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Oviedo
08-09-2019, 04:46 PM
Just the next mental issue for the old #84.

Brown is refusing to play football unless he gets to wear his old helmet which the NFL banned. Got to love the soap opera. This guy needs a better helmet because he is clearly mental

Raiders are going to be a season long "Sh!t Show" with Brown

Steelgal
08-09-2019, 04:53 PM
I was initially mad we only got a third and a fifth round pick for him in the trade. Now I’m thinking that looks like a great deal.

Oh wow
08-09-2019, 04:54 PM
Just read about this. Tom Brady is also complained about the banned helmet.

hawaiiansteel
08-09-2019, 05:24 PM
Sources: AB says no football without old helmet

Adam Schefter
ESPN Senior Writer

Wide receiver Antonio Brown has told the Oakland Raiders that unless he can wear his old helmet, he will not play football again, league sources told ESPN on Friday.

League sources said Brown had a two-hour conference call with NFL officials on Friday in an attempt to argue why he should be allowed to wear his 10-year-old helmet.

A decision could come as early as next week, sources said.

Brown wants be allowed to wear the helmet he prefers, not one of the helmets that league rules mandate, league sources said. Brown believes the new certified helmet protrudes out and interferes with his vision as he tries to catch the football.

The Raiders have been sending Brown other approved helmets to wear, but at this time, he is not interested in wearing any of them.

League sources also told ESPN that Brown's recent absence from Raiders training camp has more to do with his helmet than with his feet. He suffered extreme frostbite on his feet as a result of not wearing appropriate footwear when he entered a cryotherapy chamber last month in France, a source told ESPN.

The helmet that Brown is comfortable in and has worn throughout his career with the Pittsburgh Steelers -- believed to be the Schutt Air Advantage helmet, which the company has discontinued making -- is no longer certified by the National Operating Committee for Standards and Athletic Equipment.

The NFL has a policy of not allowing players to wear helmets that are not certified by NOCSAE. NOCSAE's rule has been that no helmets older than 10 years can be worn.

It's the latest complication in what has become a complicated summer for Brown, from his head to his feet.

The foot injury has limited his practice time, and he has not been in camp recently as he meets with specialists. Other league sources, however, told ESPN that the helmet issue has been an ongoing battle since the start of training camp.

The NFL and NFLPA want players to wear helmets designed in the most effective manner to safeguard against potential head injuries.

The Raiders are "aware and supportive of Antonio Brown but [have] no further comment."

During the offseason, the NFL and NFLPA added 11 helmets to their joint list of approved equipment for this season while eliminating a grace period for other models that have fallen short in laboratory testing. By the end of last season, the NFL said 32 players were wearing helmets that now are banned. Brown was one, and Patriots quarterback Tom Brady -- who has openly complained about the rule -- was another.

Though the league and NFLPA have tested helmets since 2015, last year marked the first time they banned certain models. This season, the league is enforcing the rule and trying to make no exceptions, even saying that any player wearing a banned helmet will be subject to discipline.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27356491/sources-ab-says-no-football-old-helmet

hawaiiansteel
08-09-2019, 05:27 PM
Just read about this. Tom Brady is also complained about the banned helmet.

NFL enforces helmet ban for Brady, 31 others

Apr 13, 2019
Kevin Seifert

The NFL and NFL Players Association have added 11 helmets to their joint list of approved equipment for 2019 while eliminating a grace period for other models that have fallen short in laboratory testing, engineers and executives representing both groups said Friday.

By the end of last season, 32 players, including New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, were wearing helmets that are now banned.

Jeff Miller, the NFL's executive vice president for health and safety initiatives, said it is "eminently doable" to convert them to approved equipment.

Each team's equipment manager has been instructed to remove all banned helmets, which are listed on a poster distributed to teams Friday. If a team is found to have known about a player wearing a banned helmet, or to have facilitated the use of one, it will be subject to league discipline, Miller said on a conference call with reporters.

The NFL and NFLPA have been testing helmets since 2015, but they agreed for the first time last year to prohibit lower-performing models. Six were banned immediately and four others, including the one often used by Brady, were allowed to be worn for one more year.

There were no additions to the list of banned helmets for 2019. Of the 11 models tested this spring, nine were new to the market, one was tweaked significantly and another had been overlooked in 2018, according to Dr. Kristy Arbogast, the NFLPA's engineering consultant.

Six of the new helmets were ranked among the top 10 on the 2019 poster. For the third consecutive year, the VICIS Zero1 helmet landed atop the list, followed by the Schutt F7 LTD and the Riddell SpeedFlex Precision Diamond.

"One of the most exciting things is seeing how our years of testing protocol is really driving innovation," Arbogast said. "You can see when you see the poster that many of the new helmets that are being introduced to the market are top performers. And so I think through the perspective of the players, it's phenomenal that we are driving innovation and we are driving design to release products that perform better on the field."

About 50 percent of players moved to a better-performing helmet in 2018, according to statistics released by the NFL. By Week 17 of last season, 74 percent of players used a helmet that ranked in the top category. The NFL will send a list to teams of the 32 players who were still wearing underperforming helmets in 2018 to help facilitate upgrades.

Arbogast said players who objected to the change mostly said they preferred the fit, comfort and look of their old helmets. Dr. Jeff Crandall, chairman of the NFL's engineering committee, said several of the models added to this year's list are upgraded versions of those helmets.

"One of the things that prevented some players from moving," Crandall said, "might have been about comfort or fit or aesthetics of the helmet, not necessarily the safety. But there is a wide number of [approved helmets] that are comparable in the aesthetics now. We're optimistic that this will lead to a migration of folks."

The helmet testing is conducted in a lab at Biokinetics Inc. in Canada. According to Crandall, crash test dummies wearing each helmet are outfitted with sensors and put through impacts of eight locations at three speeds each. The tests focus on linear accelerations, rotational accelerations and velocity, he said, and lead to a performance metric that "characterizes the ability of the helmet to manage the forces of impact."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26505526/nfl-enforces-helmet-ban-brady-31-others

SteelBucks
08-09-2019, 05:30 PM
Apparently AB is also “radio silent” and the Raiders don’t know where he is and what the status is of his injured feet.

You just can’t make this stuff up!

Steel Maniac
08-09-2019, 05:33 PM
I was initially mad we only got a third and a fifth round pick for him in the trade. Now I’m thinking that looks like a great deal.

boom......

Steel Maniac
08-09-2019, 05:33 PM
Apparently AB is also “radio silent” and the Raiders don’t know where he is and what the status is of his injured feet.

You just can’t make this stuff up!

ACB at his finest.

Steel Maniac
08-09-2019, 05:34 PM
Just the next mental issue for the old #84.

Brown is refusing to play football unless he gets to wear his old helmet which the NFL banned. Got to love the soap opera. This guy needs a better helmet because he is clearly mental

Raiders are going to be a season long "Sh!t Show" with Brown

This is great drama for hard knocks!!

Disco1981
08-09-2019, 05:49 PM
Just read about this. Tom Brady is also complained about the banned helmet.

Dammit...I was getting all excited that ******* was gonna retire lol...But you said Marsha too...Mark my words, It will be allowed now

Steelerphile
08-09-2019, 06:26 PM
The commentators and fans who placed the lion's share of the blame for ABs antics and final separation with the Steelers on Roethlisberger and Tomlin should begin to rethink that. Brown is a temperamental nut. He is very driven and but focused mostly on his personal needs. I think he has his positive qualities, and he was very productive for the Steelers; so, I don't have any hate for him.

But he might not do as well in another environment, which isn't as adaptable to his idiosyncrasies as the Steelers were. Bryant completely was not productive when he went to the Raiders. Brown's productivity could take a big dive there. We'll see.

Oh wow
08-09-2019, 06:36 PM
Dammit...I was getting all excited that ******* was gonna retire lol...But you said Marsha too...Mark my words, It will be allowed now

Yup. I bet they make an exemption or some type of compromise. There are 32 players on the banned helmet list.

AzStillers1989
08-09-2019, 06:42 PM
Ha...haha.hahahahaha......

omg I’m goin broke buying all this popcorn.

fordfixer
08-09-2019, 06:46 PM
AB’s reason for not needing the new helmet “ but Vontaze Burfict in on my team now”

fordfixer
08-09-2019, 09:19 PM
Will Raiders send Antonio Brown the dreaded “five-day letter”?
Posted by Mike Florio on August 9, 2019, 5:03 PM EDT


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/09/will-raiders-send-antonio-brown-the-dreaded-five-day-letter/

It had seemed that the Raiders were treading lightly with receiver Antonio Brown‘s absence in order to keep him from looking foolish for freezing his feet — a fate possibly even more embarrasing than stepping on a George Foreman grill while it’s cooking your morning bacon. It now seems that the Raiders were tiptoeing around Brown because they simply don’t know how to deal with him.

And, based on the way he exited Pittsburgh, they should not be surprised.


His feet ostensibly have kept him from practicing, but he had passed a physical, exited the non-football injury list, and practiced once. Which means that team doctors believed he was good to go.

It could indeed be, as suggested by Adam Schefter of ESPN, that Brown’s current absence is more about his helmet preference and less about his feet. So if he refuses to show up and practice due to his helmet, what can the Raiders do?

Not much, as a practical matter. And their primary option for forcing him to come back could blow up in their faces.

Brown, if he’s not with the team and refuses to return, could be put on the active/left squad list. By rule, the team’s leverage for getting him to return would be sending a so-called “five-day letter.” If he doesn’t return within five days, the team could then shift Brown to the reserve/left squad list, which would shut him down for the season and shut off any obligation to pay him.

Because the Raiders gave Brown a signing bonus of only $1 million, he wouldn’t have to write a gigantic check back to the team if his failure to show up in response to a five-day latter ends his season. However, he’d lose $14.625 million in fully-guaranteed salary for 2020. Likewise, $14.5 million in full guarantees for 2021 would likely void.

It remains to be seen whether the Raiders will take such an aggressive approach with Brown. However, the detailed tweet stream from Mike Silver of NFL Network regarding the various concerns and complaints about Brown surely came from someone with the Raiders and not from Brown. Given that Raiders G.M. Mike Mayock worked at NFL Network — and in light of his reputation for being a no-nonsense, Belichickian, old-school #footballguy — it’s quite possible that Mayock and/or coach Jon Gruden are close enough to the breaking point to have leaked to one of Mayock’s former colleagues embarrasing details about Brown.

The next question becomes whether Mayock and Gruden decide to go the rest of the way and send a five-day letter.

Either way, Tuesday night’s edition of Hard Knocks could be fascinating. Although Gruden was able to grind most of the Brown stuff onto the cutting room floor for Episode One, this week Gruden may decide to let the world know what they’ve been dealing with.

SidSmythe
08-09-2019, 09:26 PM
This is a cover up for his FOOT DEBACLE.
This guy is embarrassing himself and he knows it.

fordfixer
08-09-2019, 09:32 PM
This is a cover up for his FOOT DEBACLE.
This guy is embarrassing himself and he knows it.
I was thinking this also

Oh wow
08-09-2019, 09:33 PM
Yup. I bet they make an exemption or some type of compromise. There are 32 players on the banned helmet list.

Apparently, Brady changes helmets this year. He was grandfathered in for 2018 but the league is serious about this new ban since the style they wear has been discontinued by the manufacturer.

I doubt AB wins this appeal.

Oh wow
08-09-2019, 09:35 PM
This is a cover up for his FOOT DEBACLE.
This guy is embarrassing himself and he knows it.


How? His nasty feet are all over the Internet.

SteelBucks
08-09-2019, 10:17 PM
Foot-gate has been replaced by helmet-gate....and the season hasn’t even started yet. Can’t wait for what’s next.

NJ-STEELER
08-10-2019, 12:16 AM
The commentators and fans who placed the lion's share of the blame for ABs antics and final separation with the Steelers on Roethlisberger and Tomlin should begin to rethink that. Brown is a temperamental nut. He is very driven and but focused mostly on his personal needs. I think he has his positive qualities, and he was very productive for the Steelers; so, I don't have any hate for him.

But he might not do as well in another environment, which isn't as adaptable to his idiosyncrasies as the Steelers were. Bryant completely was not productive when he went to the Raiders. Brown's productivity could take a big dive there. We'll see.

its been a hell of a lot of laughs re visiting those social media sites and people who were blaming Ben

NJ-STEELER
08-10-2019, 12:19 AM
Just the next mental issue for the old #84.

Brown is refusing to play football unless he gets to wear his old helmet which the NFL banned. Got to love the soap opera. This guy needs a better helmet because he is clearly mental

Raiders are going to be a season long "Sh!t Show" with Brown

he should tell the league he'll sign a waiver to wear the old helmet.
can't do anymore damage to that brain of his

Moonie
08-10-2019, 06:33 AM
Brown is now problematic from head to toe.

RobinCole
08-10-2019, 08:01 AM
I thought he would be a problem child for the Raiders but not this soon. He really IS a head case. Who knew?

Oviedo
08-10-2019, 09:18 AM
I thought he would be a problem child for the Raiders but not this soon. He really IS a head case. Who knew?

Perhaps all the Tomlin haters will now realize the leadership and level of control he had to get this guy to perform

Disco1981
08-10-2019, 09:49 AM
Brown is now problematic from head to toe.

I see what you did there...lmao

AzStillers1989
08-10-2019, 11:12 AM
Brown is now problematic from head to toe.

Hah! Great pun here! Lmao

flippy
08-10-2019, 12:10 PM
I’m pretty sure it’s CTE.

Technically, the helmet probably doesn’t matter at this point.

Brown should retire and sue the league for the brain damage.

The sad part is the guy is sick and no one cares.

fordfixer
08-10-2019, 01:48 PM
I’m pretty sure it’s CTE.

Technically, the helmet probably doesn’t matter at this point.

Brown should retire and sue the league for the brain damage.

The sad part is the guy is sick and no one cares.
Including himself

Disco1981
08-10-2019, 02:20 PM
Dude ain't been right since Burfict scrambled him up

hawaiiansteel
08-10-2019, 02:40 PM
AB is a head case...

hawaiiansteel
08-10-2019, 04:39 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBkfiSoXYAE-PAP?format=jpg&name=small

Buzz
08-10-2019, 06:30 PM
lol lol lol lol

Ernie
08-10-2019, 08:11 PM
Where are those folks who held out hope that "Cooler heads would prevail"...and that he would return a Steeler this year? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Eddie Spaghetti
08-10-2019, 08:18 PM
I want to know where all the people who were blaming big bad Ben are

this clown continues to make them look like fools

it was open season on Ben for about a month and now all you hear are crickets. really kind of pathetic

Steel Maniac
08-10-2019, 08:24 PM
Dude ain't been right since Burfict scrambled him up
You may be right

Steel Maniac
08-10-2019, 08:25 PM
I want to know where all the people who were blaming big bad Ben are

this clown continues to make them look like fools

it was open season on Ben for about a month and now all you hear are crickets. really kind of pathetic

I know one particular Ben hater who is quiet as a church mouse right now. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Captain Lemming
08-11-2019, 12:53 AM
I know one particular Ben hater who is quiet as a church mouse right now. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Considering you continue to refer to people you have on “ignore” how would you know? :)

If you are talking Oh Wow, he has 4 posts on this 2 day old thread.

hawaiiansteel
08-11-2019, 01:04 AM
Antonio Brown posts on social media: If I leave, will fans still love me?

Posted by Charean Williams on August 9, 2019

Antonio Brown posted on Instagram after news broke that he has threatened to quit if he can’t wear his old helmet. The Raiders receiver had a two-hour grievance hearing Friday regarding his helmet.

“I love the game; I love the hustle,” Brown wrote. “Young-in got doe he can leave the league but if I leave will the fans still gone love me man? #paidinfull”

Is Brown saying he has all the money he needs and therefore is willing to walk away?

If he retires, Brown will owe the Raiders only $1 million unless Oakland could capture the prorated signing bonus from his Steelers contract.

However, he would lose $14.625 million in fully-guaranteed salary for 2020. Likewise, $14.5 million in full guarantees for 2021 likely would void.

Brown has made $72.9 million in his career, according to overthecap.com.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/09/antonio-brown-posts-on-social-media-if-i-leave-will-fans-still-love-me/

Buzz
08-11-2019, 01:10 AM
I want to know where all the people who were blaming big bad Ben are

this clown continues to make them look like fools

it was open season on Ben for about a month and now all you hear are crickets. really kind of pathetic

Yeah, there really should be some apologies, but I don't expect we'll hear any.

The more that comes out, the more we see what kind of crap Ben & the team was getting from AB for the past few years. Should have shipped Brown's arse after the livestream locker room incident.

Captain Lemming
08-11-2019, 01:19 AM
I want to know where all the people who were blaming big bad Ben are

this clown continues to make them look like fools

it was open season on Ben for about a month and now all you hear are crickets. really kind of pathetic

I’ll take the bait.
You will not find anyone on the board who had a problem with Brown before me.
Dude is an idiot and I’m glad he is gone and wanted him gone years ago.

I have been mostly supportive of Ben

THAT SAID, Ben deserves criticism. That “as a leader” speech after the Broncos game was ridiculous and I said AT THE TIME that he needed to fix it or he would lose people.

The criticism of his poor leadership I believed is legit.
Emmanuel Sanders said it YEARS ago.

You don’t PROCLAIM leadership.
You ARE a leader because people follow.

In the media the POV I respect and align with the most is Ryan Clark. I think he is neither a hater, nor a overly biased supporter of Ben.
He tore into Brown as the selfish egomaniac he is.....but he did not leave Ben as guilt free.

CLARK said Ben’s leadership has LONG been questioned.

I wonder if Ben is not a “natural” leader but excels at a position that is assigned leadership?

I feel good that Ben understands his mistakes and will handle things differently. I like the reports we are getting. Frankly, I think Tomlin similarly made mistakes in leadership and am similarly confident he has learned from it.

Captain Lemming
08-11-2019, 01:28 AM
BTW, when I first saw this thread I was SURE is was gonna be about Browns “big-headed” ego not being able to fit a helmet. :)

Steel Maniac
08-11-2019, 09:30 AM
I’ll take the bait.
You will not find anyone on the board who had a problem with Brown before me.
Dude is an idiot and I’m glad he is gone and wanted him gone years ago.

I have been mostly supportive of Ben

THAT SAID, Ben deserves criticism. That “as a leader” speech after the Broncos game was ridiculous and I said AT THE TIME that he needed to fix it or he would lose people.

The criticism of his poor leadership I believed is legit.
Emmanuel Sanders said it YEARS ago.

You don’t PROCLAIM leadership.
You ARE a leader because people follow.

In the media the POV I respect and align with the most is Ryan Clark. I think he is neither a hater, nor a overly biased supporter of Ben.
He tore into Brown as the selfish egomaniac he is.....but he did not leave Ben as guilt free.

CLARK said Ben’s leadership has LONG been questioned.

I wonder if Ben is not a “natural” leader but excels at a position that is assigned leadership?

I feel good that Ben understands his mistakes and will handle things differently. I like the reports we are getting. Frankly, I think Tomlin similarly made mistakes in leadership and am similarly confident he has learned from it.

Cap, I agree with you mostly but I think the parts that Ben played in those situations were blown out of proportion somewhat. And now that the vail has been pulled back on ACB, (and we find out all the things Steeler management secretly put up with from ACB for years) we are seeing that when in matters concerning ACB, he was 90% of the problem. If Ben was as bad as some in this room were saying, we'd still be having problems from Ben as well. But we are not.

ACB and his antics were always the catalyst of the issues between those two

**What part did Ben play when Brown was throwing things off of buildings and almost hitting people on the streets below?
** What part did Ben play when I was telling everyone Brown was a piece of garbage by sprinkling babies all over the state of Florida??

ACB has been a wrecking ball of disaster (on & off the field) and it's been amazing how these things were covered up for so long. The only thing in life that he's excelled at is playing WR and now the trifling ways of his life are finally affecting that now.

hawaiiansteel
08-11-2019, 03:41 PM
Antonio Brown reportedly tried to trick Raiders with bootleg helmet

August 10, 2019
by Larry Brown

Antonio Brown’s serious helmet dispute with the NFL had a funny moment recently, though it’s one the Oakland Raiders probably did not find too amusing.

Brown reportedly is refusing to play unless he can wear the helmet he has been wearing his entire career. The problem is the league has new helmet safety requirements, and Brown’s old-style helmet is on the banned list because it reportedly did not meet an acceptable level in lab testing.

When news of the Brown helmet story was reported on Friday, NFL Media’s Michael Silver shared numerous details about what was happening. Silver says Brown was vocal in OTAs with the Raiders about his objections to using an approved helmet. Though he accepted a new helmet, Silver says Brown later tried to take the field with a bootleg Raiders helmet. Silver further reported Brown tried to use his old helmet that he had repainted as if he were attempting to trick the Raiders.

This bootleg Raiders helmet used by Brown might be the greatest collectible in the NFL. We need a picture of it, pronto.

According to Silver, in addition to trying to use his old helmet at OTAs earlier in the offseason, Brown tried to sneak his old helmet onto the field during training camp. The veteran receiver has gone missing from training camp in the meantime as he deals with issues about the helmet and his reported frostbitten feet.

Brown had an arbitration hearing with the league on Friday over the matter. The Raiders reportedly expect the situation to be resolved next week.


https://larrybrownsports.com/football/antonio-brown-trick-raiders-bootleg-helmet/508527

hawaiiansteel
08-11-2019, 07:28 PM
Cryotherapy experts baffled by Antonio Brown’s frostbitten feet

PAUL GUGGENHEIMER | Friday, August 9, 2019

The picture circulating on social media of Antonio Brown’s feet is reportedly the result of a cryotherapy session gone very wrong.

From heel to toe, the bottoms of Brown’s feet are one big blister, with yellowish dying skin giving way to a shade of raw pink.

Local cryotherapy experts wonder how Brown or those who administered the procedure didn’t know to properly protect his feet.

Brown, an All-Pro wide receiver who played nine seasons with the Steelers before being traded to the Oakland Raiders in March, is no stranger to the cryotherapy. The procedure involves stepping into a cylindrical, metal tube chilled to temperatures of minus 270 degrees by nitrogen vapor.

Brown was in France for treatment and got into a cryotherapy machine without the proper footwear, according to news reports. The procedure resulted in both of his feet being frostbitten.

Nick Huston, co-owner of Cranberry Cryotherapy, says anyone who steps into a cryotherapy chamber at his facility is required to wear warm dry socks, protective boots and gloves on their hands.

“Obviously (Brown) wasn’t wearing the protection,” Huston said. “How he went into the chamber without it, I honestly have no idea. Here it’s checked and double-checked with each client before they get into the machine.”

Dr. Matt Burnett, a certified chiropractic sports medicine specialist with Legacy Medical Centers in Peters, said that several Steelers players come to the facility for postgame cryotherapy. He said he has worked with players on all 32 NFL teams including Brown.

“What’s cool about cryo is that when you do it, it’s a rapid constriction of the blood vessels and so what it does is take the blood away from the periphery,” Burnett said. “The adrenal glands squeeze because the body thinks it’s going into shock, and you get a natural endorphin rush. And so it’s a massive anti-inflammatory.”

Burnett says that anyone who undergoes cryotherapy has to be careful and that in all likelihood, Brown was not.

“He would have had to have known that something was going on because your feet start to burn and then they tingle and they turn bright red,” Burnett said of Brown. “He went far past burning, tingling and numbness to have these kinds of results. But it just goes to show that the provider who stuck him in there didn’t know what they were doing.”

Brown hasn’t participated in a full practice during training camp.

“The depth and the extent of the damage will determine his recovery time. If it’s a superficial frostbite, you’re talking one to three weeks and he’s back up and running,” said Burnett. “But if it’s a severe frostbite, and it’s killed a portion of the nerve, he could potentially have neuropathy in his feet where he doesn’t feel his feet as a result of this.”

Burnett said he believes the mishap could plague the remainder of Brown’s NFL career.

“If you’re an NFL receiver, and these guys are all looking for that 1% advantage, not being able to know where your feet are at all times is definitely going to work against you.”


https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/cryotherapy-experts-baffled-by-antonio-browns-frostbitten-feet/

Starlifter
08-11-2019, 07:57 PM
I've said this before, AB being a bad teammate and Ben being a bad leader are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible both are true. I see Ben proclaim himself a leader quite often, but as someone who's been in leadership positions for the last 30 years - I can say that leadership and respect are earned, not given blindly. Not everyone has the qualities necessary, even though they may be placed in a leadership position.

but this thread is about AB.

I know it's only been a day, but AB was coached by Drake for the last several years. Here's a guy who's so narcissistic he tweets about anything - yet not a peep about someone he worked with for the last few years. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he's completely crushed and can't find the words. I really hope that's the case - but I find it surprising he hasn't posted a word.

Eddie Spaghetti
08-11-2019, 08:18 PM
to be fair, internet tells me drake was hired January 26, 2018

Starlifter
08-11-2019, 08:32 PM
to be fair, internet tells me drake was hired January 26, 2018

I thought he coached AB for two seasons, looks like it was only one. thx for the correction.

hawaiiansteel
08-12-2019, 12:08 AM
Jon Gruden Is On Antonio Brown's Side, For Now

Gabe Fernandez

The last time that Raiders coach Jon Gruden had to deal with controversy surrounding a star player on his team, he shipped Khalil Mack off to the Bears and spent most of the next season defending the trade during a 4-12 season. This year, he’s taking a bit of a more level-headed approach, despite the controversy being a lot stranger.

Gruden was asked on Friday about star wideout Antonio Brown threatening to quit football because he’s not allowed to wear the helmet he wants out on the field. Rather than deliver an expected backhanded compliment, or outright snide remark, the Oakland-for-now coach offered nothing but support from the podium, according to ESPN.

“I support this guy. I think that’s what needs to be said,” Gruden said after the Raiders’ 14-3 exhibition-opening win over the Los Angeles Rams on Saturday at RingCentral Coliseum. “I don’t know what anybody’s writing or what anybody thinks, but this foot injury wasn’t his fault. This was a total accident. It really wasn’t his fault, and it’s a serious injury. I know that some people are [joking about] it, but it’s really not a laughing matter. The guy is hurt, he didn’t do anything wrong, and the helmet thing is a personal matter to him.”

“I have a lot of confidence that he’s one of the premier competitors that I’ve ever been around,” Gruden said. “And I’ve got a feeling he would play with no helmet — that’s how much he loves to play. But I’m not going to put words in anybody’s mouth. We’re going to support him, and whatever his decision is, we’ll stand by it. But we’re confident that he’s going to be a huge factor for the Raiders for years to come.

“It was a total accident and injury that he’s looking to get right from, and hopefully, with all the people that have seen it, that he’s gotten it cured, and he’s ready to roll.”

This is definitely a case of damage control meant to not only assuage any potential fears that fans have, but also to put up a front so that the organization can at least pretend that this whole situation hasn’t that big of a distraction. For a franchise that is better known for things they’ve done wrong than done well, it’s a refreshing step in the right direction. But the quote should obviously be only taken with a grain of salt since, well, it’s only the preseason. Sure, there’s always a chance that this is what Gruden actually thinks, but I personally believe these compliments came only because the coach was fresh off a win that featured a 51-yard run from Nathan Peterman.

Let’s see how Gruden’s tune changes once the season starts, and he’s forced to start Derek Carr for the whole game.


https://deadspin.com/jon-gruden-is-on-antonio-browns-side-for-now-1837146318

RobinCole
08-12-2019, 08:41 AM
I’m sure France has good doctors and facilities but why would anyone go to France for cryotherapy when you can get it here? And he’s apparently done so before. Only AB knows.

NorthCoast
08-12-2019, 09:02 AM
ABrown = Team Distraction ............... regardless of where he is......

Ghost
08-12-2019, 09:17 AM
32 players will need to switch helmets this year because their helmets have been excluded from the approved list. But there are 34 different models of approved helmets to choose from now. You’re just being a stubborn Jack-a$$ if you can’t find one that works.


This just came out today (Brown will lose in the fight against the NFL):

While no official ruling has been made, NFL vice president of communications Brian McCarthy tweeted early Monday an indication of the league's thoughts.

"The player can’t practice or play in games with equipment that’s not approved," McCarthy wrote on Twitter. "If he doesn’t play or practice he is in breach of his contract and doesn’t get paid."

McCarthy, who didn't state Brown's name specifically, went on to say that it is the league's policy that helmets have to be certified by the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment (NOCSAE). However, the committee does not certify equipment that’s more than 10 years old, which is the issue in Brown's case.

Oh wow
08-12-2019, 09:22 AM
I’m sure France has good doctors and facilities but why would anyone go to France for cryotherapy when you can get it here? And he’s apparently done so before. Only AB knows.

Athletes sometimes go overseas to get advance treatment that isn’t available in the states. Probably one of many things he does while overseas.

Captain Lemming
08-12-2019, 09:35 AM
Athletes sometimes go overseas to get advance treatment that isn’t available in the states. Probably one of many things he does while overseas.

Yup, if you want to get frostbite because a therapy done correctly as regulated in the US will not result in that, you need to go elsewhere. :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

It was done in France because he CAN thats all.

Idiot is gonna be one of those celebs that winds up broke at 45.

Jooser
08-12-2019, 09:38 AM
NFL addresses Antonio Brown helmet controversy without mentioning star's name
Ryan Gaydos
By Ryan Gaydos | Fox News

The NFL on Monday addressed the helmet controversy involving Oakland Raiders star Antonio Brown without mentioning the wide receiver’s name.

Brown reportedly has threatened to quit football if he is not allowed to wear his old helmet. Brown has worn the same type of helmet for 10 years and, according to ESPN, wants to keep it that way instead of using a newer model helmet mandated by the league.

“The player can’t practice or play in games with equipment that’s not approved,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy tweeted. “If he doesn’t play or practice he is in breach of his contract and doesn’t get paid. Nfl policy is that Helmets have to be certified by NOSCAE. They don’t certify equipment that’s old than 10 years.”

Brown, who has been sidelined for most of training camp after a reported mishap with a cryotherapy machine, had a two-hour conference call with an independent arbitrator Friday, ESPN reported. He argued that he should be allowed to keep the original piece of equipment because the newer helmet bothers his vision.

Brown has reportedly filed a grievance with the league.

In a cryptic Instagram post on Friday, Brown appeared to allude to the ongoing row, with a caption paraphrasing the 2002 movie "Paid in Full".

"I love the game; I love the hustle; young-in got doe he can leave the league but if I leave will the fans still gone love me man? #paidinfull," he wrote.

Brown has had a somewhat disruptive summer since being traded, missing a significant portion of training camp and practice in the offseason.

The Raiders acquired Brown in a trade with the Pittsburgh Steelers in the offseason.

:D

Captain Lemming
08-12-2019, 09:39 AM
Frostbiten feet....Paying baby momas....Dont want a safe helmet.

Dude has SERIOUS ISSUES with WEARING PROTECTION. :)

Steel Maniac
08-12-2019, 10:14 AM
Frostbiten feet....Paying baby momas....Dont want a safe helmet.

Dude has SERIOUS ISSUES with WEARING PROTECTION. :)

Boom!,,,,,,,,,,,,, shot of the year so far!!! :)

Steel Maniac
08-12-2019, 10:17 AM
ACB will cave; NFL has answered his crazy @ss with this response; basically, if he doesn't wear the helmet, he's in breach of common NFL policy and he'll be forced to return all that signing money (I believe 19 mil). This should quiet his crazy self down.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-responds-to-antonio-browns-reported-helmet-related-legal-threat-wr-would-potentially-be-in-breach-of-contract/

RuthlessBurgher
08-12-2019, 02:12 PM
Did Steelers know helmet mess was looming for Antonio Brown?

Posted by Mike Florio on August 12, 2019, 12:32 PM EDT

Raiders receiver Antonio Brown wants to wear the helmet he wore during nine seasons with the Steelers. His insistence on getting his way has become one of the strangest off-field stories in recent memory, if not ever.

Here’s an interesting question about the situation: Did the Steelers know that the helmet fight was coming?

Although Brown’s helmet isn’t one of the 11 models that as of this year are banned from use by NFL players, Brown’s helmet simply couldn’t be certified for use again because it’s now more than 10 years old. Last year, it wasn’t. It’s fair to wonder whether someone at some point within the Steelers organization became aware that 2018 was the last year that Brown could wear his helmet of choice.

Given that the Steelers knew Brown’s proclivities and eccentricities as well as anyone, it’s possible that they sensed the coming storm. Avoiding this potential distraction to their 2019 preseason preparations may have been one of the factors in the team’s decision to move on from Brown.

Yes, the perception is that Brown broke up with the Steelers. That he wanted out and got out. But the Steelers may have wanted him out, opting to let him think he was getting his way because the broader objective was just to get him away from the organization.

The next question becomes whether the Raiders knew anything about this potential helmet issue before trading for Brown. Although they can’t be surprised that he’s behaving in a manner similar to the way he behaved in Pittsburgh, whether they welcomed Brown to town knowing that the helmet situation could become a thing is interesting, to say the least.

Given the stunning nature of Brown’s stubborn refusal to bend to collectively-bargained rules, it’s safe to assume the Raiders didn’t realize this was coming. And while the Steelers, if they knew about the looming helmet issue, may not have expected such an explosion over it, they’re probably not surprised — and they’re probably very happy that he’s currently someone else’s headache.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/12/did-steelers-know-helmet-mess-was-looming-for-antonio-brown/

Disco1981
08-12-2019, 02:25 PM
Frostbiten feet....Paying baby momas....Dont want a safe helmet.

Dude has SERIOUS ISSUES with WEARING PROTECTION. :)

Hahahahaha...Captain this is great!

hawaiiansteel
08-12-2019, 03:04 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBvblcFXUAEcEou?format=jpg&name=medium

rpmpit
08-12-2019, 03:15 PM
I'm sure you've all heard Justin Gatlin's comments about his cryogenicly frostbitten feet. And how it took him "months" to recover.

Anyone else think the helmet thing is just a cover and he screwed up his feet so bad he will be out of commission for a long, long time??

hawaiiansteel
08-12-2019, 04:57 PM
Antonio Brown loses helmet grievance against NFL

August 12, 2019
by Grey Papke

Antonio Brown is out of luck if he intends to keep wearing his old helmet in NFL games

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, Brown has lost his grievance against the NFL and will not be permitted to wear his old helmet in games.

Brown’s preferred helmet was not made within the last ten years, and subsequently does not meet NFL standards. An arbitrator backed the league, and that can’t come as a huge surprise.

Brown threatened to retire if he wasn’t allowed to wear the helmet he likes, so the Oakland Raiders wide receiver will now have some decisions to make about his future.


https://larrybrownsports.com/football/antonio-brown-loses-helmet-grievance-against-nfl/508787

RuthlessBurgher
08-12-2019, 05:54 PM
Antonio Brown acknowledges arbitrator’s ruling
By Mike Florio | Aug 12, 2019, 4:56 PM EDT

The arbitrator has spoken, and so has Antonio Brown. It’s just not clear what Brown is saying.

“While I disagree with the arbitrator’s decision, I’m working on getting back to full health and looking forward to rejoining my teammates on the field,” Brown said on Instagram regarding the outcome of the grievance filed regarding the league’s refusal to allow him to wear his helmet of choice. “I’m excited about this season appreciate all the concerns about my feet.”

The “while I disagree” comment seems to be a precursor to a statement accepting the decision, but he never specifically and expressly does that. Acceptance is implied, but there’s a chance that Brown will explore other options before crying “uncle” on this issue.

Some have suggested that Brown’s lingering absence from the Raiders has more to do with his helmet preference than his feet, which reportedly were frozen in a cryotherapy chamber last month. His statement pins the absence squarely on the residual effects of the frostbite.

Until he actually returns, it’s fair to wonder whether something more is going on. Brown reportedly has threatened to retire over the helmet situation. And his legal team has leaked to the media that, if Brown suffers an injury wearing a different helmet, Brown will hold the league liable.

fordfixer
08-12-2019, 06:50 PM
his legal team has leaked to the media that, if Brown suffers an injury wearing a different helmet, Brown will hold the league liable.
Could one of you lawyer type clarify something for me? Wouldn’t AB have to prove that he wouldn’t have suffered the same injury with the old helmet? I believe that would be impossible to prove.

hawaiiansteel
08-12-2019, 07:03 PM
Could one of you lawyer type clarify something for me? Wouldn’t AB have to prove that he wouldn’t have suffered the same injury with the old helmet? I believe that would be impossible to prove.

yes he would and you're right, it would be virtually impossible to prove.

AB and his lawyers bluffed and the NFL called his bluff knowing AB didn't have a legal leg to stand on.

Disco1981
08-12-2019, 07:05 PM
Could one of you lawyer type clarify something for me? Wouldn’t AB have to prove that he wouldn’t have suffered the same injury with the old helmet? I believe that would be impossible to prove.

The lawyer type could come up with " He hasn't been right since Burfict scrambled his brain, with the helmet he wanted " ...And look how he has been since...

Evidence...

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That's supposed to be a pile...A pile of evidence

hawaiiansteel
08-12-2019, 07:26 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBjgkArWkAA-z0D?format=jpg&name=small

fordfixer
08-12-2019, 11:25 PM
https://brobible.com/sports/article/antonio-brown-helmet-rule-loophole/

This may not be over yet.

PFT has confirmed with a source close to the situation that the NFL, the Raiders and Brown’s representatives have been in contact, and that the NFL has approved Brown wearing the helmet model he wants — the Schutt AiR Advantage — if he finds a helmet that fits him and is less than 10 years old.

Schutt stopped making the AiR Advantage in 2011, and Brown’s helmet is more than 10 years old. But there are AiR Advantage helmets out there that are eight or nine years old, and if Brown can find one that fits him properly and is in good condition, the league will let him wear it, the source said.

Right now, the source said, Brown and his representatives have not found an AiR Advantage helmet that is less than 10 years old. But they’re hoping to. Anyone who has one may be able to get a pretty penny from Brown for it.

You may also want to read this.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/does-antonio-brown-have-cte/

AzStillers1989
08-13-2019, 12:17 AM
https://brobible.com/sports/article/antonio-brown-helmet-rule-loophole/

This may not be over yet.

PFT has confirmed with a source close to the situation that the NFL, the Raiders and Brown’s representatives have been in contact, and that the NFL has approved Brown wearing the helmet model he wants — the Schutt AiR Advantage — if he finds a helmet that fits him and is less than 10 years old.

Schutt stopped making the AiR Advantage in 2011, and Brown’s helmet is more than 10 years old. But there are AiR Advantage helmets out there that are eight or nine years old, and if Brown can find one that fits him properly and is in good condition, the league will let him wear it, the source said.

Right now, the source said, Brown and his representatives have not found an AiR Advantage helmet that is less than 10 years old. But they’re hoping to. Anyone who has one may be able to get a pretty penny from Brown for it.

You may also want to read this.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/does-antonio-brown-have-cte/

God damnit I knew I shouldn’t have donated mine to goodwill last month..

hawaiiansteel
08-17-2019, 02:44 AM
Drew Brees Weighs In With OG Advice Over Antonio Brown Helmet Saga

By Alexander Cole
August 16, 2019

Antonio Brown made headlines this past week thanks to his helmet grievance with the NFL which was eventually dismissed by an arbitrator. Brown will now have to wear the helmet the league gives him which will certainly take some adjusting. The ruling is good news for Oakland Raiders fans who just want the wide receiver to focus on football. Brown's peers have been asked to comment on the situation in an interview with Amie Just of The New Orleans Advocate, New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees had some advice for his fellow players.

“Worry about things you can control,” Brees said. “I didn’t really control that one, right? They were outlawing it. They scan your head and they do all this fancy stuff. And I figure if it’s if it’s going to help protect me a little bit more then that’s probably a good thing.”

Brees went on to talk about how he was considering changing helmets a few years ago, except he ended up deciding against it because he was being roasted by teammates, particularly Lance Moore.

“He’s like, ‘Bro, I cannot take you seriously wearing that helmet. I just can’t. I can’t even process the play you just said. I can’t look at you the same,’” Brees explained. “So I was like, ‘Agh, forget the stupid helmet. You know, go back to my old school one.’ Rocked it for four more years.”

Perhaps other NFL players should listen to Brees as he's one of the OGs in the league who always has some sound advice to dish out.


https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/drew-brees-weighs-in-with-og-advice-over-antonio-brown-helmet-saga-news.88454.html

Northern_Blitz
08-17-2019, 05:46 AM
Drew Brees Weighs In With OG Advice Over Antonio Brown Helmet Saga

By Alexander Cole
August 16, 2019

Antonio Brown made headlines this past week thanks to his helmet grievance with the NFL which was eventually dismissed by an arbitrator. Brown will now have to wear the helmet the league gives him which will certainly take some adjusting. The ruling is good news for Oakland Raiders fans who just want the wide receiver to focus on football. Brown's peers have been asked to comment on the situation in an interview with Amie Just of The New Orleans Advocate, New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees had some advice for his fellow players.

“Worry about things you can control,” Brees said. “I didn’t really control that one, right? They were outlawing it. They scan your head and they do all this fancy stuff. And I figure if it’s if it’s going to help protect me a little bit more then that’s probably a good thing.”

Brees went on to talk about how he was considering changing helmets a few years ago, except he ended up deciding against it because he was being roasted by teammates, particularly Lance Moore.

“He’s like, ‘Bro, I cannot take you seriously wearing that helmet. I just can’t. I can’t even process the play you just said. I can’t look at you the same,’” Brees explained. “So I was like, ‘Agh, forget the stupid helmet. You know, go back to my old school one.’ Rocked it for four more years.”

Perhaps other NFL players should listen to Brees as he's one of the OGs in the league who always has some sound advice to dish out.


https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/drew-brees-weighs-in-with-og-advice-over-antonio-brown-helmet-saga-news.88454.html

Drew Brees: Ownership Mentality. :p

Oh wow
08-17-2019, 02:09 PM
Brees kept the same helmet because a player on his team made fun of him?

fordfixer
08-17-2019, 02:13 PM
Brees kept the same helmet because a player on his team made fun of him?
Peer pressure sucks :D

Eich
08-17-2019, 02:13 PM
Brees kept the same helmet because a player on his team made fun of him?
I was thinking the same thing. A high profile QB caves to peer pressure? You’d think Brees would laugh at him and lead by example. Odd.

Oh wow
08-17-2019, 02:17 PM
I was thinking the same thing. A high profile QB caves to peer pressure? You’d think Brees would laugh at him and lead by example. Odd.

I guess he didn’t really want to change but the headline is misleading.

Not sure you an OG when you cave to peer pressure.

Captain Lemming
08-17-2019, 06:49 PM
Brees kept the same helmet because a player on his team made fun of him?

Got me confused too. How is this "OG" advice for Brown?

Dude acts like a teenager who caves to her friends opinions.

OG= "obliging girl"

Steel Maniac
08-17-2019, 08:19 PM
Drew Brees: Ownership Mentality. :p

Uh,,ACB hasn't learned; the helmet he was practicing with just failed the test. Probably an old helmet he was trying to sneek through and didn't work??


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-browns-new-helmet-reportedly-fails-nfl-testing-cannot-be-worn-in-2019/

SteelBucks
08-17-2019, 09:07 PM
Uh,,ACB hasn't learned; the helmet he was practicing with just failed the test. Probably an old helmet he was trying to sneek through and didn't work??


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-browns-new-helmet-reportedly-fails-nfl-testing-cannot-be-worn-in-2019/

So how many days will AB pout about this? I, for one, don’t care. The guy is literally poison to any organization.

hawaiiansteel
08-18-2019, 07:51 PM
Raiders GM: Time for AB to be 'all-in, or all-out'

NAPA, Calif. -- Antonio Brown left training camp again Sunday, and while Mike Mayock said it was over the receiver's anger from being denied use of his helmet, the Oakland Raiders' general manager also issued an ultimatum to Brown.

"You all know that AB is not here today, right?" Mayock told a group of beat reporters as practice began Sunday afternoon. "So, here's the bottom line -- he's upset about the helmet issue. We have supported that, we appreciate that. But at this point, we've pretty much exhausted all avenues of relief.

"So, from our perspective, it's time for him to be all-in, or all-out, OK? So, we're hoping he's back soon. We've got 89 guys busting their tails, we are really excited about where this franchise is going and we hope AB's going to be a big part of it, starting Week 1 against Denver. End of story. No questions, OK? Just wanted you guys to know where we were. Fair?"

"Here's the bottom line -- he's upset about the helmet issue. We have supported that, we appreciate that. But at this point, we've pretty much exhausted all avenues of relief. So, from our perspective, it's time for him to be all-in, or all-out, OK? So, we're hoping he's back soon."

It has been an eventful and somewhat exhausting first Raiders camp for Brown, acquired in a March trade for a third- and a fifth-round draft pick. Because after being a mainstay during the team's offseason program, Brown began camp on the non-football injury list because of frostbite on the soles of his feet after a cryotherapy mishap in France in early July.

He left camp for two weeks seeking therapy for the feet, which included laser treatments.

Brown has also been upset with the league not allowing him to wear his Schutt Air Advantage helmet, the only helmet he has worn in his NFL career, because it is older than 10 years and, thus, no longer certified.

He returned to Napa on Tuesday and traveled with the team to Arizona for Thursday night's exhibition and ran routes and caught passes in pregame warm-ups. The Raiders were excited about Brown's return and after he was a full participant in Saturday morning's walk-through, the team anticipated him practicing fully as soon as Sunday.

"I'm not talking about it anymore," Raiders coach Jon Gruden said of Brown's helmet after the Arizona game. "It was a legal, certified helmet, you know? Somebody approved it, or he wouldn't have worn it."

Brown later responded critically to a Pro Football Talk report about his helmet issue with a tweet Saturday, calling out the NFL for "super prejudice."

In 24 days in Napa, Brown took a hot-air balloon ride at dawn on report day, participated in one pre-practice walk-through on July 28, was limited before leaving early on July 30, took part in pregame warm-ups in Arizona on Thursday and was a full participant in Saturday's morning walk-through.

The Raiders were supposed to break camp Monday but ended a day early.

Asked earlier how much Brown changes the offense when he's on the field, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Olson said:

"Significantly. He's one of the top players in the game. Any time you're able to have that kind of talent on the field, he's going to draw the attention of defensive coordinators and players. Just changes really dramatically when you have those type of players."


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27415806/raiders-gm-ab-all-all-out

Steel Maniac
08-18-2019, 07:56 PM
Hahahahahahahahahaha...I thought it would take till week 10 but damn!!! Brown is tearing them down and it's not even week 1 yet!

ACB responds badly to ultimatums like this; I've got the popcorn ready because ACB is likely to do a long term disappearing act on them now. hahahahahha

Boy that 3rd and 5th pick is looking goooooooooood now , isn't it? hahahahahaha

hawaiiansteel
08-18-2019, 08:09 PM
Uh,,ACB hasn't learned; the helmet he was practicing with just failed the test. Probably an old helmet he was trying to sneek through and didn't work??


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/antonio-browns-new-helmet-reportedly-fails-nfl-testing-cannot-be-worn-in-2019/

AB

@AB84

NFL Niggas For Life ! Super Prejudice unbelievable!


https://twitter.com/AB84?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ct wterm%5E1162877715365498880&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fw ww.steelersuniverse.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php% 2F30835-NFL-Rejects-AB-s-Replacement-Helmet

Oviedo
08-18-2019, 09:17 PM
Hahahahahahahahahaha...I thought it would take till week 10 but damn!!! Brown is tearing them down and it's not even week 1 yet!

ACB responds badly to ultimatums like this; I've got the popcorn ready because ACB is likely to do a long term disappearing act on them now. hahahahahha

Boy that 3rd and 5th pick is looking goooooooooood now , isn't it? hahahahahaha
Remember when the front office was getting crucified for the return we got. Moreover, remember how some idiots tried to blame the whole issue with the former 84 on Tomlin?? It appears that Tomlin's leadership was exceptional keeping this idiot under control

Eddie Spaghetti
08-18-2019, 11:54 PM
is all of this still Bens fault?

hawaiiansteel
08-19-2019, 12:22 AM
Remember when the front office was getting crucified for the return we got. Moreover, remember how some idiots tried to blame the whole issue with the former 84 on Tomlin?? It appears that Tomlin's leadership was exceptional keeping this idiot under control

I'm not blaming Tomlin for AB being a dumba$$, but I don't think Tomlin allowing AB to stay in a posh hotel while all the other players stayed in dorms was an example of exceptional leadership.

Steel Maniac
08-19-2019, 02:02 AM
is all of this still Bens fault?

Boom..........

Sword
08-19-2019, 09:30 AM
Deference is Tomlin enabled Brown to get his way with crap most of the time until, Brown started escalating past borderline stuff...of course it was mostly Brown.... glad that clown is not our problem anymore and that I never bought his jersey.....

hawaiiansteel
08-19-2019, 05:16 PM
Dan Orlovsky

@danorlovsky7

AB and this helmet issue is like someone walking into a Verizon store with a flip phone complaining that Instagram won’t work on it.

Sir, it doesn’t work that way anymore, there’s been significant upgrades to the equipment. Either upgrade or stop complaining.

Aug 19, 2019


https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweete mbed%7Ctwterm%5E1163443944828690432&ref_url=http%3 A%2F%2Fwww.steelersuniverse.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthr ead.php%2F30835-NFL-Rejects-AB-s-Replacement-Helmet%2Fpage2

NorthCoast
08-19-2019, 05:38 PM
I'm not blaming Tomlin for AB being a dumba$$, but I don't think Tomlin allowing AB to stay in a posh hotel while all the other players stayed in dorms was an example of exceptional leadership.

Say what you want, Tomlin's 'leadership' kept AB on the roster and in the game for 9 yrs. Gruden & company can barely get him to show up for practice in their first season with him.

Oviedo
08-19-2019, 05:42 PM
Say what you want, Tomlin's 'leadership' kept AB on the roster and in the game for 9 yrs. Gruden & company can barely get him to show up for practice in their first season with him.
...and performing at a level no other WR in NFL history had. Like you said, the "great" Jon Gruden and company can't even keep him in camp.

hawaiiansteel
08-19-2019, 05:51 PM
Say what you want, Tomlin's 'leadership' kept AB on the roster and in the game for 9 yrs. Gruden & company can barely get him to show up for practice in their first season with him.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/05/74/8d0574e7eaab2bb0abacbfcef498f635.png

NorthCoast
08-19-2019, 08:30 PM
STEELERS
Sharpe says AB, Raiders won’t last: ‘He’s a bigger jerk than he was in Pittsburgh’
ByDKPS StaffPosted on August 19, 2019 Pittsburgh-Steelers-Antonio-Brown-yelling ANTONIO BROWN. – MATT SUNDAY / DKPS

Antonio Brown showed up to practice today for the Raiders. But Shannon Sharpe remains unconvinced that the tension between Brown and the Raiders is over.

In fact, he's completely certain this marriage is destined for disaster.



"Skip, this is supposed to be the honeymoon," Sharpe said during today's episode of Undisputed. "Look, you plan a wedding. They traded a third and a fifth to get AB, a big-time, big-play potential [receiver]. Had 'Hall of Fame' written all over him. And you give him three years, $50 million, $30 million fully guaranteed. This is the honeymoon!

"Skip, if I have a great wedding, I have 150 people at my wedding, an eight-tier cake and everybody's all happy and I get to the honeymoon and all we do is argue for two weeks, there's a good chance, Skip Bayless, we're probably not going to make it to that silver — that 25-year anniversary mark. There's a good chance that the Oakland Raiders and Antonio Brown, Skip, is not going to make it there three years. I'm afraid that's going to be the case."

To Sharpe's credit, this isn't a new line of thinking for him. He criticized Brown heavily for the infamous locker-room Facebook Live session in early 2017, and now, Sharpe says, Brown's actions with the Raiders only reinforce his previous thoughts.

"Everybody jumped on me, and I told you in early [2017] when he went Facebook Live, what'd I tell you they [the Steelers] should do, Skip?"

Skip: "You said 'Cut bait.'"

"Because I know!" Sharpe continued. "If he's acting like this, Skip, with very little money — at the time, for what he was producing, he was making little money. You give him money, Skip Bayless? Money does not change people. Money makes you more of what you already are. You see what he was when he was in Pittsburgh, and he was making $6 million? Now they give him $16, 17, 18 million. And he's a bigger jerk than what he was in Pittsburgh. And it's only going to get worse."

It gets worse. Sharpe says not only is Brown hurting the Raiders and giving them a serious case of buyer's remorse, he's hurting the NFL at large and his fellow players. The current collective-bargaining agreement (CBA) is set to expire after the 2020 NFL season, and Sharpe believes Brown's actions will negatively impact those negotiations.

"Dumb-dumb, AB, oh, all about him," Sharpe said. "Because you know what's going to happen? Let's just say for the sake of argument, they [the NFL] say, 'AB, you can play with that helmet.' AB gets injured on the football field. Now, tell me what you think's going to happen, Skip. He's going to try to sue the brakes off the NFL.


"So they're trying to protect him from himself, but he's making it all about himself. And therein lies the reason why, Skip Bayless, the CBA? The players are going to lose again. Because you got too many guys like AB that only will be willing to think about themself and not the greater good. Because the greater good is for the NFL to put the safest equipment on the field."


https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2019/08/19/shannon-sharpe-antonio-brown-jerk-raiders-pittsburgh-hh/

hawaiiansteel
08-19-2019, 08:44 PM
Adam Schefter

@AdamSchefter

Raiders’ WR Antonio Brown filed a new grievance against the NFL in an attempt to be able to wear the helmet he wants, per source.

Aug 19, 2019


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fordfixer
08-19-2019, 09:11 PM
https://www.facebook.com/undisputedonfs1/videos/477741909716844/UzpfSTE2Mjg0Njg3NzA3NDg0MTozNTU3NjQzNTc0MjYxODA0/

Steel Maniac
08-19-2019, 09:15 PM
Sharpe blamed Ben for the whole ACB trade fiasco. Now he dumping on ACB? Please...

Starlifter
08-19-2019, 10:12 PM
I watch the NFL for entertainment. This is about as good as it gets.........

Moonie
08-19-2019, 10:23 PM
Brown is a trail-blazer in helmet rights.

Oh wow
08-19-2019, 10:29 PM
I watch the NFL for entertainment. This is about as good as it gets.........

It’s more exciting than preseason games.

NorthCoast
08-19-2019, 10:36 PM
Brown wants to reset the helmet market.....:o

Eich
08-20-2019, 08:58 AM
Brown wants to reset the helmet market.....:o

He'll probably be as successful as Bell was in resetting his market.

Oviedo
08-20-2019, 09:44 AM
Brown is a trail-blazer in helmet rights.

Perhaps he will kneel for the National Anthem to protest violation of his rights and NFL injustice

Steel Maniac
08-20-2019, 09:56 AM
One of the best trades we ever made. Top 3 all time.

Northern_Blitz
08-20-2019, 10:01 AM
One of the best trades we ever made. Top 3 all time.

I still think it was a bad trade in that it made the team worse and not better.

I think we should have kept him if all we could have gotten out of him was the equivalent of a 2nd round pick. I also think he would be less of a **** show with us if we squashed his tantrum over the summer (and Tomlin and company have shown they could manage AB at a reasonable level for the most part).

I also think that we needed to be all in on not screwing up our cap situation at the end of Ben's career.

But, this is all from the outside and I don't really know how bad he was in the locker room.

I mostly think AB's helmet stuff is a diversion from his feet, but his recent antics make me think that the trade (while still a net negative) wasn't as bad as I originally thought.

Eich
08-20-2019, 10:53 AM
I still think it was a bad trade in that it made the team worse and not better.

I think we should have kept him if all we could have gotten out of him was the equivalent of a 2nd round pick. I also think he would be less of a **** show with us if we squashed his tantrum over the summer (and Tomlin and company have shown they could manage AB at a reasonable level for the most part).

I also think that we needed to be all in on not screwing up our cap situation at the end of Ben's career.

But, this is all from the outside and I don't really know how bad he was in the locker room.

I mostly think AB's helmet stuff is a diversion from his feet, but his recent antics make me think that the trade (while still a net negative) wasn't as bad as I originally thought.

Disagree, completely. Once he was willing to continue trashing Ben publicly and not practice before a playoff game (and it's been reported that he may have intentionally run wrong routes to punish the team), it would have been next to impossible to repair that relationship. AB has far too big an ego for that to have ever been ironed out. He wore out his welcome.

I'm very thankful he's gone. We are better without that cancer on the team, even if that cancer is an incredibly talented athlete with HOF credentials.

pittpete
08-20-2019, 10:54 AM
Sharpe blamed Ben for the whole ACB trade fiasco. Now he dumping on ACB? Please...

I think Shannon Sharpe actually posts on this forum..
Can you guess what his name might be? LMAO:eek:

RuthlessBurgher
08-20-2019, 11:17 AM
I still think it was a bad trade in that it made the team worse and not better.

Even if we somehow were able to disregard any potential salary cap implications, would you be willing to trade away Diontae Johnson and Zach Gentry to bring back Antonio Brown today?

I sure wouldn't. Also consider that the extra draft ammo that Colbert got in the AB trade made him feel more willing to step outside his comfort zone and trade up to draft Devin Bush in the top 10. If we still had AB, we might not have Bush.

Sure, AB's got all the talent in the world, but I think our TEAM is better today with him and his frozen feet and old leather helmet in Napa Valley.

RuthlessBurgher
08-20-2019, 11:19 AM
I think Shannon Sharpe actually posts on this forum..
Can you guess what his name might be? LMAO:eek:

I can't believe that Shannon Sharpe has his own TV show, and with Skip Bayless of all people. I can't think of two people I would l enjoy watching less than that particular pair. Well, now that I think about it, maybe they could add Mark Madden and Colin Cowherd to create the Mount Rushmore of Awful Sports Talk.

ikestops85
08-20-2019, 11:49 AM
I can't believe that Shannon Sharpe has his own TV show, and with Skip Bayless of all people. I can't think of two people I would l enjoy watching less than that particular pair. Well, now that I think about it, maybe they could add Mark Madden and Colin Cowherd to create the Mount Rushmore of Awful Sports Talk.

Throw in Florio and we would have 5 of the worst all-time sportscasters.

Captain Lemming
08-20-2019, 12:08 PM
Brown is a trail-blazer in helmet rights.

NHA
National Helmets Association? :)

Captain Lemming
08-20-2019, 12:12 PM
NHA
National Helmets Association? :)

Motorcycle Ben has NEVER supported Helmets.....thus the deep seated political clash between these two.

Captain Lemming
08-20-2019, 12:16 PM
Motorcycle Ben has NEVER supported Helmets.....thus the deep seated political clash between these two.


One thing they agree on:

Rules and laws must not infringe on the: "The Right to Head Harm"

Disco1981
08-20-2019, 12:28 PM
I can't believe that Shannon Sharpe has his own TV show, and with Skip Bayless of all people. I can't think of two people I would l enjoy watching less than that particular pair. Well, now that I think about it, maybe they could add Mark Madden and Colin Cowherd to create the Mount Rushmore of Awful Sports Talk.

Now, That's just silly...You know Madden would take up the whole mountain

Disco1981
08-20-2019, 12:30 PM
Throw in Florio and we would have 5 of the worst all-time sportscasters.

If you watch the Pirates...Joe Block! The absolute worst I have ever seen...That, coupled with the season they are having is unwatchable

Disco1981
08-20-2019, 12:34 PM
I still think it was a bad trade in that it made the team worse and not better.

I think we should have kept him if all we could have gotten out of him was the equivalent of a 2nd round pick. I also think he would be less of a **** show with us if we squashed his tantrum over the summer (and Tomlin and company have shown they could manage AB at a reasonable level for the most part).

I also think that we needed to be all in on not screwing up our cap situation at the end of Ben's career.

But, this is all from the outside and I don't really know how bad he was in the locker room.

I mostly think AB's helmet stuff is a diversion from his feet, but his recent antics make me think that the trade (while still a net negative) wasn't as bad as I originally thought.

Oh no...No way! Great player but lockeroom cancer that had fun it's course here...Insert Raiders here as Chestio continues his downward spiral

RuthlessBurgher
08-20-2019, 12:36 PM
Now, That's just silly...You know Madden would take up the whole mountain

Not enough granite in all of South Dakota, eh? :p

Steel Maniac
08-20-2019, 12:43 PM
Disagree, completely. Once he was willing to continue trashing Ben publicly and not practice before a playoff game (and it's been reported that he may have intentionally run wrong routes to punish the team), it would have been next to impossible to repair that relationship. AB has far too big an ego for that to have ever been ironed out. He wore out his welcome.

I'm very thankful he's gone. We are better without that cancer on the team, even if that cancer is an incredibly talented athlete with HOF credentials.

We are better without him; addition by subtraction.

The team's focus now is totally on functioning as one unit now. Which makes the team better as a whole.

Northern_Blitz
08-20-2019, 12:45 PM
Even if we somehow were able to disregard any potential salary cap implications, would you be willing to trade away Diontae Johnson and Zach Gentry to bring back Antonio Brown today?

I sure wouldn't. Also consider that the extra draft ammo that Colbert got in the AB trade made him feel more willing to step outside his comfort zone and trade up to draft Devin Bush in the top 10. If we still had AB, we might not have Bush.

Sure, AB's got all the talent in the world, but I think our TEAM is better today with him and his frozen feet and old leather helmet in Napa Valley.

I would probably make that trade because I think Brown is so much better than Johnson and Gentry probably won't end up being much. Plus, Brown is already taking up > 10% of our salary cap this year and I'd rather have him playing to do that. I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine that Brown (with frozen feet and unsafe helmet) will outperform Johnson and Gentry this year and as long as his contract with the Steelers was.



I think that trading for them now isn't the same as denying Brown's tantrum laden trade request. I think the fact that he "won" his dispute with the Steelers is probably part of the reason he's acting out again now. He's been shown that it works.

I think that the trade to Bush still happens because of Colbert's comments on not doing enough to replace Shazier the year before. They know that not having impact players on D killed us last year (where we actually had good yards / game stats, but virtually no turnovers).

You asked about the hypothetical with Bush, but let's think about other hypotheticals too. The $20M cap hit for a guy who isn't playing on your team is the big reason why the trade is a loss IMO. Having AB playing (for about the same cap hit) means that we wouldn't have had to sign Montcrief (2 years $9M). Maybe we combine Montcrief's cap hit with Barron's (2 years $12M). Would that have let us sign a bigger name at ILB to push Vance off the field? Or maybe a better CB than Nelson? Or maybe even a couple of other minor pieces (back up TE / S / etc)?

The cap hit makes up play this season with one hand behind out backs. And it's in a year where we were supposed to have more cap room than other teams because of the Bell holdout.

Ultimately, I don't know. We'll see after this year. As an arm chair GM, I would have taken the rumored Bills deal but not the Oakland deal. But if I actually had to make the decisions...I don't know.

Northern_Blitz
08-20-2019, 12:47 PM
We are better without him; addition by subtraction.

The team's focus now is totally on functioning as one unit now. Which makes the team better as a whole.

We'll see. I think we'll do better than last year because I think we won't have terrible luck re: kicking & turnovers (I expect officiating to still suck).

But, I don't think we'll do better using so much cap space for AB to play for the Raiders than we would have using the same space for him to play here.

hawaiiansteel
08-20-2019, 11:48 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECc6FnHWwAEsrIV?format=jpg&name=small

RuthlessBurgher
08-21-2019, 12:19 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECc6FnHWwAEsrIV?format=jpg&name=small

I do not like divas and scams.

I do not like them, Hawaiian Man.

Oh wow
08-21-2019, 06:35 AM
I heard AB is in a new helmet at practice while waiting on the next hearing on Friday.

Someone suggested this was a distraction from his feet. I think they may have been right.

Will be interesting to see how he starts the season.

Eich
08-21-2019, 08:59 AM
I heard AB is in a new helmet at practice while waiting on the next hearing on Friday.

Someone suggested this was a distraction from his feet. I think they may have been right.

Will be interesting to see how he starts the season.

If so, why the need to distract from his feet? He was injured and the Raiders backed him by saying that it was something that happened TO him and not his fault. So, if he's injured, why hide the injury with stupid helmet drama, making himself look like more of an idiot and pissing off his coach and owner?

RuthlessBurgher
08-21-2019, 10:08 AM
Speaking of the Raiders owner, he should also be banned from wearing his helmet of hair. That's WAY more than 10 years old and can no longer be certified by anyone. Hard to believe this goober is Al Davis' kid.

https://i.imgflip.com/2onnmi.jpg

Oh wow
08-21-2019, 03:12 PM
If so, why the need to distract from his feet? He was injured and the Raiders backed him by saying that it was something that happened TO him and not his fault. So, if he's injured, why hide the injury with stupid helmet drama, making himself look like more of an idiot and pissing off his coach and owner?

I thought the same thing. My theory is it’s his fault his feet are like this and instead of getting a million and one questions about his feet he distracted people.

Plus the feet are his bread and butter. Do you really want to admit your feet may never be the same and it could impact the rest of your career?

Eich
08-21-2019, 03:18 PM
I thought the same thing. My theory is it’s his fault his feet are like this and instead of getting a million and one questions about his feet he distracted people.

Plus the feet are his bread and butter. Do you really want to admit your feet may never be the same and it could impact the rest of your career?

I guess that's possible and he's hoping that the helmet distraction will give him enough time to figure out if he still has feet. Still, an odd tactic. But, he's an odd dude.

hawaiiansteel
08-21-2019, 06:54 PM
Bob Glauber Retweeted Newsday Sports

Le'Veon Bell on Antonio Brown: "I understand where he’s coming from, but at the same time, it’s a rule, so you have to change the helmet ... Him fighting for it, him not showing up for practice, I don’t really agree with that.”


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