ditto......

Will be a great Pro for us

[hawaiiansteel]

Ex-NFL GM Rick Spielman Impressed With Omar Khan’s First Draft, Calls Trading Up For Broderick Jones ‘A Brilliant Move’ -


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/05/ex-nfl-gm-rick-spielman-impressed-with-omar-khans-first-draft-calls-trading-up-for-broderick-jones-a-brilliant-move/

[NJ-STEELER]

Not sure if it was this thread or another one.
but there was a question of maybe the pats initiating the first round trade

from this video. It def looks like we were the ones who were looking for a trade


https://youtu.be/r2h1X2QGU3s

[NorthCoast]

Not sure if it was this thread or another one.
but there was a question of maybe the pats initiating the first round trade

from this video. It def looks like we were the ones who were looking for a trade

I'm sure it didn't take much convincing by Kahn for BB to make the move. He knew he would be screwing his division opponent out of a good LT.

[NJ-STEELER]

I agree ……..

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Not sure if it was this thread or another one.
but there was a question of maybe the pats initiating the first round trade

from this video. It def looks like we were the ones who were looking for a trade


https://youtu.be/r2h1X2QGU3s

I don't know if the Steelers made the initial call but they are the ones who made the final offer, and got it.

[NorthCoast]

According to NFL executives who spoke with The Washington Post under the condition of anonymity, the Jets were targeting Georgia offensive tackle Broderick Jones with the 15th overall pick and the Patriots, who picked at No. 14 right ahead of them, knew that. So New England general manager and head coach Bill Belichick executed a trade with the Steelers to help them leapfrog the Jets and take Jones for themselves. Belichick asked for just a fourth-round pick to exchange picks with Pittsburgh and some around the league believe he took a lesser return for the team's original pick just so someone would take Jones before the Jets did.

“They should have had to give up a [third-round pick] and not a four to move up there,” one NFL general manager said. “Belichick did it just to f–k the Jets. He sold low because he knew the Steelers were going to take the kid the Jets wanted to take.”

The Patriots have been the hammer to the Jets' nail since Belichick took over as head coach in 2000 and his dislike for the AFC East rival is well-known around the league. Belichick likely knew Jones was the last of this draft class' elite tackle prospects left after Paris Johnson, Peter Skoronski and Darnell Wright had all been taken within the first 11 picks and saw an opportunity to sneak one over New York.

“Bill will try to screw them over any chance he gets,” another NFL personnel executive said. “He knew exactly what he was doing.”______________

[Steel Maniac]

I love that typ of gamesmanship Bellichek showed in the draft for the Jets. That's legal and that's what division rivals are suppose to do if given the chance.

[Captain Lemming]

Help me out. When you sing to me, ?always on my mind? are you using willies, Elvis? or the pet shop boys voice?

Nice sidestep.
How bout you teach it to Najee (he might make defenders miss more). :)

Dizz asked for NAMES which you have failed to provide.
Unless of course Elvis or Willie are on this forum under different names, but I doubt that. :)

[Captain Lemming]

Not sure if it was this thread or another one.
but there was a question of maybe the pats initiating the first round trade

from this video. It def looks like we were the ones who were looking for a trade


https://youtu.be/r2h1X2QGU3s

I was the one who suggested the possibility (don’t know) that the Patriots might have started the talks.

Nothing in this video indicates otherwise.

I DO know that call did not start the discussion.
This is evidenced by:
1. The guy telling BB we were offering a 4th assumed BB knew it was us.
2. BB confirmed by saying, “the Steelers” rather than asking “what team?”

Whoever started the talks, it was already being negotiated and I bet the Pats had already asked for more.

Our call definitely had the feeling of final offer. It was not the start of discussions.

[hawaiiansteel]

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

If Broderick Jones is the Steelers' starting LT to begin the season, his first two matchups will be:

Week One - Nick Bosa (plays LDE and RDE)
Week Two - Myles Garrett

Welcome to the NFL, rook.


https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp %7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[hawaiiansteel]

As he learns Steelers system on 'daily basis,' Broderick Jones gaining 1st-team experience

Friday, June 2, 2023


https://triblive.com/sports/as-he-learns-steelers-system-on-daily-basis-broderick-jones-gaining-1st-team-experience/

[Steel Maniac]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/03/broderick-jones-is-getting-first-team-reps-at-left-tackle/

[feltdizz]

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

If Broderick Jones is the Steelers' starting LT to begin the season, his first two matchups will be:

Week One - Nick Bosa (plays LDE and RDE)
Week Two - Myles Garrett

Welcome to the NFL, rook.


https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp %7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

and Washington should be on his side chipping these dudes into the dirt. :p

[Captain Lemming]

and Washington should be on his side chipping these dudes into the dirt. :p

And don’t dismiss their familiarity doing that

[whisper]

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

If Broderick Jones is the Steelers' starting LT to begin the season, his first two matchups will be:

Week One - Nick Bosa (plays LDE and RDE)
Week Two - Myles Garrett

Welcome to the NFL, rook.


https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp %7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I can't say the link makes much sense.

[whisper]

and Washington should be on his side chipping these dudes into the dirt. :p

Being what many of you are calling the best draft pick ever in Pgh, I should hope so.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Being what many of you are calling the best draft pick ever in Pgh, I should hope so.
Delusions on your part.

[feltdizz]

Being what many of you are calling the best draft pick ever in Pgh, I should hope so.


https://youtu.be/IJtHdkyo0hc

[NorthCoast]

Some rather tepid takes from former Steelers' OL on the Broderick pick.

T. Essex: " was hoping for another direction...coming around to the pick..."

D. Gray; "what scares me is his pass game set....."


https://www.steelernation.com/2023/04/28/steelers-draft-jones-reaction-vids

[feltdizz]

Some rather tepid takes from former Steelers' OL on the Broderick pick.

T. Essex: " was hoping for another direction...coming around to the pick..."

D. Gray; "what scares me is his pass game set....."


https://www.steelernation.com/2023/04/28/steelers-draft-jones-reaction-vids

Dee Gray? I didn’t remember him so I had to search. Played 1 year in 2020 and has hinted at trying to return to the NFL.

No shade but I don’t think a player with 1 year of NFL experience should be podcasting about expectations when they still have desires to play the game. It comes off like hating on a rookie doing what you can no longer do.


and damn, who doesn’t have a podcast these days? lol

[SteelerOfDeVille]

And don?t dismiss their familiarity doing that
^^^ this ^^^^

[Steel Maniac]

Some rather tepid takes from former Steelers' OL on the Broderick pick.

T. Essex: " was hoping for another direction...coming around to the pick..."

D. Gray; "what scares me is his pass game set....."


https://www.steelernation.com/2023/04/28/steelers-draft-jones-reaction-vids

That's what actual camp is for. Sharpen up the weak areas of his game. Let's coach him up!!

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Dee Gray? I didn’t remember him so I had to search. Played 1 year in 2020 and has hinted at trying to return to the NFL.

No shade but I don’t think a player with 1 year of NFL experience should be podcasting about expectations when they still have desires to play the game. It comes off like hating on a rookie doing what you can no longer do.


and damn, who doesn’t have a podcast these days? lol

I remember Derwin Gray. A seventh rounder in 2019 - part of Colbert's way of addressing the OL that eventually fell apart.

He has concerns about Jones' pass sets. No kidding. That was already the knock on him. He has limited experience at the position. Here is a very common scouting report on him from the Draft Network:


Top Reasons to Buy In:




Incredible athleticism at the position
“Finisher” mentality
Potential/upside

Top Reasons For Concern:


Limited experience (19 starts)
Inconsistent technique/mechanics

[Captain Lemming]

I remember Derwin Gray. A seventh rounder in 2019 - part of Colbert's way of addressing the OL that eventually fell apart.

He has concerns about Jones' pass sets. No kidding. That was already the knock on him. He has limited experience at the position. Here is a very common scouting report on him from the Draft Network:

My favorite part of the evaluation is this flaw.

He did not give up a sack against the best pass rushers in college and HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING.

I really like what our line coach did with the fellas last season.

[whisper]

I really like what our line coach did with the fellas last season.

Except for Moore.

[NorthCoast]

Except for Moore.

According to reports Moore is a beast this year.

[BURGH86STEEL]

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/06/broderick-jones-thanks-big-brother-dan-moore-jr-for-him-staying-after-practice-to-help-him/

I'm pulling for DM.

[hawaiiansteel]

14. Broderick Jones, OT, Pittsburgh Steelers (via NE)

How he has fared so far: Evaluating a rookie offensive lineman while he's still in shorts is a fool's errand, but we'll give it a shot. Though Jones isn't getting first-team reps, he's earning solid reviews from his coaches and teammates. Offensive line coach Pat Meyer spoke highly of Jones during minicamp, while also acknowledging a steep learning curve for rookie linemen.

"He's talented, he's young, he's athletic, he's got all the tools," Meyer said. "The thing is he wants to be great, so he stays with that, and he wants to be great, and he has that attitude to do that. And when the time's ready for him, he's going to be in there." -- Brooke Pryor


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37853862/2023-nfl-rookie-updates-notes-impressions-31-first-round-draft-picks

[whisper]

Dee Gray? I didn’t remember him so I had to search. Played 1 year in 2020 and has hinted at trying to return to the NFL.

No shade but I don’t think a player with 1 year of NFL experience should be podcasting about expectations when they still have desires to play the game. It comes off like hating on a rookie doing what you can no longer do.


and damn, who doesn’t have a podcast these days? lol

"Can no longer do? Don't you mean "Could never do?' This guy was beyond a ham and egger.

[pfelix73]

My favorite part of the evaluation is this flaw.

He did not give up a sack against the best pass rushers in college and HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING.

I really like what our line coach did with the fellas last season.

If you go back and look. Dan Moore and the entire Texas AM OL hardly gave up a sack in his last year in college. So, meh.

[BURGH86STEEL]

My favorite part of the evaluation is this flaw.

He did not give up a sack against the best pass rushers in college and HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING.

I really like what our line coach did with the fellas last season.
I don't know where Moore will eventually fall with the Steelers or as a pro. Moore appears to be the type of player that is a pro's pro. He appears to be the type of team player that a team wants to have on the team.

[Oviedo]

I don't know where Moore will eventually fall with the Steelers or as a pro. Moore appears to be the type of player that is a pro's pro. He appears to be the type of team player that a team wants to have on the team.

I agree. I think Moore is on the team longer than Chuks. Team sees more from their everyday interaction with Moore than know nothing fans.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I don't know where Moore will eventually fall with the Steelers or as a pro. Moore appears to be the type of player that is a pro's pro. He appears to be the type of team player that a team wants to have on the team.

I have not been a fan of Moore on the field since he arrived, but admit that he has shown to be a good teammate, never hear anything negative from or about him, and the types of things you do hear are that he has come into camp in great shape. I'm not against keeping him, it isn't personal. I'm against the level of play we have watched at LT the last couple of years.

[hawaiiansteel]

Steelers getting stuff done today. In addition to NT Keeanu Benton, they have also signed OT Broderick Jones to his rookie deal.

CB Joey Porter Jr. is the only rookie left to sign.


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/06/steelers-sign-1st-round-pick-ot-broderick-jones-to-four-year-deal/

[BURGH86STEEL]

I have not been a fan of Moore on the field since he arrived, but admit that he has shown to be a good teammate, never hear anything negative from or about him, and the types of things you do hear are that he has come into camp in great shape. I'm not against keeping him, it isn't personal. I'm against the level of play we have watched at LT the last couple of years.

Moore had his up and down moments pass blocking in his 1st two seasons. This is what teams will mostly get from 1st and 2nd year players. Moore improved from his 1st season to his 2nd season. Competition was brought in. People that believe Jones should be handed the job because he was a 1st round pick are mistaken. We'll see how it plays out.

[hawaiiansteel]

Insider Believes Steelers Want Dan Moore to Start Over Broderick Jones

The Pittsburgh Steelers aren't benching Dan Moore Jr.

6/24/23

PITTSBURGH -- The Pittsburgh Steelers have a competition at left tackle, and once training camp opens, things will get serious between Dan Moore Jr. and Broderick Jones. But right now, one inside believes the team is holding high on the veteran over the rookies.

The Athletic's Mark Kaboly recently said on 93.7 The Fan that he believes the Steelers are hoping Moore is good enough to start another season in 2023.

"It?s going to be difficult," Kaboly said. "Unless Broderick Jones comes out and whips butt in training camp, which he could do. I don?t think they want him to do that right now."

Kaboly said the chances of Moore starting over Jones this season is about 75%, with the rookie still developing in his first NFL summer.

"I think you are probably looking at a 75 percent chance Dan Moore is your starting tackle early in the season," Kaboly said. "During OTA?s and minicamp, I saw that [Broderick Jones] struggled at times with some speed rushers."

Jones was the team's first-round pick after the moved up from 17 to 14 in a swap with the New England Patriots. He confirmed he took first-team reps during minicamp, but Moore remains the starter until proven otherwise.

And to Kaboly, there's a strong chance that doesn't change before the season.

"If they had their choice just like last year with Pickett, right or wrong, they would rather he sit for a while and learn," Kaboly said. "Maybe he does sit half a year. I anticipate him playing at some point this year, I just don?t think it?s going to be the first month of the season."


https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-want-dan-moore-start-broderick-jones

[WindyCitySteel]

JFC, if they're afraid to start Jones, sign a vet on a 1-year deal and cut Moore -- he stinks. It's like turning an ocean liner with this franchise, after the D fell apart in the early 2010's it took 7 years to rebuild it.

This isn't patience, this is laziness.

[pfelix73]

JFC, if they're afraid to start Jones, sign a vet on a 1-year deal and cut Moore -- he stinks. It's like turning an ocean liner with this franchise, after the D fell apart in the early 2010's it took 7 years to rebuild it.

This isn't patience, this is laziness.

LOL. he doesn't stink. Go back and watch the games again- like the last batch since the bye. He's vastly improved. You are just in denial.

You are just showing your ignorance in OL play and frankly, the sport. OL is the most cohesive unit on the team. The guy has 2 years in. whereas Jones- ZERO. You say sign another? ZERO still. Give me a break.

[WindyCitySteel]

LOL. he doesn't stink. Go back and watch the games again- like the last batch since the bye. He's vastly improved. You are just in denial.

You are just showing your ignorance in OL play and frankly, the sport. OL is the most cohesive unit on the team. The guy has 2 years in. whereas Jones- ZERO. You say sign another? ZERO still. Give me a break.

If they want to win now on Kenny's rookie deal, OT is the weak link on the OL. They traded up for their tackle, and now they'll slow walk him?

Hopefully this is simply a motivational ploy for Jones, otherwise looks like further evidence they just mail in the offense on this team.

People are worried about Jones facing Bosa/Garrett/Crosby, well I'm terrified of the same with Moore.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB9Fm22tUos

[BURGH86STEEL]

If they want to win now on Kenny's rookie deal, OT is the weak link on the OL. They traded up for their tackle, and now they'll slow walk him?

Hopefully this is simply a motivational ploy for Jones, otherwise looks like further evidence they just mail in the offense on this team.

People are worried about Jones facing Bosa/Garrett/Crosby, well I'm terrified of the same with Moore.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB9Fm22tUos
You really believe the organization mails in the offense if Jones doesn't start? That's a new one.

What if Jones has a difficult time blocking Highsmith, Watt, Golden, Roache, ect, in camp drills? Moore holds his own? What if Jones fails in the film room? What if Moore knows his responsibilities in pass protection and has all the answers as a 3rd year pro? What if Moore is clearly the more complete player after pre season games?

Who do you start coach?

[NorthCoast]

Moore had his up and down moments pass blocking in his 1st two seasons. This is what teams will mostly get from 1st and 2nd year players. Moore improved from his 1st season to his 2nd season. Competition was brought in. People that believe Jones should be handed the job because he was a 1st round pick are mistaken. We'll see how it plays out.

I agree Moore has gotten better each season. My concern is that the amount of 'better ' is very marginal. At his current rate he might end up average by his 5th or 6th season.
On the other hand, those believing Jones is ready to start in WK1 need to remember just how little he's played at the college level. The first few weeks the Steelers face some top level pro pass rushers. KP can be put in real danger because of that inexperience.
I guarantee if KP got injured there will be posters ripping Tomlin a new one for playing Jones before he was ready.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I agree Moore has gotten better each season. My concern is that the amount of 'better ' is very marginal. At his current rate he might end up average by his 5th or 6th season.
On the other hand, those believing Jones is ready to start in WK1 need to remember just how little he's played at the college level. The first few weeks the Steelers face some top level pro pass rushers. KP can be put in real danger because of that inexperience.
I guarantee if KP got injured there will be posters ripping Tomlin a new one for playing Jones before he was ready.Average is good enough to have a long NFL career. I think that an Average NFL caliber player is rare. I will take an average player for 10 years over the alternative as a coach. Orlando Brown is an average NFL player. The Bengals signed him even though Hendrickson handled Brown.

Jones vs Moore. Let it play out. I have no doubt that Moore is going to fight. This will only make the Steelers a better Oline and team.

Haven't you paid attention? There are posters that rip Tomlin for every decision the organization made.

[WindyCitySteel]

You really believe the organization mails in the offense if Jones doesn't start? That's a new one.

What if Jones has a difficult time blocking Highsmith, Watt, Golden, Roache, ect, in camp drills? Moore holds his own? What if Jones fails in the film room? What if Moore knows his responsibilities in pass protection and has all the answers as a 3rd year pro? What if Moore is clearly the more complete player after pre season games?

Who do you start coach?

If Jones isn't ready, fine, but get an older vet to hold the position down until he's ready. Do they want to win or not?

Moore is not good. You always said it's about the players, well, Moore isn't a good player, and the organization is choosing to stick with him.

It's on them, ace.

[WindyCitySteel]

Average is good enough to have a long NFL career. I think that an Average NFL caliber player is rare. I will take an average player for 10 years over the alternative as a coach. Orlando Brown is an average NFL player. The Bengals signed him even though Hendrickson handled Brown.


Brown is so much better than Moore, you're reaching to defend the organization at all costs. If Brown had signed with the Steelers you'd call it a huge upgrade, which it would be, but you'd de facto say it because the Steelers did it.

You're a homer, you cheer every move the team makes as a good one. You're not in the least bit objective, which is why it's hard to take you seriously.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Brown is so much better than Moore, you're reaching to defend the organization at all costs. If Brown had signed with the Steelers you'd call it a huge upgrade, which it would be, but you'd de facto say it because the Steelers did it.

You're a homer, you cheer every move the team makes as a good one. You're not in the least bit objective, which is why it's hard to take you seriously.Windy being Windy. windy meanig your are talking BS to a born and raised PGH fan. Carry on............

[WindyCitySteel]

Windy being Windy. windy meanig your are talking BS to a born and raised PGH fan. Carry on............

Surrender accepted.

[Captain Lemming]

Windy being Windy. windy meanig your are talking BS to a born and raised PGH fan. Carry on............

While I agree with your premise that starting an improved Moore is not the disaster Windy implies that said-

I don’t think being a born and raised lifer makes the strongest case for not being a homer.

I suspect Windy is absolutely correct that you know better than to think Moore is equal to Brown.

Nevertheless, I too do not fear Moore starting until Jones is ready to take over.

[Oviedo]

You really believe the organization mails in the offense if Jones doesn't start? That's a new one.

What if Jones has a difficult time blocking Highsmith, Watt, Golden, Roache, ect, in camp drills? Moore holds his own? What if Jones fails in the film room? What if Moore knows his responsibilities in pass protection and has all the answers as a 3rd year pro? What if Moore is clearly the more complete player after pre season games?

Who do you start coach?
The sociopathic negativity knows no end.

It?s really sad supposed fans can?t find reasons to enjoy being fans. They spend more time laying the groundwork for future complaints than they do anything else

[feltdizz]

The sociopathic negativity knows no end.

It?s really sad supposed fans can?t find reasons to enjoy being fans. They spend more time laying the groundwork for future complaints than they do anything else

what is truly weird is bashing fans for liking the team like its some type of crime.

“yinzers gonna yinzer”

Well of course that is true. Its true for every fanbase. Most of the people from a team’s city will like the team. Congrats on doing your homework.

but its also why I’m engaging less and less with those types on here. they are what they are.. shrugs

[SteelerOfDeVille]

what is truly weird is bashing fans for liking the team like its some type of crime.

?yinzers gonna yinzer?

Well of course that is true. Its true for every fanbase. Most of the people from a team?s city will like the team. Congrats on doing your homework.

but its also why I?m engaging less and less with those types on here. they are what they are.. shrugs
VERY good point. Isn't that what makes you a "fan" - which is derived from fanatic?

To be honest, I think that even some of the more negative posters around here would 100% back the team (or even Tomlin) when talking to a fan of another team.

IF a Bengals fan would tell whisper or maniac that their coach is superior, I would imagine our guy would respond with "Tomlin has a ring and been to another... come talk to me when he's been to the dance twice and won one."

But, amongst us... among "family", they'll express criticisms freely and honestly.

And they're not necessarily wrong.

The fact is, it HAS been 6 years since they won a playoff game.
The offense HAS performed poorly.
Frankly while they may improve, it doesn't look as though they've done enough to compete with Chiefs/Bengals/Bills type of offenses. Even the most optimistic fans acknowledge that.

These guys want the team to win and when they feel like they haven't done enough, frustration comes out.

And I see their point - if you gave this defense an offense like the Chiefs/Bengals/Bills - you could just mail the Lombardi trophy and save all the drama.

[NorthCoast]

It's ok to have a counter-opinion, especially when it is backed by facts.

But I take many of the posts with a grain of NaCl....

[feltdizz]

VERY good point. Isn't that what makes you a "fan" - which is derived from fanatic?

To be honest, I think that even some of the more negative posters around here would 100% back the team (or even Tomlin) when talking to a fan of another team.

IF a Bengals fan would tell whisper or maniac that their coach is superior, I would imagine our guy would respond with "Tomlin has a ring and been to another... come talk to me when he's been to the dance twice and won one."

But, amongst us... among "family", they'll express criticisms freely and honestly.

And they're not necessarily wrong.

The fact is, it HAS been 6 years since they won a playoff game.
The offense HAS performed poorly.
Frankly while they may improve, it doesn't look as though they've done enough to compete with Chiefs/Bengals/Bills type of offenses. Even the most optimistic fans acknowledge that.

These guys want the team to win and when they feel like they haven't done enough, frustration comes out.

And I see their point - if you gave this defense an offense like the Chiefs/Bengals/Bills - you could just mail the Lombardi trophy and save all the drama.

I understand frustration, I also understand reality. We just went from an 18 year vet and a totally new OL to Kenny and a new youth movement.

Constantly complaining about what we won’t do in 2023 before the season starts is a no go for me.

I can’t admit defeat before a season starts.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I understand frustration, I also understand reality. We just went from an 18 year vet and a totally new OL to Kenny and a new youth movement.

Constantly complaining about what we won?t do in 2023 before the season starts is a no go for me.

I can?t admit defeat before a season starts.
re: the complaining -- I'm not saying I woulda done it... but, I understand. :p

When it gets down to it, we all want chips. Did they do enough to win a chip this year? If you took a poll, you'd get an overwhelming "no" (except for maybe flippy) :)

Both sides tend to paint the other as extremes: "you hate every move" vs "you love every move". But when it really gets down to it, what we're debating is, "I don't expect a chip this season, but did they do enough to get us to the goal faster?" We all want that.

Dude I spent the better part of a decade debating with a coworker whether Tim Couch should have been a starter in the NFL. I called him a "high end backup" while a co-worker called him a "low end starter". Neither of us listed out QBs.

Sports fans gonna sports fan...

[Oviedo]

I understand frustration, I also understand reality. We just went from an 18 year vet and a totally new OL to Kenny and a new youth movement.

Constantly complaining about what we won?t do in 2023 before the season starts is a no go for me.

I can?t admit defeat before a season starts.

Exactly! If you are going to quit before the season...don't watch and don't come on this board

[Oviedo]

I agree Moore has gotten better each season. My concern is that the amount of 'better ' is very marginal. At his current rate he might end up average by his 5th or 6th season.
On the other hand, those believing Jones is ready to start in WK1 need to remember just how little he's played at the college level. The first few weeks the Steelers face some top level pro pass rushers. KP can be put in real danger because of that inexperience.
I guarantee if KP got injured there will be posters ripping Tomlin a new one for playing Jones before he was ready.


He's ahead of where Villanueva was at same point in his career

[NorthCoast]

He's ahead of where Villanueva was at same point in his careerNot sure what exactly you are basing that on but Villy didn't start playing LT in school until his junior year. Oh, and here's the kicker. He was a pro bowler in Yr 3 with the Steelers. If Moore makes the PB this year I will shut up about him.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Not sure what exactly you are basing that on but Villy didn't start playing LT in school until his junior year. Oh, and here's the kicker. He was a pro bowler in Yr 3 with the Steelers. If Moore makes the PB this year I will shut up about him.
it was a sneaky factual statement... I think AV was still in the military at this age...

[NorthCoast]

it was a sneaky factual statement... I think AV was still in the military at this age...hmmm.... maybe so. But he said 'this point in his career' which I took to mean seasons played.

[WindyCitySteel]

The sociopathic negativity knows no end.

It?s really sad supposed fans can?t find reasons to enjoy being fans. They spend more time laying the groundwork for future complaints than they do anything else

If not wanting Dan Moore protecting Kenny's blind side for another season is sociopathic, let me know what meds to take.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

hmmm.... maybe so. But he said 'this point in his career' which I took to mean seasons played.
Ovi.... 'splain :lol:

[Rocky Mtn]

I understand frustration, I also understand reality. We just went from an 18 year vet and a totally new OL to Kenny and a new youth movement.

Constantly complaining about what we won?t do in 2023 before the season starts is a no go for me.

I can?t admit defeat before a season starts.The coming season for me will be one of the most exciting in a long time because of a bit of off season difference and the great unknown. Hopefully the excitement continues for the 17 and maybe additional duration. They're due!

[hawaiiansteel]

Most Likely To Bust

Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia - Round 1

The Steelers were desperate for a left tackle to protect Kenny Pickett, and they did not take any chances, moving up in the first round to select Jones. Jones has a lot of upside, but he has limited experience and will need development. It would not surprise me if Jones is forced onto the field too early and struggles to adapt to the NFL.

During the months leading up to the draft, I spoke with sources at multiple teams, and none of them had a first-round grade on Jones based on his 2022 tape. They all shared they felt Jones was very talented with an excellent skill set, but was very raw and needed development for the NFL. That isn't surprising considering Jones was only 20 years old in 2022. The 6-foot-4, 315-pounder has excellent speed and athleticism with a natural build. However, his technique needs work because defenders get on his edges, and that will be a problem against pro pass rushers.

Jones could be thrown into the fire immediately, and that has been detrimental for other underdeveloped players in previous years. With his excellent skill set, Jones is a candidate to be a boom pick as well, so he definitely could be a boom-or-bust pick for Pittsburgh.


https://walterfootball.com/rookieforecast2023steelers.php

[Oviedo]

Most Likely To Bust

Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia - Round 1

The Steelers were desperate for a left tackle to protect Kenny Pickett, and they did not take any chances, moving up in the first round to select Jones. Jones has a lot of upside, but he has limited experience and will need development. It would not surprise me if Jones is forced onto the field too early and struggles to adapt to the NFL.

During the months leading up to the draft, I spoke with sources at multiple teams, and none of them had a first-round grade on Jones based on his 2022 tape. They all shared they felt Jones was very talented with an excellent skill set, but was very raw and needed development for the NFL. That isn't surprising considering Jones was only 20 years old in 2022. The 6-foot-4, 315-pounder has excellent speed and athleticism with a natural build. However, his technique needs work because defenders get on his edges, and that will be a problem against pro pass rushers.

Jones could be thrown into the fire immediately, and that has been detrimental for other underdeveloped players in previous years. With his excellent skill set, Jones is a candidate to be a boom pick as well, so he definitely could be a boom-or-bust pick for Pittsburgh.


https://walterfootball.com/rookieforecast2023steelers.php
Exact reason Moore should start the season given the pass rushers we will face

Moore likely gives us best chance to win. Especially with “deadweight” Dotson gone next to him

[WindyCitySteel]

Paging crushedspirit -- what were Dan Moore's game grades against Garrett twice for the Browns last year, and also in the Eagles game? Garrett had 3 QB hits in 2 games vs. the Steelers, the Eagles had a whopping 11.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Exact reason Moore should start the season given the pass rushers we will face

Moore likely gives us best chance to win. Especially with “deadweight” Dotson gone next to him

I would approach this the same way I thought they should have prepared for Pickett last season. You go with Jones when he is ready. You have a capable (hopefully, not a Moore fan tbh) starter to hold the fort down until he is ready. He was drafted with it being known that he is raw with a ton of upside, and nowhere near the finished product. Focused coaching should begin day one as he needs to both gain experience and learn the same new blocking techniques that all Steeler linemen had to learn (and took awhile to learn) last year. My guess is that the landmark is week 7 - week after the bye, but it could be the start of the season if the team wants to have Moore and Chuks compete at RT.

[Oviedo]

I would approach this the same way I thought they should have prepared for Pickett last season. You go with Jones when he is ready. You have a capable (hopefully, not a Moore fan tbh) starter to hold the fort down until he is ready. He was drafted with it being known that he is raw with a ton of upside, and nowhere near the finished product. Focused coaching should begin day one as he needs to both gain experience and learn the same new blocking techniques that all Steeler linemen had to learn (and took awhile to learn) last year. My guess is that the landmark is week 7 - week after the bye, but it could be the start of the season if the team wants to have Moore and Chuks compete at RT.


If BJ starts week #1, I expect to see a whole bunch of TE on his side

[WindyCitySteel]

If BJ starts week #1, I expect to see a whole bunch of TE on his side

If the goal is to run the ball, I'd love to see that with the rookie. I don't think Jones will be nearly as exposed as everyone is fearing if the D plays well enough to keep the O in the game, it's not like Kenny will be dropping back 40-50 times.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

If BJ starts week #1, I expect to see a whole bunch of TE on his side

We'll see the GA left side of the line. Washington beside Jones.

[BURGH86STEEL]

We'll see the GA left side of the line. Washington beside Jones.

Time will tell when the lights go on.

[feltdizz]

The coming season for me will be one of the most exciting in a long time because of a bit of off season difference and the great unknown. Hopefully the excitement continues for the 17 and maybe additional duration. They're due!

I feel the same way. Not sure how anyone is down on this team with all these new pieces and a QB in his second year who finished the last 7 games with a 6-1 record. Not counting the Baltimore game where he only played 2 series.

[WindyCitySteel]

This is my stance on Moore vs. Jones -- you're going to run an ultra-physical run-first offense, why would you put the below-average run-blocking Moore out there? Don't make the same mistake you made with Kenny, get him ready from day 1 and make him part of the solution by leveraging his dominant run blocking.


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/07/steelers-offensive-play-style-favors-broderick-jones-over-dan-moore-jr-beat-writer-argues/

[Captain Lemming]

This is my stance on Moore vs. Jones -- you're going to run an ultra-physical run-first offense, why would you put the below-average run-blocking Moore out there? Don't make the same mistake you made with Kenny, get him ready from day 1 and make him part of the solution by leveraging his dominant run blocking.


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/07/steelers-offensive-play-style-favors-broderick-jones-over-dan-moore-jr-beat-writer-argues/

I can see your point. I also agree we did Kenny a disservice by waiting. But I dont know if you want to get Jones feet wet against the murderers row of pass rushers to start the season. Dont want to get Kenny hurt in a rush to get Jones pt.

If the kid is truly ready sure.

If Moore appears improved and Jones is still looking raw, give the kid spot duty to grow.

[hawaiiansteel]

OT BRODERICK JONES

Experience: Rookie

Contract status: $3.02 million cap hit in 2023, signed through 2026 with team option for 2027

2023 outlook: Jones (6-foot-5, 311 pounds) has talent and pedigree (14th overall draft pick) that are quickly apparent on a practice field. The Steelers traded up four picks to ensure they got him in the draft, the rare instance in recent years that offensive line was prioritized. It?s a matter of time before Jones becomes a starter, but will it happen by Week 1 of this season?

Incumbent starting left tackle Dan Moore Jr. had by many indications a strong offseason and session of summer workouts. And for all Jones? strengths and his positive long-term outlook, he only recently turned 21 years old and has only one season as a college starter (aside from four starts late in the 2021 season) on his r?sum?. Also Moore (still just 24) has gotten significantly more NFL game reps than Jones did at Georgia, and that is in addition to starting twice as many SEC games as Jones.

That?s all to say that Jones perhaps isn?t a finished product ready to jump right into a role as a franchise left tackle. Barring a collapse, he most certainly is the left tackle of the future, probably for a decade or more. But for 2023, it will be interesting to watch when (if?) he usurps Moore. Many initially predicted that Jones would be getting first-team reps by now.

Perhaps an assimilation period in which Jones serves as a ?third tight end/extra tackle? is in order. The Steelers like to do that with their young, developing tackles, but they?ve never had one with as much pure talent as Jones. Make no mistake, Jones is the real deal. In the context of this upcoming training camp alone, though, it?s not assured he will be with the first team.


https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-2-a-days-will-broderick-jones-start-week-1-can-manny-jones-work-into-dl-mix/

[NorthCoast]

I can see your point. I also agree we did Kenny a disservice by waiting. But I dont know if you want to get Jones feet wet against the murderers row of pass rushers to start the season. Dont want to get Kenny hurt in a rush to get Jones pt.

If the kid is truly ready sure.

If Moore appears improved and Jones is still looking raw, give the kid spot duty to grow.

☆☆☆
There's no rush to get Jones on the field to start the season with some of the best pass rushers he would face. Let him get used to the speed of the NFL game against lesser opponents.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

☆☆☆
There's no rush to get Jones on the field to start the season with some of the best pass rushers he would face. Let him get used to the speed of the NFL game against lesser opponents.

Jones has camp and the pre-season to prove he is ready and get used to the speed of the game. He will start sometime in the 2023 season. I hope he opens up as the starter.

[WindyCitySteel]

☆☆☆
There's no rush to get Jones on the field to start the season with some of the best pass rushers he would face. Let him get used to the speed of the NFL game against lesser opponents.

There's every possibility that Moore gets beat by those rushers, too. Pretty likely, I'd guess. I'd rather have the guy out there who can drive the running game to keep the Steelers out of the obvious passing downs that would feature those mismatches.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

This is my stance on Moore vs. Jones -- you're going to run an ultra-physical run-first offense, why would you put the below-average run-blocking Moore out there? Don't make the same mistake you made with Kenny, get him ready from day 1 and make him part of the solution by leveraging his dominant run blocking.


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/07/steelers-offensive-play-style-favors-broderick-jones-over-dan-moore-jr-beat-writer-argues/

I think most would agree that if Jones is the better player after the pre-season then he should be given the chance to start and not wait until he has reached some arbitrary level before he can start. When it came to Pickett, I always thought there were important milestones for a QB to reach before being ready. When it comes to LT, may the best man win, but if on day one the best man is Moore, then let him start until Jones is ready to surpass him.

[Steel Maniac]

We took him in the first round with the 17 pick for a reason. Our O-line needs were at red alert status before the draft. Get him ready to play week # 1 and so what if he's going against prime rushers; knife sharpens knife and it will just make him a better player by mid-season.

[Oviedo]

We took him in the first round with the 17 pick for a reason. Our O-line needs were at red alert status before the draft. Get him ready to play week # 1 and so what if he's going against prime rushers; knife sharpens knife and it will just make him a better player by mid-season.


It's about being a winning team by mid-season, not about one player.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

We took him in the first round with the 17 pick for a reason. Our O-line needs were at red alert status before the draft. Get him ready to play week # 1 and so what if he's going against prime rushers; knife sharpens knife and it will just make him a better player by mid-season.
Just because you take someone in the 1st doesn't mean that they're necessarily better than the prior guy on day 1.
This team has a history of being "good enough" to where it actually does take time for the picks to win the job, even at your weakest links (neither Roethlisberger, Polamalu started day 1)

[feltdizz]

Just because you take someone in the 1st doesn't mean that they're necessarily better than the prior guy on day 1.
This team has a history of being "good enough" to where it actually does take time for the picks to win the job, even at your weakest links (neither Roethlisberger, Polamalu started day 1)

If he’s ready, play him.. if not, fine with waiting.

I felt the same way bout Kenny starting day 1. I knew if he didn’t start it would happen sooner than later, still wasn’t happy about it but a few games are a blip in a career if the player pans out.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

If he’s ready, play him.. if not, fine with waiting.

I felt the same way bout Kenny starting day 1. I knew if he didn’t start it would happen sooner than later, still wasn’t happy about it but a few games are a blip in a career if the player pans out.
Exactly.
I get the impression that Tomlin (and even Cowher) like to err on the side of caution, which is fine. They finished 7-2 with the guys there

[Steel Maniac]

Just because you take someone in the 1st doesn't mean that they're necessarily better than the prior guy on day 1.


Your right; but in this case, Jones is better than Moore. Moore is a bum.
If we really want to protect our supposed franchise QB and get the running game going , start Jones. If not, your risking the health of KP every time he drops back. I've seen enough. I saw how he played when we played good teams at the beginning of our schedule last year. I don't care what Moore did against the Atlanta Falcon teams of the league.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Your right; but in this case, Jones is better than Moore. Moore is a bum.
If we really want to protect our supposed franchise QB and get the running game going , start Jones. If not, your risking the health of KP every time he drops back. I've seen enough. I saw how he played when we played good teams at the beginning of our schedule last year. I don't care what Moore did against the Atlanta Falcon teams of the league.
Moore has had ups and downs, that's for sure. And I agree that I don't see him as a long-term solution at LT.

HOWEVER for the short term, he may have a better chance with some pass-rush vets.

If they start Jones day 1 with those matchups AND he plays well, this team has found a gem...

[Captain Lemming]

Just because you take someone in the 1st doesn't mean that they're necessarily better than the prior guy on day 1.
This team has a history of being "good enough" to where it actually does take time for the picks to win the job, even at your weakest links (neither Roethlisberger, Polamalu started day 1)

Wrong. TOMLIN ALONE does holds rookies back.
Thats been apparent ever since he sat Ben and Troy

[WindyCitySteel]

I'd be very surprised if Jones is not already the better run blocker, maybe by a good margin, and the offense is going to be built around the run. Hopefully that will inform the coaches about who should start.

If they're in twice as many obvious passing downs with Moore, is that a better situation? Bosa, Garrett, and Crosby are tough for anyone.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Wrong. TOMLIN ALONE does holds rookies back.
Thats been apparent ever since he sat Ben and Troy
you left out Mahommes... Tomlin sat him, too

[Captain Lemming]

I'd be very surprised if Jones is not already the better run blocker, maybe by a good margin, and the offense is going to be built around the run. Hopefully that will inform the coaches about who should start.

If they're in twice as many obvious passing downs with Moore, is that a better situation? Bosa, Garrett, and Crosby are tough for anyone.

That IS an interesting take. He may well be a superior run blocker already and THIS angle for protecting Kenny from 4th and long situations to begin with makes sense.

Gotta think about that one.

[Captain Lemming]

you left out Mahommes... Tomlin sat him, too

Absolutely. How could I forget?

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Your right; but in this case, Jones is better than Moore. Moore is a bum.
If we really want to protect our supposed franchise QB and get the running game going , start Jones. If not, your risking the health of KP every time he drops back. I've seen enough. I saw how he played when we played good teams at the beginning of our schedule last year. I don't care what Moore did against the Atlanta Falcon teams of the league.

If Jones is better than Moore, and shows that throughout camp, then nobody is saying he shouldn't start. If Moore shows he is better then you don't play Jones just because he is the first round pick who you traded up for. I think that's what most are saying. Give everyone a fresh look and let them determine the day one starter....with everyone knowing that at some point the undisputed #1 will be Jones.

[Steel Maniac]

I’m concerned about KP. I want him to have proper protection.

[Born2Steel]

I could see Moore starting at LT vs Bosa, Garrett, and Maxx and maybe Jones getting his first start week 7or8 vs the AFC South foes Titans or Jags. I could see that but don't expect that. I think either Moore will continue at LT and Jones takes over the RT spot, OR Jones starts at LT week1 and Moore takes over the RT spot. Chuks has been good in pass protection, but all reports say he is not physical nor aggressive enough in the run game. Chuks is making all the money though.

[WindyCitySteel]

Charlie Batch expects Jones to win the job early in camp. Hope he's right.


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/07/fully-expect-him-to-get-the-early-nod-charlie-batch-sets-camp-expectations-for-ot-broderick-jones/

[NJ-STEELER]

Charlie Batch expects Jones to win the job early in camp. Hope he's right.


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/07/fully-expect-him-to-get-the-early-nod-charlie-batch-sets-camp-expectations-for-ot-broderick-jones/

mini camp talk was that Moore came in bad ass shape. Maybe not wanting to give his starting position away.

before watching both perform in camp/ preseason.
I won’t freak out if it takes jones a few weeks to break into the starting line up

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Charlie Batch expects Jones to win the job early in camp. Hope he's right.


https://steelersdepot.com/2023/07/fully-expect-him-to-get-the-early-nod-charlie-batch-sets-camp-expectations-for-ot-broderick-jones/

I would give him the job in camp early with the #1's and if he is as capable as the film suggests he is, start him for the season. Mistakes I can deal with, but physical dominance he brings vs. the run or pass is better than Moore jr. Let the rookie do his thing and learn on the job as physical dominance is something Moore lacks. And he is not a technician who plays mistake free football either. So...

[WindyCitySteel]

I would give him the job in camp early with the #1's and if he is as capable as the film suggests he is, start him for the season. Mistakes I can deal with, but physical dominance he brings vs. the run or pass is better than Moore jr. Let the rookie do his thing and learn on the job as physical dominance is something Moore lacks. And he is not a technician who plays mistake free football either. So...

Agree 100%. We're supposed to be running a power offense, he's a much better run blocker than Moore. Throw the rook TE on his left to help chip in the pass game and road grade in the run game.

Washington/Jones/Seamalu could dominate.

[Iron City Inc.]

I would give him the job in camp early with the #1's and if he is as capable as the film suggests he is, start him for the season. Mistakes I can deal with, but physical dominance he brings vs. the run or pass is better than Moore jr. Let the rookie do his thing and learn on the job as physical dominance is something Moore lacks. And he is not a technician who plays mistake free football either. So...

I would let Jones earn it. I do believe he'll stay on the left side and he likely will earn it BUT he has to do it at camp and in games. I believe Steelers will evaluate this the same way. Sorry Joel we're going to the same place just taking different paths. In time Jones starts at LT and Moore slides to guard or RT and that's okay.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I would let Jones earn it. I do believe he'll stay on the left side and he likely will earn it BUT he has to do it at camp and in games. I believe Steelers will evaluate this the same way. Sorry Joel we're going to the same place just taking different paths. In time Jones starts at LT and Moore slides to guard or RT and that's okay.

I am okay with that. But that means cutting Chucks, the cap busting overpaid and under producing RT. Chucks is the type of player that's good enough to win with but that as far as he goes.

Either way Jones has the ability to be a good LT, Moore does not. We shall see in camp, but Jones play was very impressive in the SEC. Like I said he has the physicality and tools to kick @ss vs the run or pass. Moore does not . I am sold on that. Therefore even if Moore Jr is more experienced and technically better for now because Jones is a rookie, I'd go with him UNLESS Jones is really hurting in that department. I don't think that will be the case for long. I'd start him as the LT in camp for this first two weeks and see just how mentally and technically ready he is. Like I said Moore is a journeyman starter. Tomlin IMO is a little slow with promotion of players. He is the man who picks who starts.

[Steel Maniac]

I am okay with that. But that means cutting Chucks, the cap busting overpaid and under producing RT. Chucks is the type of player that's good enough to win with but that as far as he goes.

Either way Jones has the ability to be a good LT, Moore does not. We shall see in camp, but Jones play was very impressive in the SEC. Like I said he has the physicality and tools to kick @ss vs the run or pass. Moore does not . I am sold on that. Therefore even if Moore Jr is more experienced and technically better for now because Jones is a rookie, I'd go with him UNLESS Jones is really hurting in that department. I don't think that will be the case for long. I'd start him as the LT in camp for this first two weeks and see just how mentally and technically ready he is. Like I said Moore is a journeyman starter. Tomlin IMO is a little slow with promotion of players. He is the man who picks who starts.

Can't wait until camp starts. We need to get rid of some dead weight. Or have it moved to it's proper place on the bench.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Best player plays, it will be sorted out in camp.

[Steel Maniac]

Best player plays, it will be sorted out in camp.

I'm gonna wait until after week 3 in the preseason and then I want to find out how you feel about the potential starters on the O-line.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Best player plays, it will be sorted out in camp.

Absolutely. I have no concerns regarding Jones having to start day one, and the Steelers are not a team that will hand a starting job to a rook over an incumbent before it is earned.

[Steel Maniac]

Absolutely. I have no concerns regarding Jones having to start day one, and the Steelers are not a team that will hand a starting job to a rook over an incumbent before it is earned.

True...they'll make him work for it.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

True...they'll make him work for it.

Exactly, as they should.

[hawaiiansteel]

Broderick Jones went 4/4 on wins in one on ones. Really good showing for the rookie.

Aug 1, 2023


https://twitter.com/FarabaughFB/status/1686462152666652672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1686462152666652672%7Ctwgr% 5Eddaebf61c5078e8792f406a26f368e9b53218f07%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&amp;ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steelersuniverse.c om%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%2F34458-Quick-Hits-Training-Camp-2023%2Fpage2

[feltdizz]

Broderick Jones went 4/4 on wins in one on ones. Really good showing for the rookie.

Aug 1, 2023


https://twitter.com/FarabaughFB/status/1686462152666652672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1686462152666652672%7Ctwgr% 5Eddaebf61c5078e8792f406a26f368e9b53218f07%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&amp;ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steelersuniverse.c om%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%2F34458-Quick-Hits-Training-Camp-2023%2Fpage2


There are no wins in camp.

[NorthCoast]

Broderick Jones went 4/4 on wins in one on ones. Really good showing for the rookie.

Aug 1, 2023


https://twitter.com/FarabaughFB/status/1686462152666652672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1686462152666652672%7Ctwgr% 5Eddaebf61c5078e8792f406a26f368e9b53218f07%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&amp;ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steelersuniverse.c om%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%2F34458-Quick-Hits-Training-Camp-2023%2Fpage2

Argh. They always leave off the details.... against who??

[Steel Maniac]

Put him up against TJ a whole lot. LOL. After an entire camp of that, the 49ers opening game will seem like a summer vacation for BJ. lol...get him battle tested by the best.

[Ghost]

There are no wins in camp.

Sorry, but Jones has already been enshrined in "the second week of his first training camp" HOF!

[hawaiiansteel]

Time spent at Georgia has helped Broderick Jones take patient approach to winning job with Steelers

JOE RUTTER | Sunday, Aug. 6, 2023


https://triblive.com/sports/time-spent-at-georgia-has-helped-broderick-jones-take-patient-approach-to-winning-job-with-steelers/