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Buzz
04-26-2019, 11:41 AM
to move up to, say, the middle of round 2? Our first pick in round 3 plus what?

calmkiller
04-26-2019, 11:57 AM
Depending on what chart you use, considering the Steelers don't even use it, our picks are worth the following.

66 = 260
83 = 175
122 = 50
141 = 35.5
175 = 21.4
192 = 14.6
207 = 8.6
219 = 3.8

Total = 568.90

Pick 48 is worth 420, so the easy answer is both 3rds.

SteelBucks
04-26-2019, 12:03 PM
Well if someone falls I guess it’s an option. Personally I’d stay put and keep both 3rd round picks.

Mick'sTeam
04-26-2019, 12:13 PM
I'm all about quality over quantity. I'd have no problem taking our last 3 picks (2nd 6th, 3rd 6th, & 7th) to move up to the 5th round if possible. We'd end up with Bush, two 3rds, one 4th, two 5ths and our first 6th (which is at the top of that round). We'd still walk away with 7 picks, essentially in the first 5 rounds because of where that first 6th round pick falls.

Steel Maniac
04-26-2019, 12:15 PM
Well if someone falls I guess it’s an option. Personally I’d stay put and keep both 3rd round picks.

We gotta keep our two 3rd round picks unless we trade down a few spots to pick up additional picks.

Buzz
04-26-2019, 12:16 PM
Well if someone falls I guess it’s an option. Personally I’d stay put and keep both 3rd round picks.

Yeah, there should be some good talent left after round 2. I wouldn't want to give up both 3rds for one mid-2nd round pick.

Northern_Blitz
04-26-2019, 12:26 PM
I'm all about quality over quantity. I'd have no problem taking our last 3 picks (2nd 6th, 3rd 6th, & 7th) to move up to the 5th round if possible. We'd end up with Bush, two 3rds, one 4th, two 5ths and our first 6th (which is at the top of that round). We'd still walk away with 7 picks, essentially in the first 5 rounds because of where that first 6th round pick falls.

I like quality too.

But, my guess is that the difference in quality between mid-2nd and early-3rd isn't all that big.

If the difference in perceived talent is similar, I'd rather have more lottery tickets.

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2019, 02:28 PM
to move up to, say, the middle of round 2? Our first pick in round 3 plus what?

Our next pick is the 2nd pick in the third round (66 overall), and then the 19th pick in the third round (83 overall).

If we combined both of our round 3 picks, we could move up about 20 spots or so into the middle of round 2 (around pick 46, which would be the 12th pick to happen this evening).

If someone like CB Byron Murphy (who we likely would have strongly considered if we stayed at #20 last night) were still on the board at that point, I think that would certainly be a debate worth having.

Coming out of the first two days of the draft with both a top notch ILB in Devin Bush and a top notch CB in Byron Murphy would be a solid haul, and then we'd still have 6 more picks on Saturday to add depth elsewhere.

But I expect Murphy to come off the board within the first two picks tonight, so it is likely a moot point. I wouldn't expect that big of a jump up the draft board tonight.

Other smaller jumps up from 3.66 could be:
Moving up about 7 spots to 2.59 by trading 4.122
Moving up about 5 spots to 2.61 by trading 5.141
Moving up about 4 spots to 2.62 by trading 6.175
Moving up about 3 spots to 2.63 by trading 6.192
Moving up about 2 spots to 2.64 by trading 6.207
Moving up about 1 spot to 3.65 by trading 7.219

Another option could be trading our early 3rd round and mid 3rd round picks to the Chargers for their late 2nd round and late 3rd round picks.

In this case, our early 3rd rounder would move up 6 picks into the latter portion of round 2 but the other 3rd rounder would move back 8 picks in the latter portion of round 3.

3.66 + 3.83 = 435 points
2.60 + 3.91 = 436 points

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2019, 02:36 PM
I'm all about quality over quantity. I'd have no problem taking our last 3 picks (2nd 6th, 3rd 6th, & 7th) to move up to the 5th round if possible. We'd end up with Bush, two 3rds, one 4th, two 5ths and our first 6th (which is at the top of that round). We'd still walk away with 7 picks, essentially in the first 5 rounds because of where that first 6th round pick falls.

6.192 (15.6) + 6.207 (9.6) + 7.219 (4.8) = 30 points according to the trade value chart. That's the equivalent of pick 5.156, which is the middle of round 5. Denver currently owns that pick, and we have traded with them once already yesterday.

If we made such a trade, we'd have these picks left:

Oakland's pick in the early 3rd (3.66)
Our own pick in the mid 3rd (3.83)
Our own pick in the mid 4th (4.122)
Oakland's pick in the early 5th (5.141)
Denver's pick in the mid 5th (5.156)
Oakland's pick in the early 6th (6.175)

Mick'sTeam
04-26-2019, 02:49 PM
6.192 (15.6) + 6.207 (9.6) + 7.219 (4.8) = 30 points according to the trade value chart. That's the equivalent of pick 5.156, which is the middle of round 5. Denver currently owns that pick, and we have traded with them once already yesterday.

If we made such a trade, we'd have these picks left:

Oakland's pick in the early 3rd (3.66)
Our own pick in the mid 3rd (3.83)
Our own pick in the mid 4th (4.122)
Oakland's pick in the early 5th (5.141)
Denver's pick in the mid 5th (5.156)
Oakland's pick in the early 6th (6.175)

I'd take it!

pittpete
04-26-2019, 03:07 PM
Well if someone falls I guess it’s an option. Personally I’d stay put and keep both 3rd round picks.

I agree with this

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2019, 03:44 PM
If someone like CB Byron Murphy (who we likely would have strongly considered if we stayed at #20 last night) were still on the board at that point, I think that would certainly be a debate worth having.

Coming out of the first two days of the draft with both a top notch ILB in Devin Bush and a top notch CB in Byron Murphy would be a solid haul, and then we'd still have 6 more picks on Saturday to add depth elsewhere.

But I expect Murphy to come off the board within the first two picks tonight, so it is likely a moot point. I wouldn't expect that big of a jump up the draft board tonight.

Byron Murphy could be the first pick tonight

Posted by Darin Gantt on April 26, 2019, 11:33 AM EDT

Apparently it’s easier to get “firm confirmation” on the second day of the draft than the first.

According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Washington cornerback Byron Murphy “is the heavy favorite” to be the 33rd overall pick tonight, if Arizona keeps the pick.

Of course, many things can change in the next seven hours and change, and the Cardinals might be enticed to not utilize the first pick in the second round.

But if they do, adding a talented cover player would be an interesting wrinkle.

An offseason of disgruntlement (Is that a word? If it’s not it should be) from veteran Patrick Peterson has fueled trade rumors, and those won’t go away if they’re spending a premium pick on a corner.

They also signed cornerbacks Robert Alford and Tramaine Brock this offseason, creating depth in the secondary.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/26/byron-murphy-could-be-the-first-pick-tonight/



Cardinals try to create a market for a Byron Murphy trade

Posted by Mike Florio on April 26, 2019, 1:04 PM EDT

Teams who trade down in a draft aren’t trading a pick, they’re trading a player. And the Cardinals are trying to trade cornerback Byron Murphy.

Per a league source, that’s precisely what they’re trying to do. They leaked “firm confirmation” of their plans at No. 33 to ESPN in order to spark a market for Murphy.

Perhaps they will pick Murphy if they use the pick. But they’re being suddenly chatty about their plans for the first pick of a given draft night because they’d prefer to trade him.

It’s a smart play, but it doesn’t change the fact that the Cardinals have a separate goal in mind. Whether they achieve it remains to be seen.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/26/cardinals-try-to-create-a-market-for-a-byron-murphy-trade/

SteelerMaine83
04-26-2019, 07:09 PM
Let's go all in. We have a Ben window of three years, and the players available between 33-45 were all on someone's board as a 1st rounder. An early #2 this year gives us a guy that contribute now while learning, and play a big role in year 2. We still need secondary help, and Haden is going into his contract year. A trade of 3 (66--worth 260), next year's #2 (let's assume back of the round--worth 270) and a #6 as a sweetener gets us in the late 30's. Let's say Tampa at 39--get the team's highest secondary player on the board (unless a killer OLB is too good to pass up). We'll still have a #3 (83) this year and any places we lack depth after the draft can be filled with the vets who become training camp cap casualties. Wouldn't you love to have Bush and a top CB as experienced year two players next year

SteelerMaine83
04-26-2019, 07:17 PM
Oh, and Sean Davis in a contract year as well. Need a CB or a S to learn and grow, start in 2020.