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flippy
04-30-2018, 06:05 PM
1. We're loading up on big Ss for sub package D. We've now got 4 Ss that are 6' - 6'2" and from 200-220lbs. Almost all these guys look to me to be about in the neighborhood of Shazier or Farrior's size. Seems like an emphasis on speed and tackling when we're out of our base D which is the majority of the time.

I'm intrigued by the Edmunds and Allen picks.

2. Washington feels like the safe pick in the draft. I'm excited about seeing AB, Juju, and this kid on the field together. Washington is a shorter and thicker version of Juju. If this kid is as good as I think he can be, adding in LB and Vance (assuming his end of year play continues) and this offense is set up to be unstoppable. For real this year.

3. I liked seeing us swing for the fences in round 3. The likelihood of a 3rd round pick panning out is slim. And we went all in on 2 positions where great players are nearly impossible to find in QB and LT. Rudolf or Chuks could both be big busts, but they also have huge upside and I like that we went for it. These both feel like Mike Tomlin gut instinct picks where he goes for it on 4th and 2 when almost no one else would. Rudolf has great accuracy on his deep passes and Chuks has size and athleticism that you can't teach. Again both have a lot of work to do, but there's something to work with in each. I think it's better than going for a mediocre LB personally. And it says the Steelers must have some trust in the guys they have or trust in some of the FA options to be added.

4. Living in NC, I love watching Samuels. I think he's going to be way better than most people expect. But the reality is, I think he's a hedge against LB long term. This guy is our 3rd down back of the future just in case. Maybe he can handle more downs, but it's pretty easy to find a 1st and 2nd down back if needed in the future. Those guys are a dime a dozen. He might not make the transition to the NFL being the tweener, but the kid just finds the endzone and I think he's a baller.

5. I really knew nothing about Frazier, but he seems to be a big body with limited mileage and his coach must have pushed for him. We must have some special inside info on the kid. Otherwise, I really don't understand why we didn't just take him as a UDFA.

6. Overall, my biggest disappointment is we didn't address our pass rush in any way for the future. I know we got a lot of sacks this last year, but I don't feel like we have the horses to generate consistent pressure without scheming for it. No one on our D Line scares me. None of our LBs scare me. We're going to be in sub packages more often than not. We're going to need to generate pressure with 4 guys consistently. Do we have a grouping of 4 that's intimidating? I'd argue our top 4 guys might be the least intimidating group in the league and that could be our downfall and reason we can't get over the hump. We might just have to score a lot more.

Donnieboy
04-30-2018, 06:22 PM
Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge. :tt2

Iron City Inc.
04-30-2018, 07:01 PM
We are in sub packages a lot. 70% in 17 if I'm not mistaken. Frazier we had some meeting with or dinner with so he was well known to the staff since his dl coach is now our dl coach.

Flasteel
04-30-2018, 07:52 PM
I think you summed up things up quite nicely Flip. Well done!

I wonder if this shift to using more hybrid safeties would have been in play had one of the LBs fallen, but I am actually kind of excited about the development. I keep hearing polar-opposite "scouting reports" on Edmund's ability to tackle, but he appears to be a very physical and explosive presence, by all accounts. Allen is obviously a tackling machine, who seems plenty big and is fast enough. Pair them with Davis and Burnett and you've got a very versatile, athletic, big, and fast group. The speed on defense and ability to cover (especially TE) is increased and we just have to hope those guys can get in there and bang it from time to time and take care of their gap. If the defense could be more stout up front - especially where Hargreaves and Dupree are concerned - I think they have a chance to be far better against the run, than what was showed last year after Shazier went down.

Sugar
04-30-2018, 08:40 PM
Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge. :tt2

I'm puzzled why you would say that Ben only has one more year left when he has said that he's interested in playing three? I'm trying to make sense of what you're even saying here.

Prowler
04-30-2018, 08:43 PM
Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge. :tt2

I was thinking the same thing. Don't get wrong, I love Ben but he has slowed down a lot and I could easily see the Steelers trade him after 2018, if Rudolph is the real deal.

Steelwolf
04-30-2018, 08:47 PM
Uhh no way they trade Ben.....

Sugar
04-30-2018, 08:49 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Don't get wrong, I love Ben but he has slowed down a lot and I could easily see the Steelers trade him after 2018, if Rudolph is the real deal.

Wait, what?? Ben ended the year on FIRE last season and his year overall was comparable to what he always does. The Pittsburgh Steelers are not trading Big Ben, that's just silly talk. Let's not get stupid just because the team got a value pick that happens to be a QB.

NorthCoast
04-30-2018, 08:51 PM
I'd like to share your optimism flippy but... the Steelers only cracked the 30 pts/gm target in 30% of their games last year. And it took half the year for that to happen the first time. Was really hoping the Steelers stayed all defense until the late rounds. Obviously they didn't feel the value was there when they picked, which says that maybe defensively this class wasn't all that to begin with? Could not afford to repeat a draft like 2012 on defense...

Steel Maniac
04-30-2018, 09:15 PM
I think you summed up things up quite nicely Flip. Well done!

I wonder if this shift to using more hybrid safeties would have been in play had one of the LBs fallen, but I am actually kind of excited about the development. I keep hearing polar-opposite "scouting reports" on Edmund's ability to tackle, but he appears to be a very physical and explosive presence, by all accounts. Allen is obviously a tackling machine, who seems plenty big and is fast enough. Pair them with Davis and Burnett and you've got a very versatile, athletic, big, and fast group. The speed on defense and ability to cover (especially TE) is increased and we just have to hope those guys can get in there and bang it from time to time and take care of their gap. If the defense could be more stout up front - especially where Hargreaves and Dupree are concerned - I think they have a chance to be far better against the run, than what was showed last year after Shazier went down.

But how does this help us stop the run?? jags broke us by staying with it and finally establishing it.

If a team can run on you, the back seven will be caught out of position on play-action and caught with the wrong personnel too.

This draft was a disappointment. Where are the tough guys now on defense? The middle of the defense is weak ( linebackers) .

Buzz
04-30-2018, 09:23 PM
But how does this help us stop the run?? jags broke us by staying with it and finally establishing it.

If a team can run on you, the back seven will be caught out of position on play-action and caught with the wrong personnel too.

This draft was a disappointment. Where are the tough guys now on defense? The middle of the defense is weak ( linebackers) .

Perhaps the Steelers will do some post-draft FA shopping.

Prowler
04-30-2018, 09:24 PM
Wait, what?? Ben ended the year on FIRE last season and his year overall was comparable to what he always does. The Pittsburgh Steelers are not trading Big Ben, that's just silly talk. Let's not get stupid just because the team got a value pick that happens to be a QB.

I agree that today it would be silly too talk about trading Ben. Next season might be different, however. Remember when Maddox got hurt? We ended up with a mobile gifted passer and a 15-1 record. Can you honestly say that Ben moves around any better than a statue these days? That reason right there is why Rudolph would be an upgrade. Now if he can only prove he is an accurate passer like Ben this might become a reality sooner than you think.

Slapstick
04-30-2018, 10:55 PM
I believe that Bostic will be a dramatic improvement over Spence...

pittpete
04-30-2018, 11:05 PM
Definetely agree about Bostic.
Steelers also have some $$$ to sign a backer after June 1st cuts.

Northern_Blitz
05-01-2018, 05:28 AM
Ben has one year left. And the haul they get back in return from another team for him next year is going going to be huge. :tt2

I think we learned that the team wants to win now and later. So, I think a trade next year is in play (but I don't think it will happen).

Steel Maniac
05-01-2018, 11:08 AM
From this draft, I see no urgency in winning in 2018. Colbert & Tomlin are very content with just winning 10 plus games and being eliminated.

Slapstick
05-01-2018, 11:14 AM
Focusing on one year is how bad franchises draft...

phillyesq
05-01-2018, 11:22 AM
I believe that Bostic will be a dramatic improvement over Spence...

When he is on the field, yes, he will be. The question, of course, is how often he will be on the field.

I think the Steelers drafted so many safeties, in part, because they couldn't get one of the ILBs that they liked. While the safeties will make for some interesting nickel / dime options, this team is still vulnerable if it faces a team like Jacksonville that forces them into the base. Maybe Frazier can become a run stuffing presence (or at least an improvement over Walton as a backup NT), but I worry that the Steelers did not do enough here. They had pre-draft interest in a lot of NT/DT types, and only added a 7th round project.

RuthlessBurgher
05-01-2018, 11:36 AM
When he is on the field, yes, he will be. The question, of course, is how often he will be on the field.

I think the Steelers drafted so many safeties, in part, because they couldn't get one of the ILBs that they liked. While the safeties will make for some interesting nickel / dime options, this team is still vulnerable if it faces a team like Jacksonville that forces them into the base. Maybe Frazier can become a run stuffing presence (or at least an improvement over Walton as a backup NT), but I worry that the Steelers did not do enough here. They had pre-draft interest in a lot of NT/DT types, and only added a 7th round project.

I trust that Karl Dunbar gave us some quality intel on Frazier, vouching for the kid after being his position coach at Alabama for the last 2 seasons. He fell to the 7th because he wasn't a starter on his college team (playing behind the likes of 13th overall pick De'Ron Payne and 4th round pick Da'Shawn Hand) and he offers little-to-nothing as a pass rusher, which is what most teams look for when drafting DT's. But we drafted him solely as a situational run-stuffing short-yardage NT specialist (the opposite of what we have in Javon Hargrave) to replace what we were hoping to get out of Big Dan McCullers. Now Frazier and McCullers can compete for that one specialized role behind Hargrave. It appears that we are set at DE with Alualu and Walton behind Heyward and Tuitt.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 11:44 AM
Wait, what?? Ben ended the year on FIRE last season and his year overall was comparable to what he always does. The Pittsburgh Steelers are not trading Big Ben, that's just silly talk. Let's not get stupid just because the team got a value pick that happens to be a QB.

these folks are crazy.

there is no way we trade Ben after next year.

Sugar
05-01-2018, 11:46 AM
I agree that today it would be silly too talk about trading Ben. Next season might be different, however. Remember when Maddox got hurt? We ended up with a mobile gifted passer and a 15-1 record. Can you honestly say that Ben moves around any better than a statue these days? That reason right there is why Rudolph would be an upgrade. Now if he can only prove he is an accurate passer like Ben this might become a reality sooner than you think.

Wow, this assumes MUCH. Thanks to Pouncey, DeCastro, et al, Ben doesn't have to be as mobile as he used to be. He's still a Pro Bowl quality QB with experience in every situation. Let's not ride him out the door for some kid that hasn't even had a training camp yet.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 11:51 AM
I agree that today it would be silly too talk about trading Ben. Next season might be different, however. Remember when Maddox got hurt? We ended up with a mobile gifted passer and a 15-1 record. Can you honestly say that Ben moves around any better than a statue these days? That reason right there is why Rudolph would be an upgrade. Now if he can only prove he is an accurate passer like Ben this might become a reality sooner than you think.

What the hell are you talking about? Ben can still move around and we replaced an arena league QB (Maddox) with a first round pick. Watch this clip to see how well Ben can still move around.

and Rudolph hasn't completed one NFL pass yet, lets not crown him until he shows us what he can do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo12UEY5-dw

Steelhere10
05-01-2018, 12:37 PM
Focusing on one year is how bad franchises draft...

Exactly, the same people was crying when we took a WR in the second. BTW that looks like a pick that help us win then and later!!!

Northern_Blitz
05-01-2018, 01:08 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Ben can still move around and we replaced an arena league QB (Maddox) with a first round pick. Watch this clip to see how well Ben can still move around.

and Rudolph hasn't completed one NFL pass yet, lets not crown him until he shows us what he can do.



Ben is still good. This is why a trade could make sense (I don't think I'd do it myself).

I personally would have preferred to kick as much salary as possible down the road and load up for 2-3 more good chances at the SB with Ben. But, that means that you leave a wasteland of a team after he retires. Throughout my lifetime (i.e. the Cowher and Tomlin eras), the Rooneys have always valued being consistently competitive over juicing the short term gain at the cost of long term pain. I think that means that they might consider trading Ben so that we have less chance of being a tire fire after he retires.

I think that the argument for doing it looks something like this:

Next year is our "last best" year to win the SB with Ben, Bell, and Brown all still playing.

The year after next, Bell goes and Ben + Brown are a year older. If the team thinks that Rudolph can be an above average starter and they don't want to extend Ben, it makes some sense to manage the asset and trade him away. That at least gives Rudolph some time with a very strong WR corps.

If we could get a mid-round first pick for trading Ben (like SF did when trading Montana at the end of his career), that could help build up the rest of the team so that they could still be competitive with a downgrade at QB. Then we can help fix the D (and / or get a high calibre RB) with two 1st round picks next year. What if we ended up trading for a pick to get next year's equivalent of R. Smith and our own pick @ 32 gave us a solid RB or OLB?

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 01:09 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Don't get wrong, I love Ben but he has slowed down a lot and I could easily see the Steelers trade him after 2018, if Rudolph is the real deal.

Ben is going to want an extension. With what they now have in Rudolph, no way the Steelers give Ben an extension at 36-37. If you trade Ben you get an enormous haul back. Those that don't believe the Steelers part ways with Ben at some point forget that it happened to the likes of Peyton Manning and Brett Favre.

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 01:10 PM
I know some of you do not understand this and as a result cannot accept this, but.............Ben is on the clock.

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 01:12 PM
Wait, what?? Ben ended the year on FIRE last season and his year overall was comparable to what he always does. The Pittsburgh Steelers are not trading Big Ben, that's just silly talk. Let's not get stupid just because the team got a value pick that happens to be a QB.

Not now they aren't. But I would not be surprised if this time next year he is not a Pittsburgh Steeler.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 01:12 PM
Exactly, the same people was crying when we took a WR in the second. BTW that looks like a pick that help us win then and later!!!

The JuJu pick is totally different. We were thin at WR and it was obvious in the AFCCG. We also had no idea if Bryant would come back and be a beast ..he wasn't.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 01:17 PM
Ben is going to want an extension. With what they now have in Rudolph, no way the Steelers give Ben an extension at 36-37. If you trade Ben you get an enormous haul back. Those that don't believe the Steelers part ways with Ben at some point forget that it happened to the likes of Peyton Manning and Brett Favre.

Ben would probably retire before accepting a trade.

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 01:17 PM
these folks are crazy.

there is no way we trade Ben after next year.

No way? Ok so let's say once again, the Steelers fall short of winning another Super Bowl this next season, Mason Rudolph impresses to the point the Steelers are convinced that he can be an above average QB, and several teams approach the Steelers next off season with a return for Ben that is staggering.

At that time Ben has one year left on his contract. You get a tremendous haul back for him. One year later you get nothing.

Oh and also not only do the Steelers get several high picks in return for Ben, but they also have a huge amount of cap space as a result of it.

No way huh? Ok we will see........

Sugar
05-01-2018, 01:19 PM
Ben is going to want an extension. With what they now have in Rudolph, no way the Steelers give Ben an extension at 36-37. If you trade Ben you get an enormous haul back. Those that don't believe the Steelers part ways with Ben at some point forget that it happened to the likes of Peyton Manning and Brett Favre.

That's a cute theory and all, but we don't even know what we have in Rudolph. Let's slow the roll to somehow trade away our Pro Bowl QB (who is tight with the coaches) in favor of a kid that the team took as a value pick in the 3rd.

Even Ben himself wouldn't have been as successful coming in to this version of the Steelers as there is no top-ranked Defense to balance the scales.

Shawn
05-01-2018, 01:19 PM
1. We're loading up on big Ss for sub package D. We've now got 4 Ss that are 6' - 6'2" and from 200-220lbs. Almost all these guys look to me to be about in the neighborhood of Shazier or Farrior's size. Seems like an emphasis on speed and tackling when we're out of our base D which is the majority of the time.

I'm intrigued by the Edmunds and Allen picks.

2. Washington feels like the safe pick in the draft. I'm excited about seeing AB, Juju, and this kid on the field together. Washington is a shorter and thicker version of Juju. If this kid is as good as I think he can be, adding in LB and Vance (assuming his end of year play continues) and this offense is set up to be unstoppable. For real this year.

3. I liked seeing us swing for the fences in round 3. The likelihood of a 3rd round pick panning out is slim. And we went all in on 2 positions where great players are nearly impossible to find in QB and LT. Rudolf or Chuks could both be big busts, but they also have huge upside and I like that we went for it. These both feel like Mike Tomlin gut instinct picks where he goes for it on 4th and 2 when almost no one else would. Rudolf has great accuracy on his deep passes and Chuks has size and athleticism that you can't teach. Again both have a lot of work to do, but there's something to work with in each. I think it's better than going for a mediocre LB personally. And it says the Steelers must have some trust in the guys they have or trust in some of the FA options to be added.

4. Living in NC, I love watching Samuels. I think he's going to be way better than most people expect. But the reality is, I think he's a hedge against LB long term. This guy is our 3rd down back of the future just in case. Maybe he can handle more downs, but it's pretty easy to find a 1st and 2nd down back if needed in the future. Those guys are a dime a dozen. He might not make the transition to the NFL being the tweener, but the kid just finds the endzone and I think he's a baller.

5. I really knew nothing about Frazier, but he seems to be a big body with limited mileage and his coach must have pushed for him. We must have some special inside info on the kid. Otherwise, I really don't understand why we didn't just take him as a UDFA.

6. Overall, my biggest disappointment is we didn't address our pass rush in any way for the future. I know we got a lot of sacks this last year, but I don't feel like we have the horses to generate consistent pressure without scheming for it. No one on our D Line scares me. None of our LBs scare me. We're going to be in sub packages more often than not. We're going to need to generate pressure with 4 guys consistently. Do we have a grouping of 4 that's intimidating? I'd argue our top 4 guys might be the least intimidating group in the league and that could be our downfall and reason we can't get over the hump. We might just have to score a lot more.

I like Samuels quite a bit but for a different reason. He plays so many positions that it gives the Steelers MUCH roster flexibility. The Steelers may be looking to keep 4 QBs this year and Samuels allows them to do that. He can be WR5, RB3, TE3,FB2. That right there is why he was drafted. And that frees up some other spots for some developmental talent.

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 01:22 PM
Ben would probably retire before accepting a trade.

I do not think he will. he's said he wants to play another 3 years. Any team that trades for him will surely give him a huge extension...with a lot of guaranteed money. And he'll get that weather he plays more than two years or not. More than he will get the next two seasons under contract with the Steelers.

Steelhere10
05-01-2018, 01:23 PM
The JuJu pick is totally different. We were thin at WR and it was obvious in the AFCCG. We also had no idea if Bryant would come back and be a beast ..he wasn't.

I don't think it was, because the same ones was crying about secondary help because they were listening to the media about having the most talented wr group, assuming Bryant was off the dope. And they were crying that it was a luxury pick.

Steelhere10
05-01-2018, 01:26 PM
And remember the last game that they remember was getting throttled by the Pat's.

Northern_Blitz
05-01-2018, 01:30 PM
Ben would probably retire before accepting a trade.

He might, but it would leave a bunch of money on the table. Montana didn't retire.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 01:40 PM
I don't think it was, because the same ones was crying about secondary help because they were listening to the media about having the most talented wr group, assuming Bryant was off the dope. And they were crying that it was a luxury pick.

true, you are right.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 01:41 PM
He might, but it would leave a bunch of money on the table. Montana didn't retire.

Ben isn't Montana.

I don't know, I could see Ben calling it a day and going home to his family.

RuthlessBurgher
05-01-2018, 02:12 PM
Ben is going to want an extension. With what they now have in Rudolph, no way the Steelers give Ben an extension at 36-37. If you trade Ben you get an enormous haul back. Those that don't believe the Steelers part ways with Ben at some point forget that it happened to the likes of Peyton Manning and Brett Favre.

We'll get an enormous haul back? Green Bay got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets for Favre. Indy didn't get anything at all for Peyton. And those moves were made because the Packers and Colts had Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck waiting in the wings...quite a few steps up from Mason Rudolph, who was passed over by every team in the NFL, including the Steelers, though two rounds of the draft this past weekend.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 02:22 PM
We'll get an enormous haul back? Green Bay got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets for Favre. Indy didn't get anything at all for Peyton. And those moves were made because the Packers and Colts had Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck waiting in the wings...quite a few steps up from Mason Rudolph, who was passed over by every team in the NFL, including the Steelers, though two rounds of the draft this past weekend.

YUUUUUGE!

wait what? conditional 4th rounder? nothing?

yeah, we may want to rethink this whole Ben trade thing.

Shawn
05-01-2018, 02:31 PM
That's a cute theory and all, but we don't even know what we have in Rudolph. Let's slow the roll to somehow trade away our Pro Bowl QB (who is tight with the coaches) in favor of a kid that the team took as a value pick in the 3rd.

Even Ben himself wouldn't have been as successful coming in to this version of the Steelers as there is no top-ranked Defense to balance the scales. Boom!!!....

Shawn
05-01-2018, 02:34 PM
YUUUUUGE!

wait what? conditional 4th rounder? nothing?

yeah, we may want to rethink this whole Ben trade thing. No way...listen I made this trade with the Miami Dolphins on Madden career mode. They gave me two first rounders and a second. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Northern_Blitz
05-01-2018, 05:03 PM
We'll get an enormous haul back? Green Bay got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets for Favre. Indy didn't get anything at all for Peyton. And those moves were made because the Packers and Colts had Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck waiting in the wings...quite a few steps up from Mason Rudolph, who was passed over by every team in the NFL, including the Steelers, though two rounds of the draft this past weekend.

For what it's worth, I think that the conditional 4th would be low. Manning was coming off a significant injury to his spine that caused him to miss an entire year and his ability to play in the future was questions. Farve retired 5 months BEFORE being traded to the Jets (and then a year later after playing a season with the Jets...and then a year and a half after that playing with the Vikings).

I think that Ben would be closer to the Montana trade than either of those guys.

That being said, I think that the most likely scenario is that Rudolph sits for most (maybe all) of his first contract with the Steelers.

RuthlessBurgher
05-01-2018, 05:48 PM
By Josh Alper
May 1, 2018, 4:46 PM EDT
Ben Roethlisberger: If Mason Rudolph’s the guy, it won’t be for a while

After being drafted by the Steelers in the third round, rookie quarterback Mason Rudolph said that he doesn’t think it is Ben Roethlisberger‘s job to help prepare him for life in the NFL.

Roethlisberger sees things a bit differently. Roethlisberger said “it’s a good thing” to play a teaching role with younger players, although he stressed that one of the rookie’s lessons will be about patience because Roethlisberger isn’t planning on giving way anytime soon.

“Well, that’s fine. He can [take over someday],” Roethlisberger said to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “But I plan on playing for three to five more years, depending on how the line goes and staying healthy, if I can stay healthy. If he’s going to be their guy, that’s great, but in my perfect world it’s not going to be for a while.”

The only time Roethlisberger didn’t play last year was when he rested in Week 17, but he missed time due to injuries in the previous two seasons. That underscores the need for a capable backup in Pittsburgh, which is a role the Steelers will be hoping Rudolph can fill in the immediate future while questions about what’s next remain on the back burner.

Steel Maniac
05-01-2018, 05:55 PM
Well, I love Ben but he can't come out starting the first 5 games like he's 90 years old. He needs to start out sharp. So whatever he needs to do that then he needs to start doing it. Other than that, he's good with me.

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 05:56 PM
By Josh Alper
May 1, 2018, 4:46 PM EDT
Ben Roethlisberger: If Mason Rudolph’s the guy, it won’t be for a while

After being drafted by the Steelers in the third round, rookie quarterback Mason Rudolph said that he doesn’t think it is Ben Roethlisberger‘s job to help prepare him for life in the NFL.

Roethlisberger sees things a bit differently. Roethlisberger said “it’s a good thing” to play a teaching role with younger players, although he stressed that one of the rookie’s lessons will be about patience because Roethlisberger isn’t planning on giving way anytime soon.

“Well, that’s fine. He can [take over someday],” Roethlisberger said to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “But I plan on playing for three to five more years, depending on how the line goes and staying healthy, if I can stay healthy. If he’s going to be their guy, that’s great, but in my perfect world it’s not going to be for a while.”

The only time Roethlisberger didn’t play last year was when he rested in Week 17, but he missed time due to injuries in the previous two seasons. That underscores the need for a capable backup in Pittsburgh, which is a role the Steelers will be hoping Rudolph can fill in the immediate future while questions about what’s next remain on the back burner.

Well there it is there. If he said it we can take it to the bank. Of course this is the same guy who was talking about retiring last year. Funny how things can dramatically change in just the course of a year. Wonder what will be said or how things look this time next year?? Stay tuned......

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 06:05 PM
I would sure hope that what I am saying about Ben can be taken for more than it being about Ben vs Mason Rudolph. Because what I am saying is way more than that. Like having a chance at a Nick Bosa type in 2019 and a Chase Young type in 2020....oh and also about 23 million dollars more cap space. Big picture.

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 06:11 PM
Kind of ironic how folks wanted a RB early to send a message to Bell and it probably feels like Ben is being sent a message with the Rudolph pick.

Seriously tho, I think Ben plays 3 more years. Dobbs will have a chance to unseat Landry and Rudolph has to prove he isn’t a wasted pick.

We are following the Pats model of drafting QB’s earlier in hopes we luck up and find a gem.

Donnieboy
05-01-2018, 06:15 PM
....Seriously tho, I think Ben plays 3 more years.....

I agree....but not more than 2 for the Steelers. He will not get an extension and if this team waits till he plays this contract out they get nothing in return. If they trade him next year....can you say Nick Bosa?...or the likes.

NorthCoast
05-01-2018, 06:30 PM
I believe that Bostic will be a dramatic improvement over Spence...That's a very low bar for Bostic.

NorthCoast
05-01-2018, 06:47 PM
Favre and Manning were mere shells of their former greatness when they were let go. If Roethlisberger displays the same, I don't think the Steelers would have much concern with ending things then. Look what is going on in NE. The BB TB tiff is becoming bigger than the team (or at least the media is making it out to be). I don't see the Steelers allowing it to get to that point.
Remember, they had no problem parting ways with the greatest Steeler safety to ever play the game. When it's your time, it's your time.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
05-01-2018, 06:50 PM
That's a very low bar for Bostic.

Re: Spence - do I remember wrong that coaches really liked him then he had a horrible injury a couple of years back and what we saw was basically his first action in a long time, and he'd basically been on the couch for a year before that?

In other words, could there be a lot more we'll get out of him this coming year than we saw last year?

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 06:58 PM
Favre and Manning were mere shells of their former greatness when they were let go. If Roethlisberger displays the same, I don't think the Steelers would have much concern with ending things then. Look what is going on in NE. The BB TB tiff is becoming bigger than the team (or at least the media is making it out to be). I don't see the Steelers allowing it to get to that point.
Remember, they had no problem parting ways with the greatest Steeler safety to ever play the game. When it's your time, it's your time.

Do you see Ben becoming a shell of his former self in the next 3 years?

Barring a major injury i just dont see it. He still has an arm and he has amazing chemistry with the best WR in the game.

Money could be a factor but I doubt it.

NorthCoast
05-01-2018, 07:06 PM
Do you see Ben becoming a shell of his former self in the next 3 years?

Barring a major injury i just dont see it. He still has an arm and he has amazing chemistry with the best WR in the game.

Money could be a factor but I doubt it.Unfortunately as you know, in the NFL it can happen very quickly. Only need to remember the end for the great Jack Lambert...

NorthCoast
05-01-2018, 07:07 PM
Re: Spence - do I remember wrong that coaches really liked him then he had a horrible injury a couple of years back and what we saw was basically his first action in a long time, and he'd basically been on the couch for a year before that?

In other words, could there be a lot more we'll get out of him this coming year than we saw last year?I assume he was sitting on a couch for a reason...

Sugar
05-01-2018, 07:26 PM
Do you see Ben becoming a shell of his former self in the next 3 years?

Barring a major injury i just dont see it. He still has an arm and he has amazing chemistry with the best WR in the game.

Money could be a factor but I doubt it.

Not to mention that he's also tight with the OC and the HC.

Who knows, maybe a team will pony up something sweet (players, draft picks) to take Rudolph off our hands? It's worked for the Patriots...

RuthlessBurgher
05-01-2018, 07:37 PM
I agree....but not more than 2 for the Steelers. He will not get an extension and if this team waits till he plays this contract out they get nothing in return. If they trade him next year....can you say Nick Bosa?...or the likes.

Nick Bosa will likely be a top overall pick like his brother. You think some team is going to part with a top 5 pick for a year or two of play from a QB in his late 30's?

RuthlessBurgher
05-01-2018, 07:46 PM
Well there it is there. If he said it we can take it to the bank. Of course this is the same guy who was talking about retiring last year. Funny how things can dramatically change in just the course of a year. Wonder what will be said or how things look this time next year?? Stay tuned......

Did you ever work somewhere with an immediate supervisor you just couldn't stand? Even if you loved the job at one time, dealing with that putz everyday ultimately sucked the life out of you, making you want to quit virtually every day? Well, Todd Haley was Ben's Lumburgh. Now that the Rooneys brought in the two Bobs as consultants to remove Todd and promote Ben's buddy Randy, going to work is fun again like it was way back when he got totwork for his other buddy Bruce.

Steel Maniac
05-01-2018, 08:07 PM
Good point; because he definitely sounds rejuvenated.

NorthCoast
05-01-2018, 08:12 PM
Did you ever work somewhere with an immediate supervisor you just couldn't stand? Even if you loved the job at one time, dealing with that putz everyday ultimately sucked the life out of you, making you want to quit virtually every day? Well, Todd Haley was Ben's Lumburgh. Now that the Rooneys brought in the two Bobs as consultants to remove Todd and promote Ben's buddy Randy, going to work is fun again like it was way back when he got totwork for his other buddy Bruce.It will only be fun if it results in wins. If not, the chorus of OC/QB being too buddy buddy will begin to sing again ala BA...

feltdizz
05-01-2018, 09:51 PM
It will only be fun if it results in wins. If not, the chorus of OC/QB being too buddy buddy will begin to sing again ala BA...

Definitely, but I think we won in spite of Haley. He was good at designing plays and getting Ben to play smarter and take less hits but his sub packages and in game decisions were terrible.

The whole “I’m retiring” was his way of telling Tomlin and company to get rid of Haley.

Captain Lemming
05-01-2018, 10:13 PM
Do you see Ben becoming a shell of his former self in the next 3 years?

2013 Peyton was 1st team all pro and has CAREER HIGHS of over 5400 yards and 55 touchdowns.
2015 he was a shell of himself and retired after the season.

It CAN happen quite quickly.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 06:16 AM
Neck surgery can definitely make you a shell of yourself.

Shawn
05-02-2018, 06:47 AM
This is something I suggested earlier this year. Draft a QB high enough and watch Ben all of a sudden find his desire to play until he’s 50.

Shawn
05-02-2018, 06:52 AM
Nick Bosa will likely be a top overall pick like his brother. You think some team is going to part with a top 5 pick for a year or two of play from a QB in his late 30's? lol if it works on Madden it should work in real life. I seriously think some people grossly overestimate trade value.

Captain Lemming
05-02-2018, 07:27 AM
lol if it works on Madden it should work in real life. I seriously think some people grossly overestimate trade value.

True. Teams with top 5 picks are generally not "one old QB away" from winning a SB. :)

Steel Maniac
05-02-2018, 08:25 AM
True. Teams with top 5 picks are generally not "one old QB away" from winning a SB. :)

That’s just wishful thinking.

Looking forward to seeing the chemistry of Washington and Ben.

Sword
05-02-2018, 08:54 AM
Uhh no way they trade Ben.....
agreed..no way he will retire a Steeler.....my guess based on what he said in 4 years

Sword
05-02-2018, 08:55 AM
This is something I suggested earlier this year. Draft a QB high enough and watch Ben all of a sudden find his desire to play until he’s 50.
MR will re-light is game play and motivation I think...

Shawn
05-02-2018, 09:14 AM
MR will re-light is game play and motivation I think... Oh yes, I wish I could find my post where I said it. Ben is all about the drama and ego. You bring in a young pup to nip at the heels of the old dog...he will bite. Especially if MR shows promise...you'll have to rip the job out of Ben's hands. He won't retire unless forced.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 09:16 AM
This is something I suggested earlier this year. Draft a QB high enough and watch Ben all of a sudden find his desire to play until he’s 50.

Didn't you say that about Mahomes last year? I think someone pointed out how Ben was upset and "may retire" after the Pats game and as soon as it was reported that we brought Mahomes in for a visit Ben found a phone and let everyone know he was coming back.

I think we extend Ben for another 3 years in a few months which would probably clear up some cap space this year.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
05-02-2018, 09:28 AM
I like Samuels quite a bit but for a different reason. He plays so many positions that it gives the Steelers MUCH roster flexibility. The Steelers may be looking to keep 4 QBs this year and Samuels allows them to do that. He can be WR5, RB3, TE3,FB2. That right there is why he was drafted. And that frees up some other spots for some developmental talent.

In that case keep him away from LB. He will want to be paid like a WR5+RB3+TE3+FB2.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 09:29 AM
In that case keep him away from LB. He will want to be paid like a WR5+RB3+TE3+FB2.

you realize all those positions add up to about 1.2 mill a year.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
05-02-2018, 09:44 AM
you realize all those positions add up to about 1.2 mill a year.

If that...but would rather have him at a quarter of that.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 09:48 AM
If that...but would rather have him at a quarter of that.

definitely.. he is on a rookie contract so it doesn't matter what he wants...

I was joking about his next contract. If he plays well and asked for those 3 positions money he would still be making peanuts.

Shawn
05-02-2018, 10:12 AM
Didn't you say that about Mahomes last year? I think someone pointed out how Ben was upset and "may retire" after the Pats game and as soon as it was reported that we brought Mahomes in for a visit Ben found a phone and let everyone know he was coming back.

I think we extend Ben for another 3 years in a few months which would probably clear up some cap space this year. That's the first time I said it...yep. I also mentioned it as being a bonus for drafting a QB this year before the draft.

Shawn
05-02-2018, 10:13 AM
In that case keep him away from LB. He will want to be paid like a WR5+RB3+TE3+FB2. lol...indeed.

Slapstick
05-02-2018, 10:42 AM
What does this draft tell us about the Steelers?

It tells us that their draft strategy is to build through the draft over the long term....

Northern_Blitz
05-02-2018, 10:58 AM
I agree....but not more than 2 for the Steelers. He will not get an extension and if this team waits till he plays this contract out they get nothing in return. If they trade him next year....can you say Nick Bosa?...or the likes.

I feel like letting him play out his contract and go somewhere else is the worst case scenario. If he plays in another uniform, I'd like to get a return via trade.

Slapstick
05-02-2018, 11:03 AM
I think that if he plays out his contract, he will end up retiring, a la Polamalu. He may end up harboring the same hard feelings as Polamau as well...

I mean, if he plays out his contract, is he really going to want to start over elsewhere? I suppose it is possible, at age 38...

Steel Maniac
05-02-2018, 11:29 AM
I feel like letting him play out his contract and go somewhere else is the worst case scenario. If he plays in another uniform, I'd like to get a return via trade.

We always want a return for our assets.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 11:39 AM
I think that if he plays out his contract, he will end up retiring, a la Polamalu. He may end up harboring the same hard feelings as Polamau as well...

I mean, if he plays out his contract, is he really going to want to start over elsewhere? I suppose it is possible, at age 38...

if he is still playing at a high level I doubt we trade him. He still gives us the best chance to win and unless Rudolph is the second coming why would you take that chance?

Slapstick
05-02-2018, 12:03 PM
if he is still playing at a high level I doubt we trade him. He still gives us the best chance to win and unless Rudolph is the second coming why would you take that chance?

I agree. I don't think a trade is happening. I think he will play out his contract...

Shawn
05-02-2018, 12:57 PM
No way Ben is being traded. Just silly talk.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 01:24 PM
No way Ben is being traded. Just silly talk.

I know they want Rudolph to be THE ONE but they need to slow down.

I want Rudolph to prove me wrong but at the same time, just feels like folks are bored and thinking of anything radical to keep the boards alive.

Lets see the kid play and then have these discussions. I was really big on Landry Jones when we drafted him and dude came out and looked like trash when I went to a preseason game his first year. The NFL is so fast, those 15 yard outs that turn into 60 yard TD's in college can easily turn into 60 yard TD's for the other team.

Donnieboy
05-02-2018, 01:30 PM
No way Ben is being traded. Just silly talk.

So you are ok with extending his contract another 3 years at $30 million each?...for ages 38, 39, and 40? And are you are still doing this if he falls short (championship), another year?

Let's be very clear here. Ben Roethlisberger is not Tom Brady. What Tom Brady is doing is not the norm. The exception. The norm is more like Peyton Manning breaking down physically as well as performance wise.

Donnieboy
05-02-2018, 01:33 PM
I know they want Rudolph to be THE ONE but they need to slow down.

I want Rudolph to prove me wrong but at the same time, just feels like folks are bored and thinking of anything radical to keep the boards alive.

Lets see the kid play and then have these discussions. I was really big on Landry Jones when we drafted him and dude came out and looked like trash when I went to a preseason game his first year. The NFL is so fast, those 15 yard outs that turn into 60 yard TD's in college can easily turn into 60 yard TD's for the other team.

Not the case with me. I am a huge Ben Roethlisberger fan. I want more than anything for him to win another super bowl next year. I have said all along that Mason Rudolph takes over after he has sat 1 to 2 years. I am not in favor of extending Ben's contract. I look at the big picture not the immediate one.

Steel Maniac
05-02-2018, 01:39 PM
Not the case with me. I am a huge Ben Roethlisberger fan. I want more than anything for him to win another super bowl next year. I have said all along that Mason Rudolph takes over after he has sat 1 to 2 years. I am not in favor of extending Ben's contract. I look at the big picture not the immediate one.

I want Ben to get another one too but look at what we did in the draft; did any of that move us closer to winning this year? I have my doubts. Rudolph is the future; meaning two years down the line.

Donnieboy
05-02-2018, 01:41 PM
I want Ben to get another one too but look at what we did in the draft; did any of that move us closer to winning this year? I have my doubts. Rudolph is the future; meaning two years down the line.

I have voiced this same thought regarding whether or not this team is now over the hump. Compared to the teams ahead of the Steelers last season, not so sure that is the case. I hope I am wrong.

Sugar
05-02-2018, 01:44 PM
So you are ok with extending his contract another 3 years at $30 million each?...for ages 38, 39, and 40? And are you are still doing this if he falls short (championship), another year?

I'm completely cool with that. He could be playing at a high level and the team could still fall short. Heck, that's the norm.

Donnieboy
05-02-2018, 01:44 PM
Getting back to this original post, "What Does This Draft Tell Us About the Steelers?"....

Steelers GM Kevin Colbert said Rudolph was considered by Pittsburgh in "the group of the top quarterbacks"

...it tells us the FO and coaching staff feel as if they have gotten one of the best QB's in this draft. And elite/franchise QB.

And like their gonna sit on that for 3-5 years. SMH!

:tt2

Donnieboy
05-02-2018, 01:49 PM
I'm completely cool with that. He could be playing at a high level and the team could still fall short. Heck, that's the norm.

Part of the falling short will be in the fact that they will continue to be cap strapped. What ever level he plays at it is certain that there will be some kind of decline 38, 39, and 40 years of age. That's a norm.

Shawn
05-02-2018, 03:13 PM
So you are ok with extending his contract another 3 years at $30 million each?...for ages 38, 39, and 40? And are you are still doing this if he falls short (championship), another year?

Let's be very clear here. Ben Roethlisberger is not Tom Brady. What Tom Brady is doing is not the norm. The exception. The norm is more like Peyton Manning breaking down physically as well as performance wise. Absolutely.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 03:14 PM
Getting back to this original post, "What Does This Draft Tell Us About the Steelers?"....

Steelers GM Kevin Colbert said Rudolph was considered by Pittsburgh in "the group of the top quarterbacks"

...it tells us the FO and coaching staff feel as if they have gotten one of the best QB's in this draft. And elite/franchise QB.

And like their gonna sit on that for 3-5 years. SMH!

:tt2
If Ben is still playing at a high level? Yes, they will sit Rudolph for 3 years

Northern_Blitz
05-02-2018, 03:56 PM
Getting back to this original post, "What Does This Draft Tell Us About the Steelers?"....

Steelers GM Kevin Colbert said Rudolph was considered by Pittsburgh in "the group of the top quarterbacks"

...it tells us the FO and coaching staff feel as if they have gotten one of the best QB's in this draft. And elite/franchise QB.

And like their gonna sit on that for 3-5 years. SMH!

:tt2

I think that this draft also shows that they're OK lying in public.

Bryant did get traded.

I don't think that they viewed Rudolph as one of the best QBs in the draft if they didn't take him in the 1st or 2nd.

But, both comments make sense because they were made in support of guys that were on the roster when the comments were made.

Sugar
05-02-2018, 04:43 PM
Part of the falling short will be in the fact that they will continue to be cap strapped. What ever level he plays at it is certain that there will be some kind of decline 38, 39, and 40 years of age. That's a norm.

Even with some decline, Ben is an experienced franchise QB that will still be worth the price. Fact is, they aren't parting ways with him aside from some kind of injury or an unforeseen complete drop off a cliff in production. The good news is that maybe some team will be willing to give us something good for the young guy holding the clipboard.

Buzz
05-02-2018, 04:49 PM
I think that this draft also shows that they're OK lying in public.

Bryant did get traded.

I don't think that they viewed Rudolph as one of the best QBs in the draft if they didn't take him in the 1st or 2nd.

But, both comments make sense because they were made in support of guys that were on the roster when the comments were made.

Smartest post in this whole thread.

Slapstick
05-02-2018, 05:24 PM
I think that this draft also shows that they're OK lying in public.

Bryant did get traded.

I don't think that they viewed Rudolph as one of the best QBs in the draft if they didn't take him in the 1st or 2nd.

But, both comments make sense because they were made in support of guys that were on the roster when the comments were made.

Actually, I do believe them when they say that they had Rudolph rated as high as the other QBs...if Ben had retired, we may have seen Rudolph drafted in the first by the Steelers...

People say "BPA at a position of need"...is there a time when value can trump that axiom? I think, yes...somewhere around round 3 with a franchise caliber QB...

Donnieboy
05-02-2018, 05:49 PM
...I don't think that they viewed Rudolph as one of the best QBs in the draft if they didn't take him in the 1st or 2nd.


Not so. If they are trying to win now a QB who is going to sit for awhile is not nearly as pressing as getting a player at a position who fills an immediate need. There were many who had Rudolph graded out as a first round pick.

Donnieboy
05-02-2018, 05:50 PM
Actually, I do believe them when they say that they had Rudolph rated as high as the other QBs...if Ben had retired, we may have seen Rudolph drafted in the first by the Steelers...

People say "BPA at a position of need"...is there a time when value can trump that axiom? I think, yes...somewhere around round 3 with a franchise caliber QB...

Great post! Agreed.

Steel Maniac
05-02-2018, 06:18 PM
I too believe the management when they say that they considered rudolph as good as the other 5 who went ahead of him because so did I! And I made no bones about it.

flippy
05-02-2018, 06:36 PM
Anyone remember when the Steelers said they had a 1st round grade on Trai Essex?

Buzz
05-02-2018, 07:08 PM
Anyone remember when the Steelers said they had a 1st round grade on Trai Essex?
:) I'm sure a sizeable number of fans believed them back then.

feltdizz
05-02-2018, 07:26 PM
Absolutely.

Ben threw for 5TD’s and like 500 yards vs the Jags.

That isnt the norm.

Ben has a bunch of passing records, he isn’t the norm IMO.

NorthCoast
05-02-2018, 07:40 PM
Rudolph's opportunity is more likely to occur due to injury than poor play by Roethlisberger. Notice how Roethlisberger stated he would play as long as his OL was intact. That's also not a given. If he is being pounded relentlessly in a game, it could change his mind real​ quick.

feltdizz
05-03-2018, 11:15 AM
Rudolph's opportunity is more likely to occur due to injury than poor play by Roethlisberger. Notice how Roethlisberger stated he would play as long as his OL was intact. That's also not a given. If he is being pounded relentlessly in a game, it could change his mind real​ quick.

I guess but with Bell, AB, JuJu, Washington and Munchak coaching the OL I just don't see it happening.

Ben would have to go back to his 35 sack seasons IMO. I think he finally has respect for his body and will dump it off or throw it away instead of taking 6 or 7 sacks a game.

Steel Maniac
05-03-2018, 05:19 PM
Rudolph's opportunity is more likely to occur due to injury than poor play by Roethlisberger. Notice how Roethlisberger stated he would play as long as his OL was intact. That's also not a given. If he is being pounded relentlessly in a game, it could change his mind real​ quick.

All the more reason to get the kid in camp and get him spinning the ball.

SS Laser
05-03-2018, 07:41 PM
I agree a injury to Big Ben will be the only way to spark the next QB. I will wait to see how MR matures before I crown him the next franchise QB. Another possibility is Ben wins the super bowl and rides off into the sunset. I think MR being no more then a better back up then LJ is possible compared to Ben being traded. I would have agreed a trade is more possible if BA was still coaching.

squidkid
05-04-2018, 01:33 AM
we learned that the steelers draft exactly like the other 31 teams in the league.
some bpa, some value pick, some need, some bpa at a position of need, players that fit their individual schemes, but all pick who they had at the top of THEIR big board and more than likely, a combination of all or some criteria

Captain Lemming
05-04-2018, 02:15 AM
we learned that the steelers draft exactly like the other 31 teams in the league.
some bpa, some value pick, some need, some bpa at a position of need, players that fir their individual schemes, but all pick who they had at the top of THEIR big board and more than likely, a combination of all or some criteria

We also learned that contrary to YOUR contention they dont "reach" for need if the value aint there. THAT is why we did not draft a linebacker.

squidkid
05-04-2018, 03:18 AM
We also learned that contrary to YOUR contention they dont "reach" for need if the value aint there. THAT is why we did not draft a linebacker.

seeing that they NEEDED a hybrid safety/linebacker to replace shazier, they did reach for one and over drafted edmunds by a round or two.
it definitely wasnt BPA like you always say they draft

Slapstick
05-04-2018, 08:25 AM
seeing that they NEEDED a hybrid safety/linebacker to replace shazier, they did reach for one and over drafted edmunds by a round or two.
it definitely wasnt BPA like you always say they draft

Just keep spinning...

https://goo.gl/images/2Zt9yc

Slapstick
05-04-2018, 09:16 AM
We also learned that they will normally stick to their draft board...instead of "panicking" and just drafting a position if the value isn't there...

feltdizz
05-04-2018, 10:09 AM
we learned that the steelers draft exactly like the other 31 teams in the league.
some bpa, some value pick, some need, some bpa at a position of need, players that fit their individual schemes, but all pick who they had at the top of THEIR big board and more than likely, a combination of all or some criteria

I always thought we did something else besides draft them during the draft like every other team does at the draft.

The constant need for you to point out how everyone else is wrong and you were right is hilarious and pathetic.

Slapstick
05-04-2018, 10:13 AM
I always thought we did something else besides draft them during the draft like every other team does at the draft.

The constant need for you to point out how everyone else is wrong and you were right is hilarious and pathetic.

The fact that he often makes stuff up to prove his point is what is hilarious...

Steel Maniac
05-04-2018, 10:13 AM
seeing that they NEEDED a hybrid safety/linebacker to replace shazier, they did reach for one and over drafted edmunds by a round or two.
it definitely wasnt BPA like you always say they draft

Based on all the data compiled, they did reach on Edmunds. I firmly believe he could have been gotten in round 2. But if he pans out to be a great player, history will not say anything about him being a reach. If he bombs, that's all history will say.

Slapstick
05-04-2018, 10:19 AM
Based upon what data? Compiled by whom?

Don't teams have more data available to them than draftniks? Medical reports? Meetings and film sessions? Private workouts? Dinners? Meetings with coaches?

feltdizz
05-04-2018, 10:20 AM
I heard a few folks talk about Justin Reid being a first rounder but others were saying they weren't that impressed with him. I wonder if he wasn't Eric Reids brother would he get this much attention?

I wasn't even thinking about using a safety/LB hybrid to help the D this year but it makes sense.

Not sure if he is legit but like I said earlier. I'm a big fan of VTech defenders. They usually play solid, have ball hawking ability and tackle well.

feltdizz
05-04-2018, 10:21 AM
Based upon what data? Compiled by whom?

Don't teams have more data available to them than draftniks? Medical reports? Meetings and film sessions? Private workouts? Dinners? Meetings with coaches?

the same data that has Mike Tomlin being fired by the minority owners after this season.

the same data that told him Dobbs wasn't viewed as a running QB coming our of college.

Northern_Blitz
05-04-2018, 10:25 AM
We also learned that they will normally stick to their draft board...instead of "panicking" and just drafting a position if the value isn't there...

This. I don't think that the Steelers care what grade they get from Kipe and the other "draft experts". They do their scouting and have their board. And they usually do a reasonably good job.

Slapstick
05-04-2018, 10:27 AM
This. I don't think that the Steelers care what grade they get from Kipe and the other "draft experts". They do their scouting and have their board. And they usually do a reasonably good job.

The proof is in the results...the Browns won the draft often over the last 20 years...

squidkid
05-04-2018, 01:17 PM
Just keep spinning...

https://goo.gl/images/2Zt9yc


lol..........this is coming from a guy that made up, 'the steelers draft BPA 3 years down the road' to justify their picks now..........that has got to be the funniest and most pathetic homer logic ever when defending a draft pick............
my friends at work had a huge laugh at that one.......

squidkid
05-04-2018, 01:18 PM
The fact that he often makes stuff up to prove his point is what is hilarious...


name some things i made up..........

feltdizz
05-04-2018, 01:29 PM
lol..........this is coming from a guy that made up, 'the steelers draft BPA 3 years down the road' to justify their picks now..........that has got to be the funniest and most pathetic homer logic ever when defending a draft pick............
my friends at work had a huge laugh at that one.......

you ain't got no friends

quit making stuff up