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Buzz
05-17-2018, 11:33 PM
...regressed more than any other in the NFL in 2017.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/05/steelers-red-zone-defense-had-worst-regression-in-2017/

Turning that around will need to be a point of emphasis in 2018.

Slapstick
05-18-2018, 05:47 AM
I saw that as well.

And, yes....

SanAntonioSteelerFan
05-19-2018, 04:49 PM
Funny (to me anyway, ha ha) that it's the red zone that suffered the most when it was the deep backs
more than any other position that were our Achilles Heel (I thought).

Unless maybe a big part of our RZ decline happened after Shazier got injured?

Buzz
05-19-2018, 05:11 PM
Funny (to me anyway, ha ha) that it's the red zone that suffered the most when it was the deep backs
more than any other position that were our Achilles Heel (I thought).

Unless maybe a big part of our RZ decline happened after Shazier got injured?

According to the article, the decline was especially bad after losing #50. We allowed opponents to score TDs on 17 out their 20 red zone trips in December and January.

Steel Maniac
05-19-2018, 06:05 PM
According to the article, the decline was especially bad after losing #50. We allowed opponents to score TDs on 17 out their 20 red zone trips in December and January.

Wow...

And what did we add to try and fix that?

RuthlessBurgher
05-19-2018, 07:27 PM
Wow...

And what did we add to try and fix that?

Jon Bostic, Morgan Burnett, Terrell Edmunds, Marcus Allen, Josh Frazier, improved play in year 2 from T.J. Watt, a healthier Stephon Tuitt....

Buzz
05-19-2018, 07:52 PM
Jon Bostic, Morgan Burnett, Terrell Edmunds, Marcus Allen, Josh Frazier, improved play in year 2 from T.J. Watt, a healthier Stephon Tuitt....Sounds good. However, it's unlikely that we get through the season without losing a player or two from our D due to injury, so my concern is with depth, especially at LB.

Slapstick
05-19-2018, 09:47 PM
I think that the Steelers may believe that they have enough bodies at ILB...it will just be a matter of competition in camp and the preseason...there is depth, but it is so far untested...

Buzz
05-19-2018, 10:05 PM
I think that the Steelers may believe that they have enough bodies at ILB...it will just be a matter of competition in camp and the preseason...there is depth, but it is so far untested...

Bodies and depth are two different things. I'm sure we'll have enough bodies at LB to fill out the roster at the start of the season. But I don't care to see us repeat what happened last year -- having to bring bottom-of-the-barrel talent off the street to fill a starting role.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
05-20-2018, 02:46 PM
Last year we had the unfortunate circumstance of losing a pro-bowl player and his backup within just a few plays. Without the ability to see Matakevich as the starter at the end of the year and playoffs, we are no further in knowing what he is than we were heading into 2017.

The only two things we do know about the depth at ILB is that 1) Sean Spence is not an option and 2) The Steelers do not believe that LJ Fort is a viable option otherwise he would have been starting ahead of Spence.

Buzz
05-20-2018, 04:17 PM
Last year we had the unfortunate circumstance of losing a pro-bowl player and his backup within just a few plays. Without the ability to see Matakevich as the starter at the end of the year and playoffs, we are no further in knowing what he is than we were heading into 2017.

The only two things we do know about the depth at ILB is that 1) Sean Spence is not an option and 2) The Steelers do not believe that LJ Fort is a viable option otherwise he would have been starting ahead of Spence.

Exactly. Based on what we know, if Bostic goes down to injury, we may well be screwed.

I'm not thrilled about the depth at OLB, either. Maybe the rookie FA from Toledo will turn into something.

Northern_Blitz
05-21-2018, 12:01 PM
The only two things we do know about the depth at ILB is that 1) Sean Spence is not an option and 2) The Steelers do not believe that LJ Fort is a viable option otherwise he would have been starting ahead of Spence.

I'm generally of the opinion that the Steelers FO doesn't make stupid decisions. But, I do not understand how they could put Fort on the roster and then start Spence when Shazier went down.

feltdizz
05-21-2018, 12:45 PM
I'm generally of the opinion that the Steelers FO doesn't make stupid decisions. But, I do not understand how they could put Fort on the roster and then start Spence when Shazier went down.

I guess he didn't know the whole playbook

I like what I saw from Fort in limited action too.

We also didn't use Blount when we had him, didn't use Keion Lewis and cut JH a few times. We don't always get it right.

Buzz
05-21-2018, 02:06 PM
I guess he didn't know the whole playbook




Really? By December?

If that's the case, it doesn't reflect well on the player ... and probably not on the coaching staff, either.

feltdizz
05-21-2018, 02:31 PM
Really? By December?

If that's the case, it doesn't reflect well on the player ... and probably not on the coaching staff, either.

or he just isn’t who they thought he was...

pretty sure part part of the reason Antonio Brown didn’t dress a few games his first year was because he didn’t know the route tree as well as Sanders.

Its hard to believe Antonio Brown had 1 catch for -1 hard in the SB vs GB... and this was the same game Emmanuel Sanders went down with an injury.

Fort has been with 6 teams so far. Mostly as a LB/FB. I think he is the one of those guys who is a camp body but hasn’t put it together yet. Pretty sure it was his first year on an actual roster.

Maybe he is our next JH and breaks out this year?

Northern_Blitz
05-21-2018, 05:22 PM
or he just isn’t who they thought he was...

pretty sure part part of the reason Antonio Brown didn’t dress a few games his first year was because he didn’t know the route tree as well as Sanders.

Its hard to believe Antonio Brown had 1 catch for -1 hard in the SB vs GB... and this was the same game Emmanuel Sanders went down with an injury.

Fort has been with 6 teams so far. Mostly as a LB/FB. I think he is the one of those guys who is a camp body but hasn’t put it together yet. Pretty sure it was his first year on an actual roster.

Maybe he is our next JH and breaks out this year?

I hope that you're right.

But Brown was vs Sanders (who is a good receiver).

Blount was vs. Bell (who is awesome).

Even Harrison was probably vs. Haggans (?) who was at least an average NFL player.

Fort couldn't beat out Spence even though Spence hadn't been playing football for like 10 weeks (I assume that he was at least in training camp). I think that's basically an admission that his ceiling is probably special teamer.