Looking at Linebacker Depth

[Ernie]

I've been thinking about the Linebacker corp. after the draft, wondering if we have any guys within the ranks who could provide quality depth in 2018. Two guys I have been wondering about are Keion Adams and Keith Kelsey. I know Kelsey was signed to the practice squad in September. What happened with Adams? I am thinking he had a season ending injury, but not sure about that.

I left the draft thinking we were going to be active in Free Agency (Lawrence Timmons comes to mind)... but I always look for that "Mike Hilton" who climbs through the ranks, and becomes an solid player.

Any thoughts?

[Steelerphile]

Adams was drafted last year, 7th round? I think. Colbert referenced him in the post draft press conference. He was looking pretty good in camp and had a shoulder injury that required surgery. Should be good to go for this season and they think of him a potential contributor.

[Ernie]

Adams was drafted last year, 7th round? I think. Colbert referenced him in the post draft press conference. He was looking pretty good in camp and had a shoulder injury that required surgery. Should be good to go for this season and they think of him a potential contributor.

Yep, he was our 2017 7th rounder. If Colbert mentioned him in the presser...they must be looking for him to contribute in 2018.

[Oviedo]

No problem giving Timmons a chance to earn a spot

Knows the defense

[phillyesq]

The depth at linebacker is paper thin.

On the inside, behind Vince Williams and the injury-prone Bostic, the Steelers have:

- Matakevich
- LJ Fort
- Galambos
- Kelsey
- Matthew Thomas

On the outside, the Steelers have:

- Chickillo
- Keion Adams (last year's 7th)
- Olasunkanmi Adeniyi (kind of interesting UDFA)
- Farrington Hugeunin

The Steelers could sign a Navarro Bowman or Timmons. But I doubt they do. You run into the same issue you had with Harrison last year. Those guys need to start because they are not going to play STs.

I sense that the Steelers are going to "replace" Shazier with more dime, using guys like Edmunds, Burnett, Davis and Allen as interchangeable safeties that can play in the box. But if a team does what Jacksonville did, and forces them to stick in the base, they didn't really do much to upgrade ILB or NT.

There was a time when teams always spread the Steelers out. I wonder if we'll see the opposite - teams going heavy to keep the Steelers in base.

[NorthCoast]

It's a sad commentary on the Steelers LB corp when people are suggesting Timmons or a practice squad player may be contributors to the defense this season. I can't remember a time in my life when there was such a lack of outright talent. Steelers need to keep their fingers crossed that a team will cut a LB that has been misplaced on their defense and will shine in theirs, ala Farrior.

[NorthCoast]

The depth at linebacker is paper thin.

On the inside, behind Vince Williams and the injury-prone Bostic, the Steelers have:

- Matakevich
- LJ Fort
- Galambos
- Kelsey
- Matthew Thomas

On the outside, the Steelers have:

- Chickillo
- Keion Adams (last year's 7th)
- Olasunkanmi Adeniyi (kind of interesting UDFA)
- Farrington Hugeunin

The Steelers could sign a Navarro Bowman or Timmons. But I doubt they do. You run into the same issue you had with Harrison last year. Those guys need to start because they are not going to play STs.

I sense that the Steelers are going to "replace" Shazier with more dime, using guys like Edmunds, Burnett, Davis and Allen as interchangeable safeties that can play in the box. But if a team does what Jacksonville did, and forces them to stick in the base, they didn't really do much to upgrade ILB or NT.

There was a time when teams always spread the Steelers out. I wonder if we'll see the opposite - teams going heavy to keep the Steelers in base.which makes CLE passing on Barkley even more baffling....

Butler's gonna have to get real creative this year or the Steelers may end up at the bottom of the league in run defense and time of possession.

[Ernie]

which makes CLE passing on Barkley even more baffling....

Butler's gonna have to get real creative this year or the Steelers may end up at the bottom of the league in run defense and time of possession.

They picked up Chubb though.

[Ernie]

It's a sad commentary on the Steelers LB corp when people are suggesting Timmons or a practice squad player may be contributors to the defense this season. I can't remember a time in my life when there was such a lack of outright talent. Steelers need to keep their fingers crossed that a team will cut a LB that has been misplaced on their defense and will shine in theirs, ala Farrior.

I sort of feel the same way; just trying to stay positive. Guys rise through the ranks... every now and again you get a hidden gem, such as a James Harrison or (more recently) a Mike Hilton.

I was furious last year when we neglected ILB in the draft. This year... I'm trying to take a more measured approach. Hopefully we get the position stabilized in Free Agency.

[Steelerphile]

I think Keion Adams situation is more interesting than the standard practice squad player. Many don't arise to become good players but Chris Hubbard, for example, was a practice squad guy who turned out well. Adams was someone who observers felt could push to make the team before the injury. That is why I think he deserves some mention.

[Ernie]

I think Keion Adams situation is more interesting than the standard practice squad player. Many don't arise to become good players but Chris Hubbard, for example, was a practice squad guy who turned out well. Adams was someone who observers felt could push to make the team before the injury. That is why I think he deserves some mention.

Agreed. I am thinking BJ Finney was also a PS-Undrafted guy who rose through the ranks. Same with Feiler. Come to think of it, Foster was also undrafted.

[Slapstick]

Adams was never placed on the practice squad...he was placed on IR prior to final roster cuts...I think the Steelers like him a lot...

I don’t think that the Steelers lack talent at the LB position now...they sure did when both Shazier and Matakevitch were injured in the Cincy game...

How many NFL teams have outstanding depth after your first and second string are injured? There are isolated incidents, but mostly, teams are screwed...

[phillyesq]

Adams was never placed on the practice squad...he was placed on IR prior to final roster cuts...I think the Steelers like him a lot...

I don’t think that the Steelers lack talent at the LB position now...they sure did when both Shazier and Matakevitch were injured in the Cincy game...

How many NFL teams have outstanding depth after your first and second string are injured? There are isolated incidents, but mostly, teams are screwed...

Two years ago, the Steelers had Vince Williams inside and Arthur Moats/James Harrison/Jarvis Jones as their depth. Not exactly stars, but certainly credible NFL players. Behind Bostic, there is really no mack linebacker on the roster.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Two years ago, the Steelers had Vince Williams inside and Arthur Moats/James Harrison/Jarvis Jones as their depth. Not exactly stars, but certainly credible NFL players. Behind Bostic, there is really no mack linebacker on the roster.

How rigid is the classification of mack vs. buck? I just recently learned what these terms meant, so I honestly don't know!

[Slapstick]

How rigid is the classification of mack vs. buck? I just recently learned what these terms meant, so I honestly don't know!

Vince played at the Mack as a backup for Shazier for 4 games in 2016...in those four games, he had 34 combined tackles (28 solo) and two sacks...

I think Bostic could be even better...

[NorthCoast]

Vince played at the Mack as a backup for Shazier for 4 games in 2016...in those four games, he had 34 combined tackles (28 solo) and two sacks...

I think Bostic could be even better...IF he manages to stay healthy.... which isn't a given. Think about the ironman that Timmons was, missed few games in 3/4 of his career.

[pittpete]

Bostic missed 10 games out of 64(first 4 seasons)
Shazier missed 14 games out of 48(first 3 seasons)
Bostic also said he could've played last year with the Colts if he needed to.
Please stop labelling the guy as injury prone.

[Slapstick]

Bostic missed 10 games out of 64(first 4 seasons)
Shazier missed 14 games out of 48(first 3 seasons)
Bostic also said he could've played last year with the Colts if he needed to.
Please stop labelling the guy as injury prone.

Bostic was IRd for the last game of the season so that the Colts could promote a player and evaluate him during a game...

[Sugar]

It's a sad commentary on the Steelers LB corp when people are suggesting Timmons or a practice squad player may be contributors to the defense this season. I can't remember a time in my life when there was such a lack of outright talent. Steelers need to keep their fingers crossed that a team will cut a LB that has been misplaced on their defense and will shine in theirs, ala Farrior.

I guess this was part of the reason I was frustrated with the Rudolph pick. Yeah, it's great to get value at the position and I don't dislike the kid himself in any way. It's just that it seems to me that there should have been someone to help at ILB available with a 3rd round pick. Even if it were just depth and ST's capability.

After years of Steelers LB's being some of the most respected players in the game, it just seems odd to have Watt as really the only star of the whole squad.

[Slapstick]

Well, it would have been Watt and Shazier...

At any rate, no ILB in the third round was a better player than Rudolph...

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Well, it would have been Watt and Shazier...

At any rate, no ILB in the third round was a better player than Rudolph...

But would they have been able to really help out our D?

Asking because I don't know, but 3/4 of a loaf on D this year might have been more valuable than whatever Rudolph brings starting next year probably (unless FO thinks he's for sure "The One"). IMO!

[phillyesq]

Bostic missed 10 games out of 64(first 4 seasons)
Shazier missed 14 games out of 48(first 3 seasons)
Bostic also said he could've played last year with the Colts if he needed to.
Please stop labelling the guy as injury prone.

He missed 5 games in 2015, all of 2016, and 2 games last year. Not exactly a picture of health.

[Chadman]

Given the depth of both ILB & OLB, Chadman’s thoughts...

Keion Adams was set to make the roster last season before injury, so he’s a natural step up. Chikillo is now the #3 guy, replacing...well he was the #3 guy last year in effect because Harrison didn’t dress. Is Adams a chance of being a bigger contributor than Moats then? It wouldn’t be a huge stretch. Henguian looked athletic when on the field & might be an interesting ST type of guy.

ILB is more concerning- depending on how the Steelers use the sub-package defenses. LJ Fort is probably the #2 ‘coverage’ LB behind Bostic. That’s not great. The team clearly like Matekovich. He will be the likely #3 ILB. Thomas has all the athletic ability the Steelers look for- Chadman suspects he’s there to push Fort. If there is a signing to be made, it’ll be here at ILB. As much as many won’t like it, Sean Spence might be the right choice- he won’t cost much, can play ST, knows the system & can play the ‘coverage’ LB role better than anyone behind Bostic on the roster.

As is always the case- the real issue is ‘what if so-and-so gets injured?’. Well, depth...potential starting depth...is poor. If Bud Dupree or TJ Watt go down, Chik sees the field a lot. That is more concerning to Chadman than at ILB where the team could ‘scheme’ more sub package defenses..

[NorthCoast]

Given the depth of both ILB & OLB, Chadman’s thoughts...

Keion Adams was set to make the roster last season before injury, so he’s a natural step up. Chikillo is now the #3 guy, replacing...well he was the #3 guy last year in effect because Harrison didn’t dress. Is Adams a chance of being a bigger contributor than Moats then? It wouldn’t be a huge stretch. Henguian looked athletic when on the field & might be an interesting ST type of guy.

ILB is more concerning- depending on how the Steelers use the sub-package defenses. LJ Fort is probably the #2 ‘coverage’ LB behind Bostic. That’s not great. The team clearly like Matekovich. He will be the likely #3 ILB. Thomas has all the athletic ability the Steelers look for- Chadman suspects he’s there to push Fort. If there is a signing to be made, it’ll be here at ILB. As much as many won’t like it, Sean Spence might be the right choice- he won’t cost much, can play ST, knows the system & can play the ‘coverage’ LB role better than anyone behind Bostic on the roster.

As is always the case- the real issue is ‘what if so-and-so gets injured?’. Well, depth...potential starting depth...is poor. If Bud Dupree or TJ Watt go down, Chik sees the field a lot. That is more concerning to Chadman than at ILB where the team could ‘scheme’ more sub package defenses..With Spence the Steelers know what they get. The problem with that is, it ain't good.

[pittpete]

He missed 5 games in 2015, all of 2016, and 2 games last year. Not exactly a picture of health.

Guy broke his foot in the preseason..I wouldnt count that as injury prone, just unlucky.

[Sugar]

But would they have been able to really help out our D?

Asking because I don't know, but 3/4 of a loaf on D this year might have been more valuable than whatever Rudolph brings starting next year probably (unless FO thinks he's for sure "The One"). IMO!

I guess I see Rudolph as nothing more than a clipboard holder for at least the next two years. It's great if you got your "guy" when they did, but it seems to me that the "guy" could have been had next year or the year after while more pressing needs were addressed now. Even a more raw athlete that needed a little work could have at least gotten into the system and provided some depth at ILB where it just seems we're... thin. The FO must really know something because they really haven't addressed this area for a couple years now.

[Steel Maniac]

It's a sad commentary on the Steelers LB corp when people are suggesting Timmons or a practice squad player may be contributors to the defense this season. I can't remember a time in my life when there was such a lack of outright talent. Steelers need to keep their fingers crossed that a team will cut a LB that has been misplaced on their defense and will shine in theirs, ala Farrior.

Boom...........

[Steel Maniac]

But right now, we are in trouble in our lb corps.

[feltdizz]

But would they have been able to really help out our D?

Asking because I don't know, but 3/4 of a loaf on D this year might have been more valuable than whatever Rudolph brings starting next year probably (unless FO thinks he's for sure "The One"). IMO!

If he is the one he probably would have gone earlier but who knows. Once every few years teams miss on a QB.

I agree though, I think an LB in the 3rd could help us this year. Gotta hope we can find more depth after teams make cuts or maybe one of our scrub backups turn the corner.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I think that the team will learn a lot more about LB depth this Spring. Especially with Adams and Matakevich.

Adams looked like a guy who was on his way to making the 53 last Summer. It seemed every time you heard a report on guys at camp that his name was coming up. He then got hurt and people forget about guys who aren't around...but the team didn't. I'd think that he is being looked at as the top backup to one or both OLB positions.

Matakevich was a guy who would have/should have gotten a look when Shazier went down. Unfortunately for him, and the team, he was hurt just a few plays later. We never had a chance to see what kind of depth he provides, but he will get his chance now.

Two other things that I'll be looking closely at as camp begins:

Dupree - I thought he'd have a breakout year in 2017. He was coming off a season where he missed camp, missed the first 10 games (I think it was 10), and played like a beast when he returned. I thought that with a full, healthy off-season he would excel last year. Obviously that never happened, but that doesn't mean that it can't/won't happen this season. Could there be a breakout campaign in 2018? Even just an improved campaign?

Edmunds - Tomlin keeps talking about the specialization of schemes. So, we are not looking at a unit of four LBs, there is much more to it. I could see the D using Edmunds as the nickel/dime LB, or the third down LB - whatever you want to call it. You have Bostic/Williams on the field first and second/running downs. Edmunds steps in at LB to cover TEs or RBs, blitz, etc. on third down/passing downs.

[Shawn]

The depth at linebacker is paper thin.

On the inside, behind Vince Williams and the injury-prone Bostic, the Steelers have:

- Matakevich
- LJ Fort
- Galambos
- Kelsey
- Matthew Thomas

On the outside, the Steelers have:

- Chickillo
- Keion Adams (last year's 7th)
- Olasunkanmi Adeniyi (kind of interesting UDFA)
- Farrington Hugeunin

The Steelers could sign a Navarro Bowman or Timmons. But I doubt they do. You run into the same issue you had with Harrison last year. Those guys need to start because they are not going to play STs.

I sense that the Steelers are going to "replace" Shazier with more dime, using guys like Edmunds, Burnett, Davis and Allen as interchangeable safeties that can play in the box. But if a team does what Jacksonville did, and forces them to stick in the base, they didn't really do much to upgrade ILB or NT.

There was a time when teams always spread the Steelers out. I wonder if we'll see the opposite - teams going heavy to keep the Steelers in base. You have a good eye. Ola...is an absolute beast. He reminds me MUCH of James Harrison. Yes, he lacks quick hips and amazing speed in shorts. But, the guy is a bull rushing, run you over, in your face tough guy. The issue will be that I think he will be a liability in coverage. But, I could see him as a pass rushing specialist, 10 snaps a game early in his career. I think he makes the PS at minimum.

[Slapstick]

Matakevich was a guy who would have/should have gotten a look when Shazier went down. Unfortunately for him, and the team, he was hurt just a few plays later. We never had a chance to see what kind of depth he provides, but he will get his chance now.

This is what Colbert had to say about Matakevitch after the draft:


Had he not gotten injured, we may have had a whole different discussion going on because Tyler was a highly productive special teams player who really hasn’t gotten to play. Between Jon (Bostic) and Tyler, we don’t know what we have in those two, honestly.

[birtikidis]

It's a sad commentary on the Steelers LB corp when people are suggesting Timmons or a practice squad player may be contributors to the defense this season. I can't remember a time in my life when there was such a lack of outright talent. Steelers need to keep their fingers crossed that a team will cut a LB that has been misplaced on their defense and will shine in theirs, ala Farrior.
I can remember such a scenario. After Peezy retired. Our OLB depth sucked and we relied on an oft cut UDFA from Kent State to try to make some plays.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

The way the draft fell I think it's Bargain time. Maybe someone at ILB released or someone left unsigned.

[Slapstick]

I think that Marcus Allen will end up playing more of a LB position (“dimebacker”) than anything else...

As a pure safety, his greatest weakness is reportedly playing single-high...

Put him close to the line and let him cover TEs and RBs out of the backfield...we already know that he can tackle...

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

I'm not worried at OLB. I think Adams & Chick end up the top back ups. Your camp sleeper..."Ola". I think he's only 20 too. He might not be able to hide on PS if he shows development fast. Huguenin showed a lot of upside too last preseason. Maybe they keep 5 & sneak one on PS but there is some upside at the back end.


FSU Mathew Thomas Has a chance to make the Roster at ILB but I think the Steelers sign a vet ILB. I would feel confident at ILB if they signed Hodges right now to get in mix.

[fordfixer]

Careful you can get eye strain looking at our linebacker depth.

[Buzz]

The way the draft fell I think it's Bargain time. Maybe someone at ILB released or someone left unsigned.
Fingers crossed.

[Buzz]

I think that Marcus Allen will end up playing more of a LB position (“dimebacker”) than anything else...

As a pure safety, his greatest weakness is reportedly playing single-high...

Put him close to the line and let him cover TEs and RBs out of the backfield...we already know that he can tackle...
That's about the only way we can use him.

Between Edmunds, Burnett, Davis and Allen, we have the subpackage "dime-backer" needs covered.

But what safety is there on the roster who is really good at playing single-high? MAYBE Davis can handle it, but that's an unknown. Or maybe Sutton, but again, unknown. Tomlin has indicated he's leaning toward trusting Burnett with that responsibility, but that's not really how he has been used as a pro up to this point, is it?

[Chadman]

Chadman may be wrong, but wasn’t Davis a FS/CB in college?

[Slapstick]

Burnett has been used in multiple positions in the defensive backfield, including single high safety...

[phillyesq]

This is what Colbert had to say about Matakevitch after the draft:

I like Dirty Red. I think he is a guy who could fill in for Vince Williams if he got injured. And I think he would have been a whole lot better than Spence was against the run. However, a linebacker tandem of Matakevich and Williams leaves you exposed against the pass. The only backup for Bostic is Fort - a guy that the coaching staff thought so highly of that he played behind Spence last year.

[Slapstick]

Matakevitch had to have shoulder surgery in the offseason because of the injury he sustained in the Bengals game...I also think he would have performed better than Spence if he had been healthy....

[RuthlessBurgher]

We could run a 3-3-5 big nickel with Heyward-Hargrave-Tuitt with their hand in the dirt, then Watt-Williams-Dupree on the second level, with both Burnett and Edmunds starting off down in the box on either side of Vince as couple of SS-ILB hybrids. If they opt to run, they are running into an 8-man front. If they pass, we rush our front 3 down linemen and between Watt, Dupree, Burnett, Edmunds, and Williams, maybe we could send a couple of them after the quarterback too, drop a couple of them back into zone coverage, and have the last one spying on a possible pass to a RB out of the backfield...and you could change up those roles from play to play so the offense doesn't know who is blitzing, who is dropping back, etc.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

...But what safety is there on the roster who is really good at playing single-high? ...

A question that scares me. Are we toast every time they isolate their best speedster WR on one side and stack the line on the other side? Who's going to be our single coverage guy there?

[Steel Maniac]

We could run a 3-3-5 big nickel with Heyward-Hargrave-Tuitt with their hand in the dirt, then Watt-Williams-Dupree on the second level, with both Burnett and Edmunds starting off down in the box on either side of Vince as couple of SS-ILB hybrids. If they opt to run, they are running into an 8-man front. If they pass, we rush our front 3 down linemen and between Watt, Dupree, Burnett, Edmunds, and Williams, maybe we could send a couple of them after the quarterback too, drop a couple of them back into zone coverage, and have the last one spying on a possible pass to a RB out of the backfield...and you could change up those roles from play to play so the offense doesn't know who is blitzing, who is dropping back, etc.

I like what your trying to do in theory. But the obvious weak link is Dupree. Above the neck, he doesn’t have it and would be exposed for not recognizing his assignment based on his lack of recognizing little signals from the offense of what’s about to be ran.

[Steel Maniac]

And Williams is just “ a guy”

[Iron City Inc.]

I like what your trying to do in theory. But the obvious weak link is Dupree. Above the neck, he doesn’t have it and would be exposed for not recognizing his assignment based on his lack of recognizing little signals from the offense of what’s about to be ran.
Dupree was a weak link at times last year I would agree. However not sure it had anything to do with recognition n reaction. He may not have been 100% healthy cause he spent way to much time on the ground. Getting washed out and even taken to the ground by TE's. 6 4 260 pound LB can not allow TE's to get to your chest n get you ridden out. He needs to play more physical n use his hands better. Play with lower base seal the edge n most times he has 7 hole contain turn it inside while staying on his feet.
He still doesn't convert speed to power well enough on the rush so his run D has to be better.

[Steel Maniac]

Dupree was a weak link at times last year I would agree. However not sure it had anything to do with recognition n reaction. He may not have been 100% healthy cause he spent way to much time on the ground. Getting washed out and even taken to the ground by TE's. 6 4 260 pound LB can not allow TE's to get to your chest n get you ridden out. He needs to play more physical n use his hands better. Play with lower base seal the edge n most times he has 7 hole contain turn it inside while staying on his feet.
He still doesn't convert speed to power well enough on the rush so his run D has to be better.

I heard that too but it’s been a while now and now I believe the initial reports of him not being the sharpest knife in the drawer to be true.

[Buzz]

Burnett has been used in multiple positions in the defensive backfield, including single high safety...

He has been used at single high safety, but that's not where he excels. And there's chatter that he's lost a step in speed.

[Buzz]

Dupree was a weak link at times last year I would agree. However not sure it had anything to do with recognition n reaction. He may not have been 100% healthy cause he spent way to much time on the ground. Getting washed out and even taken to the ground by TE's. 6 4 260 pound LB can not allow TE's to get to your chest n get you ridden out. He needs to play more physical n use his hands better. Play with lower base seal the edge n most times he has 7 hole contain turn it inside while staying on his feet.
He still doesn't convert speed to power well enough on the rush so his run D has to be better.

I agree with your analysis, but It would seem that the Steelers might be OK with big Dud--picked up his 5th year option and didn't draft anyone to challenge him.

[Steel Maniac]

I"m not coming in pumped this coming season because I'm really down on the middle of this defense. I'll be sitting on my hands in a "wait & see" mode. I"ll be watching the middle of our defense when we play the Falcons, Jags, Panthers and Chargers. Those teams make running a premium and will be a proper barometer.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Some of the veteran ILB's still available in free agency:

NaVorro Bowman (30 years old)
Lawrence Timmons (32 years old)
Derrick Johnson (35 years old)
Gerald Hodges (27 years old)
Brian Cushing (31 years old)
Karlos Dansby (36 years old)
Dannell Ellerbe (32 years old)

Keep in mind that most of these guys don't contribute on special teams anymore, so if you are not a starter and not a ST player, you might end up being a gameday inactive a la James Harrison.

[Steel Maniac]

Some of the veteran ILB's still available in free agency:

NaVorro Bowman (30 years old)
Lawrence Timmons (32 years old)
Derrick Johnson (35 years old)
Gerald Hodges (27 years old)
Brian Cushing (31 years old)
Karlos Dansby (36 years old)
Dannell Ellerbe (32 years old)

Keep in mind that most of these guys don't contribute on special teams anymore, so if you are not a starter and not a ST player, you might end up being a gameday inactive a la James Harrison.

Your right; I know those guys are not special team contributors and that they have to start. But I'd give serious, serious consideration to getting and starting Bowman. What he did last year with the Raiders showed he still has what it takes. First game after he signed with them, 10 tackles!
Plus..I'd like a vet like him to school up the younger guys.

[Steel Maniac]

Some of the veteran ILB's still available in free agency:

NaVorro Bowman (30 years old)
Lawrence Timmons (32 years old)
Derrick Johnson (35 years old)
Gerald Hodges (27 years old)
Brian Cushing (31 years old)
Karlos Dansby (36 years old)
Dannell Ellerbe (32 years old)

Keep in mind that most of these guys don't contribute on special teams anymore, so if you are not a starter and not a ST player, you might end up being a gameday inactive a la James Harrison.

Hey, how come James Harrison isn't on this list?? Just playing.............. :smile:

[RuthlessBurgher]

Timmons has the obvious connection to the Steelers, so we already know how he could fit in this defense, plus Bowman and Hodges played their college ball somewhat locally at Penn State. Bowman was at PSU from 2006-2009 and Hodges was at PSU from 2009-2012, and our current DB coach Tom Bradley was the defensive coordinator at PSU until 2011, so he should know both players quite well.

[Slapstick]

Derrick Johnson is visiting the Raiders...

FYI, NaVorro Bowman was brought in for a pre-draft visit in March of 2010...

[RuthlessBurgher]

Report: Eagles release Mychal Kendricks

Posted by Charean Williams on May 22, 2018, 3:52 PM EDT

It was not a good day for Philadelphia linebackers.

Paul Worrilow was carted off during Tuesday’s practice with an apparent knee injury. Now comes word that the Eagles will move on from Mychal Kendricks.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the team has released Kendricks.

It was not an unexpected move as Kendricks was scheduled to count $7.6 million against the cap in 2018 with a base salary of $5.9 million. The Eagles signed former Broncos linebacker Corey Nelson, who has only a $1.6 million cap hit, to take Kendricks’ spot.

Kendricks, a second-round pick of the Eagles in 2012, shouldn’t be without a job long.

He filled in at middle linebacker last season when Jordan Hicks was injured and played 726 snaps. He had 77 tackles, two sacks and six pass breakups in 15 games with 13 starts.

In his six years, he has played 85 games with 74 starts.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/22/report-eagles-release-mychal-kendricks/

[RuthlessBurgher]

Now is the time to jump on Kendricks. He wasn't worth trading for this offseason, as others have suggested a few times, because of the cap hit. But now that he has been released late in the process (with OTA's starting today), we can offer him a modest "show me" type of contract.

[Steel Maniac]

Now is the time to jump on Kendricks. He wasn't worth trading for this offseason, as others have suggested a few times, because of the cap hit. But now that he has been released late in the process (with OTA's starting today), we can offer him a modest "show me" type of contract.

I'm with you on this one Ruth. We should look into this. Colbert, make it happen.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'm with you on this one Ruth. We should look into this. Colbert, make it happen.

I'd like to make this happen too. I think that we desperately need depth at ILB.

From his perspective, I'm not sure if the Steelers are the right fit. He might want to go to a place where he's presumably the starter. I don't know that he would automatically displace Bostic or Williams. All we'd be able to offer him is a reasonably fierce competition at a starting position.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I'm with you on this one Ruth. We should look into this. Colbert, make it happen.

If we are able to pull it off, then we'd have the overall depth at each LB position we've been looking for...Kendricks and Bostic at Mack ILB, Vince and Matakevich at Buck ILB, Watt and Keion at weakside OLB, Dupree and Chickillo at strongside OLB.

[hawaiiansteel]

Eagles release inside linebacker Mychal Kendricks

By Chris Wesseling
Around the NFL Writer
Published: May 22, 2018

"Now that he's free, Kendricks figures to generate plenty of interest on the open market, perhaps even from the cross-state Steelers, who are still in search of a replacement for Ryan Shazier."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000933857/article/eagles-release-inside-linebacker-mychal-kendricks

[Steel Maniac]

If we are able to pull it off, then we'd have the overall depth at each LB position we've been looking for...Kendricks and Bostic at Mack ILB, Vince and Matakevich at Buck ILB, Watt and Keion at weakside OLB, Dupree and Chickillo at strongside OLB.

And that's all we can ask for.

[hawaiiansteel]

Jon Bostic the rare ‘every down linebacker’ the Steelers have been searching for

The Pittsburgh Steelers needed to find someone who could at least attempt to replace Ryan Shazier, and Jon Bostic might just be the man for the job.

By Jeff.Hartman@BnGBlitz May 24, 2018

Everyone knows the narrative by now.

The Pittsburgh Steelers needed to find a player who could at least attempt to be the answer at inside linebacker in place of Pro Bowler Ryan Shazier — and they failed to do so.

They tried to move up in the 2018 NFL Draft to pick Rashaan Evans, but failed, and they didn’t address the position in the other rounds.

But maybe they didn’t have to, after all, they did go out and pick up free agent linebacker Jon Bostic, who played last year for the Indianapolis Colts. Bostic is one of the few linebackers who can call themselves a pure three down linebacker.

“I’m a three-down backer; it’s tough to find those nowadays,” Bostic told Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette after his first time on the practice field with his new teammates. “I’m a backer that can play either or spot, I can play middle, I can play Will, it really doesn’t matter to me. I’ve done that throughout my career. I’m a bigger guy who can run. And I can cover as well. A lot of people don’t know that.”

to read rest of article:

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2018/5/24/17389620/jon-bostic-the-rare-every-down-linebacker-the-steelers-have-been-searching-for-ryan-shazier-nfl

[Ernie]

Jon Bostic the rare ‘every down linebacker’ the Steelers have been searching for

The Pittsburgh Steelers needed to find someone who could at least attempt to replace Ryan Shazier, and Jon Bostic might just be the man for the job.

By Jeff.Hartman@BnGBlitz May 24, 2018

Everyone knows the narrative by now.

The Pittsburgh Steelers needed to find a player who could at least attempt to be the answer at inside linebacker in place of Pro Bowler Ryan Shazier — and they failed to do so.

They tried to move up in the 2018 NFL Draft to pick Rashaan Evans, but failed, and they didn’t address the position in the other rounds.

But maybe they didn’t have to, after all, they did go out and pick up free agent linebacker Jon Bostic, who played last year for the Indianapolis Colts. Bostic is one of the few linebackers who can call themselves a pure three down linebacker.

“I’m a three-down backer; it’s tough to find those nowadays,” Bostic told Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette after his first time on the practice field with his new teammates. “I’m a backer that can play either or spot, I can play middle, I can play Will, it really doesn’t matter to me. I’ve done that throughout my career. I’m a bigger guy who can run. And I can cover as well. A lot of people don’t know that.”

to read rest of article:

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2018/5/24/17389620/jon-bostic-the-rare-every-down-linebacker-the-steelers-have-been-searching-for-ryan-shazier-nfl

Really like the Bostic signing. Still concerned with our ILB depth, though. Colbert has been singing Dirty's Red's praises though... so I guess we will see.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Matakevich opened OTAs as starting mack. He was backup at both positions last season. We don't know what we have because he never started and when his presumed shot came he was hurt before he even got his shot. The coaches watch him every day and it looks like they have faith in him. I think that Bostic plus Dirty Red equates to no movement on Kendricks.

Another big factor in all this is that I believe we will see a lot more of exotic looks from the D which will see a DB (probably Edmonds) on the field where an ILB usually would have been. Therefore, less value in upgrading the ILB position.

These are what I think will happen. In no way do I believe that Kendricks is not a better player than those already on the roster.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Matakevich opened OTAs as starting mack. He was backup at both positions last season. We don't know what we have because he never started and when his presumed shot came he was hurt before he even got his shot. The coaches watch him every day and it looks like they have faith in him. I think that Bostic plus Dirty Red equates to no movement on Kendricks.

Another big factor in all this is that I believe we will see a lot more of exotic looks from the D which will see a DB (probably Edmonds) on the field where an ILB usually would have been. Therefore, less value in upgrading the ILB position.

These are what I think will happen. In no way do I believe that Kendricks is not a better player than those already on the roster.

I'd be comfortable with Kendricks and Bostic at the Mack, with Vince and Dirty Red at the Buck. It's better than relying on Matakevich to back up both spots.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I'd be comfortable with Kendricks and Bostic at the Mack, with Vince and Dirty Red at the Buck. It's better than relying on Matakevich to back up both spots.

I don't disagree that they could use Kendricks. I'll bet that if they could go back in time right now they'd not sign Bostic and opt for Kendricks instead. However, with where they are right now I don't think they go after him. I could be wrong. I would not mind at all being wrong on this, but I don't see it.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I don't disagree that they could use Kendricks. I'll bet that if they could go back in time right now they'd not sign Bostic and opt for Kendricks instead. However, with where they are right now I don't think they go after him. I could be wrong. I would not mind at all being wrong on this, but I don't see it.

Three years ago, they signed Arthur Moats to a bigger contract to be a backup LB (3 years, $7.5M) than they signed Jon Bostic to be a starting LB this year (2 years, $4M). I think the only reason that they wouldn't make a play for Kendricks is if they want one LB on the field for all 3 downs to wear the Green Dot as opposed to Bostic and Kendricks splitting time. A solution to that would be to give Morgan Burnett the communication helmet like he wore in Green Bay.

[Buzz]

I'd be comfortable with Kendricks and Bostic at the Mack, with Vince and Dirty Red at the Buck. It's better than relying on Matakevich to back up both spots.

THIS situation would have us in good shape at ILB heading into the season, IMO.

[Steel Maniac]

Matakevich must have naked, porno, black mail pictures of somebody to still be on this roster. Because he was nothing last year. LOL

[Buzz]

Matakevich must have naked, porno, black mail pictures of somebody to still be on this roster. Because he was nothing last year. LOL
He's a very good special teams player, and good enough to be the backup at the Buck position. IMO.

[pittpete]

Matakevich must have naked, porno, black mail pictures of somebody to still be on this roster. Because he was nothing last year. LOL

In the limited time he was in there until his injury?
You, nor i have any clue unless he sees steady playing time.
That is fact:cool:

[RuthlessBurgher]

Pittsburgh Steelers inside linebackers say they're solid even with Ryan Shazier out for season

2:54 PM ET

Jeremy Fowler
ESPN Staff Writer

PITTSBURGH -- The Steelers' inside linebackers might as well come with a warning label: Don't write us off just because Ryan Shazier is out.

Pittsburgh will miss Shazier, who will not play football in 2018 due to spinal stabilization surgery in December, but Tyler Matakevich "absolutely" takes issue with the perception that linebacker is a problem area.

"They don't give the rest of our inside linebackers credit," said Matakevich, a potential starter in his third year. "I think Vinny [Williams] is a tremendous player. He's smart. We just brought (Jon) Bostic in. He's played four years. He knows what's going on. L.J. Fort's been here for a long time. He knows this system. I think we have the guys who are capable of doing it."

The source of the perception is easy to find -- the Steelers struggled to stop the run in Shazier's absence last year, and they didn't spend free agency or draft capital on directly replacing him.

Pittsburgh was among the league's best at stopping the run for much of the year but gave up 133.5 yards per game once Shazier went out Week 13.

The team signed Bostic, a former second-round pick with 32 career starts, to a two-year deal worth nearly $4 million. Matakevich has received first-team reps alongside Williams, who ranked second on the team in sacks (8.0) in his first year as a starter. The defense will also experiment with various looks up the middle, possibly with outside linebacker T.J. Watt or first-round safety Terrell Edmunds, who has adequate size at 6-foot-2, 217 pounds.

Matakevich has played mostly on special teams and suffered a shoulder injury late last year, but general manager Kevin Colbert has said publicly that Matakevich be in the rotational mix, which the player considers a "little boost of confidence." Williams knows Shazier's skill set -- a linebacker with 4.4 speed and range -- is rare. But that shouldn't stop the Steelers from being productive.

"We don't have another Ryan Shazier on our team," Williams said. "But we do have very capable, starter ready middle linebackers."

Shazier is serving as an unofficial coach this season, helping young linebackers with the defensive scheme during offseason workouts.

The only way to offset the loss of Shazier's speed is having complete control of the defense, Matakevich said. "You just can't miss a step -- really on your p's and q's," Matakevich said. "Pay attention, study, know what's going to happen before it happens."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23642097/pittsburgh-steelers-linebackers-good-minus-ryan-shazier

[Steel Maniac]

seeing is believing. Man up against the Jags later in the season, and maybe they'll return your testicles to you. Until then, the linebackers testicles remain in a jar on the Jags mantle piece.

[hawaiiansteel]

Pittsburgh Steelers OTAs May 22-24: what we learned

By SAM QUINN

TYLER MATAKEVICH IS CURRENTLY AHEAD OF JON BOSTIC

Jon Bostic was expected to be the starter at inside linebacker next to Vince Williams coming into the offseason program, but it was Tyler Matakevich who opened OTAs with that role. He would have had a chance to take that job last season had he not been injured in the same game that Ryan Shazier was, but the team clearly likes him as a player. Bostic has started more off of draft pedigree and need than actual performance in his career, so the Steelers might view him properly as a backup. What we know for certain is that this is a competition. Bostic was not signed with the idea that he was guaranteed a starting job. Whoever lines up in Shazier's spot will have earned that right.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ContentGallery/Pittsburgh-Steelers-OTAs-May-22-24-what-we-learned-118597014/#118597014_6

[Buzz]

Pittsburgh Steelers OTAs May 22-24: what we learned

By SAM QUINN

TYLER MATAKEVICH IS CURRENTLY AHEAD OF JON BOSTIC

Jon Bostic was expected to be the starter at inside linebacker next to Vince Williams coming into the offseason program, but it was Tyler Matakevich who opened OTAs with that role. He would have had a chance to take that job last season had he not been injured in the same game that Ryan Shazier was, but the team clearly likes him as a player. Bostic has started more off of draft pedigree and need than actual performance in his career, so the Steelers might view him properly as a backup. What we know for certain is that this is a competition. Bostic was not signed with the idea that he was guaranteed a starting job. Whoever lines up in Shazier's spot will have earned that right.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ContentGallery/Pittsburgh-Steelers-OTAs-May-22-24-what-we-learned-118597014/#118597014_6

I like Matakevich, but heaven help us if he is the starter at the Mack position.

[hawaiiansteel]

Fully Healthy Again, Matakevich Believes Starting Linebacker Job Is His To Lose

By Dave Bryan
Posted on May 29, 2018

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/05/fully-healthy-again-matakevich-believes-starting-linebacker-job-is-his-to-lose/

[Steel Maniac]

In the limited time he was in there until his injury?
You, nor i have any clue unless he sees steady playing time.
That is fact:cool:

Suuuuuuure.

[pittpete]

Hopefully he proves you wrong negative Nelly

[Shoe]

I like Matakevich, but heaven help us if he is the starter at the Mack position.

You can definitely say that, but (in his defense), whenever I would look at the box score after he plays, the guy is among the top tacklers.

[Ernie]

The FO seems "Settled" at position... so that tells me that guys like Dirty Red and Matthew Thomas are performing very well early on in OTAs.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

The FO seems "Settled" at position... so that tells me that guys like Dirty Red and Matthew Thomas are performing very well early on in OTAs.

I've read the coaches have always like Dirty Red, just injuries have kept him of the field.

I do remember one bad read by him in the EZ (bit on a play action?) that cost us a TD in a big game last year. For as little as he was actually on the field that's not great.

[Ernie]

I've read the coaches have always like Dirty Red, just injuries have kept him of the field.

I do remember one bad read by him in the EZ (bit on a play action?) that cost us a TD in a big game last year. For as little as he was actually on the field that's not great.

I remember that also. The fact that he is currently ahead of Bostic on the depth chart tells me he is really making progress. He's always had "The grit". Hopefully the game is "Slowing down" for him.

Also, I just pulled up some FSU highlights of Thomas. That young man definitely looks the part. I could see him making the 53 this year.

[feltdizz]

He knows the D better than Bostic right now... not surprised at all he is in there in OTA's. I seriously doubt he holds that spot long term.

[Ernie]

]He knows the D better than Bostic right now[/B]... not surprised at all he is in there in OTA's. I seriously doubt he holds that spot long term.

This is true... but I seriously doubt they'd be wasting 1st team reps with Dirty Red if he was clearly the inferior player.

[Slapstick]

It’s OTAs....if first team reps mattered, Roethlisberger and Brown would be there...

[feltdizz]

This is true... but I seriously doubt they'd be wasting 1st team reps with Dirty Red if he was clearly the inferior player.

dude, it's OTA's. Its not wasting reps, it's giving Bostic a chance to watch a player with more experience in our defense.

[Steel Maniac]

dude, it's OTA's. Its not wasting reps, it's giving Bostic a chance to watch a player with more experience in our defense.

boom..............

[Ernie]

So I get a "Dude" from Dizz and a "Boom" from Steel... all for what was honestly a very "Vanilla" post lol.

[Ernie]

It’s OTAs....if first team reps mattered, Roethlisberger and Brown would be there...

Those two are the face of the franchise. Anybody lobbying for PT is most likely there.

[steelz09]

I can't believe Matakevich might be a starter for us.

He might get his "tackle stats" in the NFL but those are inflated because they are normally due to the RB running him over 5+ yards past the line of scrimmage.

Teams are gonna run right at him.

We probably have the worst starting ILBs in the NFL and even worse depth.

[Steel Maniac]

I can't believe Matakevich might be a starter for us.

He might get his "tackle stats" in the NFL but those are inflated because they are normally due to the RB running him over 5+ yards past the line of scrimmage.

Teams are gonna run right at him.

We probably have the worst starting ILBs in the NFL and even worse depth.

The question we need to ask is simple,” Are we better equipped to stop Jacksonville from running at us now then when we last saw them?”

[Slapstick]

The answer is yes...until a starter and his immediate backup are hurt in the same game well after the trade deadline...

[Ernie]

Id have to agree with Slappy on this one.

[Ernie]

Also need to mention that a healthy Tuitt...Alualu in his second year with the squad, Hargrave in his 3rd year... TJ Watt in his second year...addition of Morgan Burnett...should be better than what we had the last time we played the JAGS.
Its not just the ILB corp.. I think the entire D is better equipped to stop the run.

[hawaiiansteel]

Browns to sign Mychal Kendricks

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 3, 2018

At a time when free agent signings have slowed to a trickle, the Browns are still bolstering their defense.

Free agent linebacker Mychal Kendricks will sign a one-year deal to play the 2018 season in Cleveland, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

Kendricks had a busy week last week, visiting the Browns as well as the Vikings and Raiders. He was released by the Eagles the week before and immediately started drawing interest.

The 27-year-old Kendricks started 13 games for the Eagles last season. He has played his entire six-year career in Philadelphia.

Kendricks joins a deep linebacker corps that also includes Jamie Collins, Christian Kirksey, Joe Schobert, James Burgess and fifth-round rookie Genard Avery.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/03/browns-to-sign-mychal-kendricks/

[Ernie]

I know some are going to respond by saying "The Browns are the Browns"...and that may be true until they turn the corner.

You've gotta admit though...their roster is loaded with talent.

[steelz09]

I can't believe anyone is dumb enough to believe Colbert about the ILB situation. Take off the Steelers Goggles for once.

Big Red starting?!?! Are you freaking kidding me? Our ILB situation is a damn joke and Colbert knows it... Or SHOULD know.

Christ, last year Colbert tried to sign Hightower with Shazier and Vince Williams as the starters! Clearly, Hightower would have replaced Williams as the starter.

So, just last year, Colbert wasnt sold on Williams as the starter (who isn't that bad) but somehow, 1 year later, after losing your best ILB to injury (Shazier), he's satisfied with Matakevich and Williams?!?

By that logic, Colbert is saying...

Matakevich/Bostic and Williams is better than Williams and Shazier.

Colbert is lying and for some reason, ppl are ignorant enough to believe it.

[Slapstick]

I think your logic is faulty...

It has to do with the caliber of player Hightower was believed to be as opposed to the caliber of player available to sign or draft this year...

[Steel Maniac]

I know some are going to respond by saying "The Browns are the Browns"...and that may be true until they turn the corner.

You've gotta admit though...their roster is loaded with talent.

Browns are hitting way more then missing now in their moves. I've seen a couple of site that actually say the Browns have a shot at a wildcard position. So others too are seeing some good moves from the Browns. It's not just a couple of us in Steeler world.

[Steel Maniac]

I can't believe anyone is dumb enough to believe Colbert about the ILB situation. Take off the Steelers Goggles for once.

Big Red starting?!?! Are you freaking kidding me? Our ILB situation is a damn joke and Colbert knows it... Or SHOULD know.

Christ, last year Colbert tried to sign Hightower with Shazier and Vince Williams as the starters! Clearly, Hightower would have replaced Williams as the starter.

So, just last year, Colbert wasnt sold on Williams as the starter (who isn't that bad) but somehow, 1 year later, after losing your best ILB to injury (Shazier), he's satisfied with Matakevich and Williams?!?

By that logic, Colbert is saying...

Matakevich/Bostic and Williams is better than Williams and Shazier.

Colbert is lying and for some reason, ppl are ignorant enough to believe it.

Yep.. I too think Colbert is selling us a bunch of magic beans at the ILB position. Matakevich is good for tackles.... after 5 yards down the field. Williams too. Please refer to Fornettes's 18 yard TD run in our playoff game against the Jags and see just how great Williams is.

A lot of posters want to believe it because they are wearing Black & Gold glasses but the truth is our gut is just as weak as it was the last day we played the Jags. The good thing is that if you look at our schedule, who's going to go at us that physical on our schedule other then the Jags?

But when the playoffs roll around, that weakness will be re-exposed again.

[Buzz]

Yep.. I too think Colbert is selling us a bunch of magic beans at the ILB position. Matakevich is good for tackles.... after 5 yards down the field. Williams too. Please refer to Fornettes's 18 yard TD run in our playoff game against the Jags and see just how great Williams is.

A lot of posters want to believe it because they are wearing Black & Gold glasses but the truth is our gut is just as weak as it was the last day we played the Jags.



I think we should be at least a little stronger than when we played the Jags, but I too am concerned about whether we'll be strong enough inside to make it through playoff competition. And our depth at ILB is terribly shaky. There's a good chance that Sean Spence (shudder) could be on the field for us again before the season is over.

[Steel Maniac]

There's a good chance that Sean Spence (shudder) could be on the field for us again before the season is over.

My eyes teared up when I read this. Please...say it isn't so?
I'm going to hold it against Colbert/Tomlin for not signing Kendricks if we get ran thru like a hot knife thru butter again in the playoffs.

[RuthlessBurgher]

For those so concerned that we didn't sign Kendricks...

Three ILBs had the following stats last year:
A. 97 tackles, 1 sack, 3 passes defensed (drafted in 2013)
B. 89 tackles, 8 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 1 interception (drafted in 2013)
C. 77 tackles, 2 sacks, 6 passes defensed (drafted in 2012)

It's Jon Bostic, Vince Williams, and Mychal Kendricks in that order. And the defending Super Bowl Champs cut Kendricks the day AFTER fellow LB Paul Worrilow was lost for the year with a torn ACL in OTAs.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

For those so concerned that we didn't sign Kendricks...

Three ILBs had the following stats last year:
A. 97 tackles, 1 sack, 3 passes defensed (drafted in 2013)
B. 89 tackles, 8 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 1 interception (drafted in 2013)
C. 77 tackles, 2 sacks, 6 passes defensed (drafted in 2012)

It's Jon Bostic, Vince Williams, and Mychal Kendricks in that order. And the defending Super Bowl Champs cut Kendricks the day AFTER fellow LB Paul Worrilow was lost for the year with a torn ACL in OTAs.

I don't follow Kendrdicks closely, with stats like that why is everyone so big on him?

[Buzz]

I don't follow Kendrdicks closely, with stats like that why is everyone so big on him?

Kendricks was in on a lot fewer snaps (only about 60% of the Eagles' total defensive plays in 2017) than the other two, because he was a backup in Philly, behind Jordan Hicks and Nigel Bradham, until Hicks was injured in October. But now that Shazier is down, I think he's better than any ILB on our roster.

If reports are correct, Cleveland got him for about $3.5 million for one year. Seems plenty affordable, and even if the Steelers didn't envision him as a starter, he would've been a tremendous depth/rotational player. Our depth at the position sucks. If we have an injury or two this season, we'll be wishing we'd signed Hendricks while we're scouring couches for the Sean Spences of football.

[Buzz]

And the defending Super Bowl Champs cut Kendricks the day AFTER fellow LB Paul Worrilow was lost for the year with a torn ACL in OTAs.

Not according to the reports I read. Kendricks was cut, and THEN Worrilow tore his ACL.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23573860/philadelphia-eagles-release-veteran-mychal-kendricks-lose-paul-worrilow-injury

[RuthlessBurgher]

Not according to the reports I read. Kendricks was cut, and THEN Worrilow tore his ACL.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23573860/philadelphia-eagles-release-veteran-mychal-kendricks-lose-paul-worrilow-injury

Apparently they both happened on the same day. But Kendricks release wasn't announced publicly until later in the day after the OTA's were done.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23573860/philadelphia-eagles-release-veteran-mychal-kendricks-lose-paul-worrilow-injury

ESPN picks Navorro Bowman to wind up with Steelers.

[steelz09]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23573860/philadelphia-eagles-release-veteran-mychal-kendricks-lose-paul-worrilow-injury

ESPN picks Navorro Bowman to wind up with Steelers.

He would instantly be our best ILB even with his age and previous injuries. Depending on the development of Dupree and Watt, Bowman might be better than all of our LBs.

Note: I hope that won't be the case because I have high hopes for Watt and I'm not ready to give up on Dupree. I'll give Dupree one more year (and hopefully he stays healthy).

[Steel Maniac]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the type of guy we need. A hard nose, knock the snot out of you type of linebacker; especially since JH is gone.

[phillyesq]

If the Steelers weren't interested in Kendricks at the modest price he got from the Browns, I don't see them signing Bowman unless somebody gets hurt. I think they are going to roll with what they have. For what it's worth, I've read a lot of reports saying that Dirty Red is showing really good range in OTAs, better than what they've seen before.

[Steel Maniac]

If the Steelers weren't interested in Kendricks at the modest price he got from the Browns, I don't see them signing Bowman unless somebody gets hurt. I think they are going to roll with what they have. For what it's worth, I've read a lot of reports saying that Dirty Red is showing really good range in OTAs, better than what they've seen before.

Go around the league, what team is saying ANYONE is looking bad in OTA's?

My point is that we can't trust those OTA reports. What I do trust is what we saw last year from a guy in the league two years already.

[Buzz]

If the Steelers weren't interested in Kendricks at the modest price he got from the Browns, I don't see them signing Bowman unless somebody gets hurt. I think they are going to roll with what they have.
I think you're right about that.


For what it's worth, I've read a lot of reports saying that Dirty Red is showing really good range in OTAs, better than what they've seen before.
I read those same reports ... I just can't see how he would suddenly, in one offseason, pick up enough speed to be effective in the mack role. Maybe he did. That would be great. I know it's one thing to be blowing it up in OTAs, and another thing to actually be able to perform in an NFL game, against an NFL offense. As I've said before, I think Matakevich would be OK at the Buck, but color me skeptical that he can really handle the Mack. Hope he proves me wrong, because I like the kid.

[Buzz]

Go around the league, what team is saying ANYONE is looking bad in OTA's?


Exactly. Every year, there are plenty of OTA superstars who don't do much once the real action gets underway.

[Slapstick]

But, but, who cares what other teams are doing at OTAs! We’re the Steelers! We have higher expectations of our organized team activities!!

[phillyesq]

Go around the league, what team is saying ANYONE is looking bad in OTA's?

My point is that we can't trust those OTA reports. What I do trust is what we saw last year from a guy in the league two years already.

Nobody really criticizes anybody in OTAs, but that doesn't mean that positive reports are without merit. Mike Hilton got a lot of buzz last year starting in OTAs.

[phillyesq]

I think you're right about that.


I read those same reports ... I just can't see how he would suddenly, in one offseason, pick up enough speed to be effective in the mack role. Maybe he did. That would be great. I know it's one thing to be blowing it up in OTAs, and another thing to actually be able to perform in an NFL game, against an NFL offense. As I've said before, I think Matakevich would be OK at the Buck, but color me skeptical that he can really handle the Mack. Hope he proves me wrong, because I like the kid.

That surprised me, too. His best attributes are his instincts / ability to diagnose plays and his tackling - he is a very solid, wrap-up tackler. I don't see him as a mack - I see him as more of a buck. And really, what I'm hoping is that if he has to replace either VW or Bostic for a few games, that he can do so competently. I think he has that ability.

[RuthlessBurgher]

If we run more 4-3 concepts with Hargrave as a 1-technique NT, Tuitt a 3-technique DT, Heyward a strongside DE, and Dupree swapping sides with Watt to be a weakside DE, then you'd have Watt as the Sam backer, Vince as the Mike backer, and Bostic as the Will backer.

If Vince gets hurt, they can fill his spot with Matakevich.

But if Bostic gets hurt, they have a variety of options, not only just the same Dirty Red plan.

If we want a more rangy backer option, they can replace him with a Terrell Edmunds or Marcus Allen (both very similar in size to former college safeties Deone Buchanon and Mark Barron who are now NFL LB's).

If they want a more stout backer option, they could even move Watt over to the Will and insert Chickillo as the Sam.

[Steel Maniac]

If we run more 4-3 concepts with Hargrave as a 1-technique NT, Tuitt a 3-technique DT, Heyward a strongside DE, and Dupree swapping sides with Watt to be a weakside DE, then you'd have Watt as the Sam backer, Vince as the Mike backer, and Bostic as the Will backer.

If Vince gets hurt, they can fill his spot with Matakevich.

But if Bostic gets hurt, they have a variety of options, not only just the same Dirty Red plan.

If we want a more rangy backer option, they can replace him with a Terrell Edmunds or Marcus Allen (both very similar in size to former college safeties Deone Buchanon and Mark Barron who are now NFL LB's).

If they want a more stout backer option, they could even move Watt over to the Will and insert Chickillo as the Sam.

So Ruth,

Are you saying that your satisfied with the current personal group that we have?

[RuthlessBurgher]

So Ruth,

Are you saying that your satisfied with the current personal group that we have?

I would not be opposed to adding some ILB depth, whether it's NaVorro Bowman, Lawrence Timmons, or Gerald Hodges. But the team may be willing to see what they have in intriguing UDFA LB's such as Matthew Thomas and Ola Adeniyi first, once the pads actually come on in Latrobe.

[Steel Maniac]

Hopefully we won't have any more injuries.

[Slapstick]

The problem with Dupree seems to be his instincts...if he flips sides and plays as a 4-3 DE, then that allows him to have simpler run defense responsibilities and rush the passer more than dropping (he dropped
more last year than just about any OLB)...Watt has better instincts and can also play off the ball...he can also rush the passer...

[Steel Maniac]

The problem with Dupree seems to be his instincts...if he flips sides and plays as a 4-3 DE, then that allows him to have simpler run defense responsibilities and rush the passer more than dropping (he dropped
more last year than just about any OLB)...Watt has better instincts and can also play off the ball...he can also rush the passer...

If instincts are his core problem then we can flip him like a hamburger and nothing will change.

[Slapstick]

If instincts are his core problem then we can flip him like a hamburger and nothing will change.

Only if his responsibilities remain the same...

[RuthlessBurgher]

If instincts are his core problem then we can flip him like a hamburger and nothing will change.

The responsibilities for a strongside OLB in a 3-4 and a weakside DE in a 4-3 are light years apart.

I'd much rather have the guy who is dripping with athleticism but hasn't seemed to put it all together yet (Dupree) have his hand on the ground with simplified responsibilities and the guy combining a tremendous motor with high football IQ and excellent instincts (Watt) playing off the ball where he can read and react based on the situation and either blitz or drop into coverage or fill the gap against the run with equal aplomb.

[phillyesq]

I would not be opposed to adding some ILB depth, whether it's NaVorro Bowman, Lawrence Timmons, or Gerald Hodges. But the team may be willing to see what they have in intriguing UDFA LB's such as Matthew Thomas and Ola Adeniyi first, once the pads actually come on in Latrobe.

Those guys would make sense, but only if they were going to be a starter. If the Steelers weren't going to sign Kendricks for $3.5 million, I think they are moving into the season with Bostic and VW as starters.

I can't imagine Bowman or Timmons playing on special teams at this age. As we saw with Harrison last year, you can't have backup LBers that don't play special teams.

In case of an injury, those guys are probably the first call. But I'd be really surprised if they were signed by the Steelers absent an injury.

[Slapstick]

The responsibilities for a strongside OLB in a 3-4 and a weakside DE in a 4-3 are light years apart.

I'd much rather have the guy who is dripping with athleticism but hasn't seemed to put it all together yet (Dupree) have his hand on the ground with simplified responsibilities and the guy combining a tremendous motor with high football IQ and excellent instincts (Watt) playing off the ball where he can read and react based on the situation and either blitz or drop into coverage or fill the gap against the run with equal aplomb.

It also puts Bud back into the position he played his last two years at Kentucky: DE...possibly a more natural position...

[RuthlessBurgher]

Ex-Steelers LB, and Free Agent, Lawrence Timmons staying positive back in South Carolina

Could a healthy L.T. follow in James Harrison’s footsteps by returning to Pittsburgh to help bolster the Steelers at linebacker?

By Bill Dundas
Jun 9, 2018, 7:22am EDT

It’s no secret that the Pittsburgh Steelers have some significant questions at the inside linebacker position as they look forward to the opening of their summer training camp. And the Steelers’ organization has at least some history of bringing back players who have excelled for them in the past. That’s why the availability of a healthy and rested Lawrence Timmons poses some intriguing questions for the Steelers’ coaches and front office.

These days, Timmons has returned to his roots in Florence, SC, where he hosted a free youth football camp at Wilson High School (his alma mater) on June 2nd. Interviewed there by Florence News reporter Scott Chancey, Timmons was upbeat about his current circumstance as a free agent.

“I’ve just got to wait it out and keep working out and see where it gets me, and hope for the best,” he said. The 32-year-old, former Steelers linebacker has stacked up some impressive numbers during his NFL career, including 735 tackles, 35 ½ sacks and 12 interceptions. One of LT’s picks which may stand out in the memory of Steelers Nation is the one he returned 89 yards for a touchdown in 2008 against New England.

Timmons clearly still has a love for football and the conviction that he can bring some valuable qualities to an NFL team seeking help at his position. But for the time being at least, “patience” is Lawrence’s watchword. “I’ve never been through this before, so I don’t know. This is a first for me,” he said. “I’ve got to wait it out and see how it goes. Just keep it positive — that’s all I’m trying to do.”

In addition to his skills as a player and many years of NFL experience, Timmons hinted he might have a preference for his next — and perhaps final — stop on his NFL journey. “Pittsburgh has always been a home to me,” he said. “I’d been there for 10 years, so it’s all love there.”

Obviously, some attractive intangibles are attached to the prospect of the Steelers bringing back their former No. 94. His familiarity with the organization and his former Black-and-gold teammates is one. Additionally, Timmons always had a reputation as a solid character guy who brings a positive vibe to the locker room.

It’s difficult to evaluate exactly how much Timmons has left in his tank these days, but his stint with the Miami Dolphins (84 tackles and zero sacks) indicates he’s probably still capable of producing at a level comparable to what we saw during his last season (2016) in Pittsburgh. That's why, when the discussion turns to the Steelers’ current linebacker needs, and in view of the other veteran free agents currently available at his position, Timmons certainly deserves to be considered as a reasonable possibility.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2018/6/9/17433800/ex-steelers-lb-and-free-agent-lawrence-timmons-staying-positive-back-in-south-carolina-rumors-news

[Steel Maniac]

I can understand him wanting to come back. But it seems like there will be better candidates then him to bring in. But, there's something to be said about a guy who knows the culture, locker room.

[feltdizz]

Seems like a no brainer to bring Timmons back. Of course we need to see if anything else is out there but he is the easiest plug and play of any LB in the NFL right now.

[Buzz]

For years?

Isn’t this Matakevitch’s third year?

Was anyone really saying that about a 7th round rookie two years ago? Or last year with his injured shoulder?

??
Was this answer meant to go in the other thread?

[Steel Maniac]

Seems like a no brainer to bring Timmons back. Of course we need to see if anything else is out there but he is the easiest plug and play of any LB in the NFL right now.

Depending on what he has left in the tank. I still have my eye on Navarro Bowman.

[feltdizz]

Depending on what he has left in the tank. I still have my eye on Navarro Bowman.

I’m thinking depth. Would be nice to have a top rated LB but I doubt that happens.

Will be interesting to to see where these vets go and for how much as we get closer to the season.

[Disco1981]

Gerald Hodges is still out there...Whata y'all think of him?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Those were the 3 names I had left...Bowman, Timmons, and Hodges.

[Oviedo]

I can understand him wanting to come back. But it seems like there will be better candidates then him to bring in. But, there's something to be said about a guy who knows the culture, locker room.

Who better is available?

[RuthlessBurgher]

2018 Remaining NFL Free Agents: Who’s left, should the Steelers need to add to their defense

BTSC examines the guys on defense who need jobs, and if they would be a possibility in Steel City.

By Bryan Anthony Davis
Jun 12, 2018, 8:10am EDT

As stated in Part One, the free-agent bonanza in the NFL typically happens in March, but there are still valuable and viable options for the Steelers to enhance their already talented 2018 roster. Perhaps one of these men can help and, more importantly, fit this budget-conscious team.

BTSC previously examined the available players on offense that might be possibilities for the Pittsburgh Steelers. In some cases, they don’t have needs at the positions involved. In this second installment, we will examine the defensive side of the ball and whether or not they would be realistic and helpful options for the Black-and-gold. With the salary cap space always being an issue, we realize that not every player would be a possibility. But the following are the best at each position that free agency has to offer at this late juncture.

Defensive Line

Best Remaining: DT Johnathan Hankins - Indianapolis

Other Options: 4-3 DE Robert Ayers - Tampa Bay, DT Alan Branch - New England, 4-3 DE Ryan Davis - Buffalo, 3-4 DE Karl Klug - Tennessee, 4-3 DE Courtney Upshaw - Atlanta, 3-4 DE Quinton Dial - Green Bay

Tyson Alualu provided some very valuable depth along the defensive line last year. With Cam Heyward, Stephon Tuitt and Javon Hargrave entrenched as starters and Alualu subbing now and then, the defensive line isn’t as high a priority to upgrade as other units. A guy like the 30-year old Klug (13 tackles, 1.5 sacks in 2017) would be a decent and inexpensive option, while Hankins (2.0 sacks in 2017) might be too pricey for his lack of production. The likelihood for either one is doubtful, as Pittsburgh could get that type of production out of a young player with upside like L.T. Walton or Lavon Hooks.

Outside Linebacker

Best Remaining: Connor Barwin - Los Angeles Rams

Other Options: Junior Galette - Washington, Tamba Hali - Kansas City, Ahmad Brooks - Green Bay, Lamarr Houston - Chicago

It wouldn’t be a terrible thing if the Steelers were to add depth at OLB. The situation is solid on one side with T.J. Watt, but Bud Dupree hasn’t exactly set the world on fire and he’s got a lot to prove in his fourth season. After Bud, there’s even more of a dropoff. Galette (20 tackles/three sacks) has had injuries and off-field problems and just isn’t worth it with his low production. Maybe a one-year contract for a veteran hand like Houston (five sacks) or Barwin (five sacks) could be helpful, but you do run the risk of them being too deep into the twilight of their careers, like Hali.

Inside Linebacker

Best Remaining: NaVorro Bowman - Oakland

Other Options: Brian Cushing - Houston, Lawrence Timmons - Miami

A lot of fans wish the Steelers would find the cap space to take a flyer on Bowman (80 tackles/one INT), since they didn’t definitively address their ILB deficiencies in the draft. However, he’s got a troubling injury history. The team may be content with just bringing in Jon Bostic and having a healthy Tyler Matakevich. Will that be enough to help a position that was severely lacking after Ryan Shazier went down? That seems to be the most pressing concern. Timmons (58 tackles) is still a possibility at the veteran-minimum, that seems as likely a scenario as any. Steelers Nation has been split on that possibility though.

Cornerback

Best Remaining: Bashaud Breeland - Washington

Other Options: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - New York Giants, Jeremy Lane - Seattle, Kayvon Webster - Los Angeles Rams, Delvin Breaux - New Orleans

Carolina considered Breeland too damaged and nullified their three-year deal for $24 million. The Steelers would probably steer clear of the fifth-year corner for that reason and his price tag as well. The Steelers have talent and questions with their current group of corners, but they’re going to ride Joe Haden and try to develop Artie Burns more. Cam Sutton and Mike Hilton have shown great promise too. A younger player like Lane could contribute, but showed little last year with the Seahawks. Meanwhile, the veteran DRC (No interceptions in 2017) is showing decline and nearing his career climax. The Steelers will probably not pursue any corners in the late preseason.

Safety

Best Remaining: Eric Reid - San Francisco

Other Options: Kenny Vaccaro - New Orleans, Tre Boston - Los Angeles Chargers, Tyvon Branch - Arizona, Mike Mitchell - Pittsburgh, T.J. Ward - Tampa Bay

This is the most talented position group remaining, with Reid and Vaccaro topping the list. But the Steelers really addressed safety during the off-season/draft by adding Morgan Burnett, Nat Behre, Terrell Edmunds and Marcus Allen. With Sean Davis and Malik Golden already in the fold, there isn’t really a reason to add here.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2018/6/12/17437502/2018-remaining-nfl-free-agents-whos-left-should-the-steelers-need-to-add-to-their-defense-news-rumor

[feltdizz]

Who better is available?

Bowman might be a better athlete at this point in his career BUT Timmons knowledge of the D probably gives him the overall advantage

[Buzz]

Bowman might be a better athlete at this point in his career BUT Timmons knowledge of the D probably gives him the overall advantage

I'd rather have the one who's the better athlete. Being a veteran player, he should be able to pick up the knowledge of the D fairly quickly.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Jeremy Fowler
ESPN Staff Writer

LB Tyler Matakevich, who's had a good offseason, tried to play through a torn labrum in 2017. Vince Williams is a believer: "Everybody hates on Tyler," he said. "I don't know why people don't think he's an NFL linebacker. The man won a Butkus award at the college level. He can make plays."

[Steel Maniac]

Jeremy Fowler
ESPN Staff Writer

LB Tyler Matakevich, who's had a good offseason, tried to play through a torn labrum in 2017. Vince Williams is a believer: "Everybody hates on Tyler," he said. "I don't know why people don't think he's an NFL linebacker. The man won a Butkus award at the college level. He can make plays."

Oh..and Vince Williams is such a great player that he can judge? LOL. :rolleyes:
Seeing is believing.
Tyler will get his chance to prove it on the field.
Seeing is believing.

[Slapstick]

Oh..and Vince Williams is such a great player that he can judge? LOL. :rolleyes:
Seeing is believing.
Tyler will get his chance to prove it on the field.
Seeing is believing.

Well, he does see him in practice every day. I would imagine he’s better qualified than just about anybody on this board...

[feltdizz]

Well, he does see him in practice every day. I would imagine he’s better qualified than just about anybody on this board...

student of the game Slap

[Steel Maniac]

Well, he does see him in practice every day. I would imagine he’s better qualified than just about anybody on this board...

Hmmm... a 9-5 guy can’t advise Warren Buffet how to rich. Lol

[Steel Maniac]

student of the game Slap

Yeah.. I am. That’s why you ran from that thread and the points I made and had to hang on to the “ student of the game” phrase. You couldn’t argue with my facts.

[feltdizz]

Yeah.. I am. That’s why you ran from that thread and the points I made and had to hang on to the “ student of the game” phrase. You couldn’t argue with my facts.

There are no facts, you are calling your opinion facts.

we aren't going to agree on this, you won't even admit you made the mistake of saying Dobbs wasn't a running QB.

If you can't admit something like that what's the point of debating Lamar Jackson?

You swear he is RG3 while I think he will be more Cam Newton. All we can do is wait and see.

and you really are starting to sound like Squid. You sure you aren't him?

[RuthlessBurgher]

There are no facts, you are calling your opinion facts.

we aren't going to agree on this, you won't even admit you made the mistake of saying Dobbs wasn't a running QB.

If you can't admit something like that what's the point of debating Lamar Jackson?

You swear he is RG3 while I think he will be more Cam Newton. All we can do is wait and see.

and you really are starting to sound like Squid. You sure you aren't him?

Debate Baker Mayfield next! Who wants the "Johnny Manziel" side and who wants the "Doug Flutie" side? :p

[feltdizz]

Debate Baker Mayfield next! Who wants the "Johnny Manziel" side and who wants the "Doug Flutie" side? :p

Dude keeps saying he is right and it's facts because of players who aren't Lamar Jackson who didn't pan out.

Not doing that dance again.

[phillyesq]

I’m thinking depth. Would be nice to have a top rated LB but I doubt that happens.

Will be interesting to to see where these vets go and for how much as we get closer to the season.

We saw this last year with Harrison. A veteran "depth" linebacker who isn't going to play special teams won't get a hat on game day. If a starter gets hurt, yes, call Timmons. But I think the Steelers are going into the season with Bostic and VW as the starters.

[Steel Maniac]

We saw this last year with Harrison. A veteran "depth" linebacker who isn't going to play special teams won't get a hat on game day. If a starter gets hurt, yes, call Timmons. But I think the Steelers are going into the season with Bostic and VW as the starters.
Yeah...they are; heaven help us all

[Slapstick]

Only 196 tackles between the two of them last year...we’re doomed...

[Steel Maniac]

Only 196 tackles between the two of them last year...we’re doomed...

Please refer to Fornette's 18 yard TD run in the playoffs to see what our concerns are about. :smile:

Love you Slap. :smile:

[Slapstick]

Please refer to Fornette's 18 yard TD run in the playoffs to see what our concerns are about. :smile:

Love you Slap. :smile:

If it makes you feel better, Fournette recorded 20 carries for 57 yards when the Jags played the Jon Bostic led Colts last season...

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Debate Baker Mayfield next! Who wants the "Johnny Manziel" side and who wants the "Doug Flutie" side? :p

Seems like either way he'll end up in the CFL. :D

[Steel Maniac]

If it makes you feel better, Fournette recorded 20 carries for 57 yards when the Jags played the Jon Bostic led Colts last season...

Wow..I wish I could get all those Colt defenders on our team when we play the Jags. But unfortunately we are stuck with only one of them. LOL

[NorthCoast]

Honestly just hoping the Steelers have a better injury backup plan than getting Spence off the couch again.

[Slapstick]

Wow..I wish I could get all those Colt defenders on our team when we play the Jags. But unfortunately we are stuck with only one of them. LOL

That one will just have to do...

[hawaiiansteel]

Journeyman Bostic Says Steelers Are ‘Like One Big Family’

By Matthew Marczi
Posted on June 16, 2018

Jon Bostic has truly earned the term ‘journeyman’, which need not be a pejorative, even if it is not a positive sign for a former second-round draft pick to be playing in his fifth different organization this early into his career.

Drafted by the Chicago Bears in 2013, he was traded to the New England Patriots during the 2015 season. The Patriots then in turn traded him to the Detroit Lions in 2016. He suffered a foot injury during a joint practice with the Pittsburgh Steelers in training camp that put him on injured reserve, but he came back with his best and most complete season in 2017 with the Indianapolis Colts.

So Bostic has spent a decent chunk of time now with four different organizations, the Steelers being his fifth. He knows better than most whether or not there is much of a difference in the makeup of the locker room culture around the league.

He told Teresa Varley that there is.

“Whether it’s offensive or defensive guys, everybody bonds. It’s like one big family”, he said. “You don’t get that everywhere. To be honest, it sets teams apart”. This is a sentiment that has often been shared by players who have signed here after playing with other teams—often players who previously had a stint in Pittsburgh, only to see that the grass was not greener elsewhere.

“When you are around guys you learn each other, how you think, how he thinks”, Bostic continued. “In games you can get to that point where I look at you and know exactly what you are going to say, when you look at me you know exactly what I am going to say. When you are around guys, you start to learn them”.

He is hoping to learn his teammates pretty quickly because it is his intention to be a starter in 2018 after he signed a two-year contract to join the Steelers worth $4 million. He spent the spring practices, according to reporters, and to the man ahead of him, working behind Tyler Matakevich, but should get his opportunity to get first-team reps and compete for the starting job during training camp and the preseason.

Bostic played in and started 14 games for the Colts last season before suffering a foot injury that the Colts deemed significant enough to hold him out of the final two games, given that they were not a competitive team, though he himself said he was healthy enough to return for the season finale.

He recorded 97 tackles along with three passes defensed and a sack that year. In all, he has started 32 games, recording 240 tackles, three sacks, one interception, and seven passes defensed over the course of his five-year NFL career, which of course includes a season lost due to injury.


http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/06/journeyman-bostic-says-steelers-are-like-one-big-family/

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Honestly just hoping the Steelers have a better injury backup plan than getting Spence off the couch again.

Yeah, this is a concern.

[Ernie]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/06/despite-criticism-steelers-view-tyler-matakevich-as-playmaker/

[Ernie]

https://stillcurtain.com/2018/06/16/pittsburgh-steelers-tyler-matakevich-answer/

[feltdizz]

Please tap the video icon and place the link inside.

[fordfixer]

https://stillcurtain.com/2018/06/16/pittsburgh-steelers-tyler-matakevich-answer/

https://stillcurtain.com/2018/06/16/pittsburgh-steelers-tyler-matakevich-answer/

[Steel Maniac]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/06/despite-criticism-steelers-view-tyler-matakevich-as-playmaker/

He better be!!

[Ernie]

Please tap the video icon and place the link inside.

you know its bad when folks complain about having to copy and paste something.

[NorthCoast]

Easy to look good in shorts. Let's see how he looks in training and preseason. There are guys in the NFL that overcome talent deficiencies by being a lot smarter to the ball. If he can be a reincarnate of Farrior, would you take that? I would.

[Slapstick]

Easy to look good in shorts. Let's see how he looks in training and preseason. There are guys in the NFL that overcome talent deficiencies by being a lot smarter to the ball. If he can be a reincarnate of Farrior, would you take that? I would.

If he could be another Larry Foote, I would take that...

[hawaiiansteel]

Gerry Dulac's Steelers chat transcript: 6.20.18

GERRY DULAC
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
JUN 20, 2018

Rob Rogers: Reports of Big Red getting work with the first team during pre-training camp practices. Case of new guy [Bostic] still getting acclimated or is the starting ILB position up for grabs?

Gerry Dulac: Little of both. But I think it's a telling sign that Bostic wasn't immedioately inserted as the starter. Means he's nothing special


http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/06/20/Gerry-Dulac-Steelers-chat-6-20-18/stories/201806200124

[Steel Maniac]

Gerry Dulac's Steelers chat transcript: 6.20.18

GERRY DULAC
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
JUN 20, 2018

Rob Rogers: Reports of Big Red getting work with the first team during pre-training camp practices. Case of new guy [Bostic] still getting acclimated or is the starting ILB position up for grabs?

Gerry Dulac: Little of both. But I think it's a telling sign that Bostic wasn't immedioately inserted as the starter. Means he's nothing special


http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/06/20/Gerry-Dulac-Steelers-chat-6-20-18/stories/201806200124

This is dissapointing. Navarro Bowman's agent's number needs to be on speed dial. Just saying....

[feltdizz]

Gerry Dulac's Steelers chat transcript: 6.20.18

GERRY DULAC
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
JUN 20, 2018

Rob Rogers: Reports of Big Red getting work with the first team during pre-training camp practices. Case of new guy [Bostic] still getting acclimated or is the starting ILB position up for grabs?

Gerry Dulac: Little of both. But I think it's a telling sign that Bostic wasn't immedioately inserted as the starter. Means he's nothing special


http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/06/20/Gerry-Dulac-Steelers-chat-6-20-18/stories/201806200124

why would Bostic immediately be inserted during OTA's?

Dude is probably still learning the playbook

[Oviedo]

why would Bostic immediately be inserted during OTA's?

Dude is probably still learning the playbook

Dulac is almost as stupid as Boutette with some of the stuff he spews to fill up space. OTAs are non contact and show nothing.

[RuthlessBurgher]

This is dissapointing. Navarro Bowman's agent's number needs to be on speed dial. Just saying....

This is three threads now where you are accepting Dulac's chat answers as gospel. No one's even put on pads this season yet...

[Steel Maniac]

This is dissapointing. Navarro Bowman's agent's number needs to be on speed dial. Just saying....

This is disappointing. Navarro Bowman's agent's number needs to be on speed dial. Just saying...

"Just saying" is another way of saying just in case.

[steelz09]

It has little to do with OTAs. Colbert said himself that if Big Red didn't get hurt last year, there might have been no discussion of needing to draft a starting ILB.

Big Red must have blackmail material on Colbert.

[Slapstick]

Or, he can actually play...

[Buzz]

Big ????'s at ILB, and yet, the position at which the Steelers reportedly are looking to add a veteran FA is ... wait for it ... WR.


https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Article/Pittsburgh-Steelers-may-sign-a-veteran-WR-before-start-of-regular-season-119228747/?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=180621_114834_Pittsburgh%20Steelers%2 0Newsletter&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=90-99-08-DA-7C-14-0D-96-C1-BB-13-70-0D-FB-56-2D180621_114834PittsburghSteelersNewsletter

[steelz09]

Or, he can actually play...

Not likely. Colbert hasn't been very stellar at evaluating defensive talent recently.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Big ????'s at ILB, and yet, the position at which the Steelers reportedly are looking to add a veteran FA is ... wait for it ... WR.


https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Article/Pittsburgh-Steelers-may-sign-a-veteran-WR-before-start-of-regular-season-119228747/?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=180621_114834_Pittsburgh%20Steelers%2 0Newsletter&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=90-99-08-DA-7C-14-0D-96-C1-BB-13-70-0D-FB-56-2D180621_114834PittsburghSteelersNewsletter

More wonderful insight from Gerry Dulac's Q&A!!!

By "looking to add a veteran WR" I assume that would be a reference to Eli Rogers potentially rejoining the team if he can pass a physical by the time the team reports to Latrobe a month from now.

AB, Juju, and Washington are your roster locks, with Hunter & DHB battling for the top backup outside WR, and Marcus Tucker & Eli battling for the top backup slot WR, with Quadree Henderson trying to toss his hat into the ring as a return specialist.

[Buzz]

More wonderful insight from Gerry Dulac's Q&A!!!

By "looking to add a veteran WR" I assume that would be a reference to Eli Rogers potentially rejoining the team if he can pass a physical by the time the team reports to Latrobe a month from now.

AB, Juju, and Washington are your roster locks, with Hunter & DHB battling for the top backup outside WR, and Marcus Tucker & Eli battling for the top backup slot WR, with Quadree Henderson trying to toss his hat into the ring as a return specialist.

My take on Dulac's speculation is that he was talking about the Steelers looking to add a veteran WR that is new to the team.

[hawaiiansteel]

My take on Dulac's speculation is that he was talking about the Steelers looking to add a veteran WR that is new to the team.

it's obviously Dez Bryant, because that's how the Steelers do free agency...:D

[Slapstick]

Not likely. Colbert hasn't been very stellar at evaluating defensive talent recently.

Maybe. He did okay with Watt, Shazier, and Tuitt (though the latter two were injured)...heck, Vince Williams played well last year, but people act like he didn’t do anything....

[Oviedo]

Not likely. Colbert hasn't been very stellar at evaluating defensive talent recently.

You do realize it is a group effort involving dozens of coaches and scouts...don't you? It's not like they don't know what they are doing or why would the Steelers always do well. It is an inexact science and you can never predict injuries like Shazier and Tuitt last year. Also when you draft as low as we normally do the margin for error is razor thin. This past draft was a perfect example where they clearly wanted a talented Inside LB (not a reach) but they couldn't get one because of how the draft played out.

[Steel Maniac]

Not likely. Colbert hasn't been very stellar at evaluating defensive talent recently.

Especially in the secondary. How crappy has that secondary been since Troy left? How many guys has he drafted for that secondary since? Did we make it to two Super Bowls with cowher's secondary players?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Especially in the secondary. How crappy has that secondary been since Troy left? How many guys has he drafted for that secondary since? Did we make it to two Super Bowls with cowher's secondary players?

The secondary has been completely revamped in a very short amount of time.

CB Artie Burns has been with the Steelers for only 2 seasons so far.
S Sean Davis has been with the Steelers for only 2 seasons so far.
CB Joe Haden has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Mike Hilton has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Cam Sutton has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Brian Allen has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
S Morgan Burnett has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Nat Berhe has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Terrell Edmunds has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Marcus Allen has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.

Whaddaya say we see what we have with these guys first, eh?

[Slapstick]

The secondary has been completely revamped in a very short amount of time.

CB Artie Burns has been with the Steelers for only 2 seasons so far.
S Sean Davis has been with the Steelers for only 2 seasons so far.
CB Joe Haden has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Mike Hilton has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Cam Sutton has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Brian Allen has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
S Morgan Burnett has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Nat Berhe has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Terrell Edmunds has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Marcus Allen has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.

Whaddaya say we see what we have with these guys first, eh?

What fun is that compared to jumping to conclusions?!?

[Steel Maniac]

The secondary has been completely revamped in a very short amount of time.

CB Artie Burns has been with the Steelers for only 2 seasons so far.
S Sean Davis has been with the Steelers for only 2 seasons so far.
CB Joe Haden has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Mike Hilton has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Cam Sutton has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
CB Brian Allen has been with the Steelers for only 1 season so far.
S Morgan Burnett has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Nat Berhe has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Terrell Edmunds has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.
S Marcus Allen has not played a single down with the Steelers yet.

Whaddaya say we see what we have with these guys first, eh?

Like I have a choice? LOL.

The secondary has been completely revamped. Your right. But the point was all the bodies that have been through there that have been let go or who were bust over the years.

We have a daunting schedule this year. We go up against some real QB's. So we will see. Here's hoping.

[Buzz]

Maybe. He did okay with Watt, Shazier, and Tuitt (though the latter two were injured)...heck, Vince Williams played well last year, but people act like he didn’t do anything....

I didn't think that VW played all that well after Shazier left. Granted, the loss of Shazier threw everything out of whack. But I've got to wonder if Bince will be able to do much without a dynamic Mack LB next to him.

[Steel Maniac]

What fun is that compared to jumping to conclusions?!?

I'm just going by Colbert's track record since Troy left. But hey, I'm agreeing with Steelz09; if you don't like it, why don't you take it up with him? :smile:

See how that works out for you. :smile:

[feltdizz]

I'm just going by Colbert's track record since Troy left. But hey, I'm agreeing with Steelz09; if you don't like it, why don't you take it up with him? :smile:

See how that works out for you. :smile:

what's Steelz09 going to do?

You act like he is going to show up at Slapsticks door and fight him.

No one is scared of him.. worst he can do is ban someone but he doesn't seem that petty.

[Slapstick]

what's Steelz09 going to do?

You act like he is going to show up at Slapsticks door and fight him.

No one is scared of him.. worst he can do is ban someone but he doesn't seem that petty.

He’s not. You have to go pretty far beyond disagreements to end up banned...JH is opinionated, but not petty...

[Steel Maniac]

what's Steelz09 going to do?

You act like he is going to show up at Slapsticks door and fight him.

No one is scared of him.. worst he can do is ban someone but he doesn't seem that petty.

Hey, i just said take it up with him. All that other stuff your adding in extra is on you. LOL

[feltdizz]

Hey, i just said take it up with him. All that other stuff your adding in extra is on you. LOL

sure thing buddy.. I almost believe you but you've stated multiple times how we are afraid of stlr09 because its his site.

But I take you at your word.

09 may not respond for a month or 3 when he's quoted so we rarely engage him.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I've got to wonder if Bince will be able to do much without a dynamic Mack LB next to him.

That's the glass half empty approach. The glass half full approach is "VW should do much more without a hole at mack next to him."

That's football. A player looks good playing beside a stud like Shazier. Same player looks like crap covering up a gaping hole when playing beside a couch potato. I'm guessing that he should be somewhere right in between this season whether playing with Bostic or Matakevich.

[Steel Maniac]

That's the glass half empty approach. The glass half full approach is "VW should do much more without a hole at mack next to him."

That's football. A player looks good playing beside a stud like Shazier. Same player looks like crap covering up a gaping hole when playing beside a couch potato. I'm guessing that he should be somewhere right in between this season whether playing with Bostic or Matakevich.

VW, dirty Red .. too me, they are just “Guys”. Nothing special about them. VW showed me everything I needed to see in the Jags playoff game. He was getting trucked over on the regular.

Watt and Shazier have been good; But Colbert seems to have struck out on Dupree.. and him in with JJ as bust.

[Slapstick]

VW, dirty Red .. too me, they are just “Guys”. Nothing special about them. VW showed me everything I needed to see in the Jags playoff game. He was getting trucked over on the regular.

Watt and Shazier have been good; But Colbert seems to have struck out on Dupree.. and him in with JJ as bust.

So, you only judge players on their single worst game...got it...

[Steel Maniac]

VW, dirty Red .. too me, they are just “Guys”. Nothing special about them. VW showed me everything I needed to see in the Jags playoff game. He was getting trucked over on the regular.

Watt and Shazier have been good; But Colbert seems to have struck out on Dupree.. and him in with JJ as bust.

I judge by the playoffs. That’s where the level of competition rises and because of that, if you succeed in the playoffs , then you know you’ve got game. Playoffs are where championships are won.

[feltdizz]

I judge by the playoffs. That’s where the level of competition rises and because of that, if you succeed in the playoffs , then you know you’ve got game. Playoffs are where championships are won.

Ricky Bobby would be proud.

[hawaiiansteel]

Ricky Bobby would be proud.

http://www.onallcylinders.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/16/ricky-bobby.jpeg

[hawaiiansteel]

Predicting the Steelers 53-man roster, by position: Inside Linebacker

By Jeff.Hartman
Jun 28, 2018

Today’s position: Inside Linebacker
Depth Chart/Roster:

Vince Williams
Tyler Matakevich
Jon Bostic
L.J. Fort
Matt Galambos
Matthew Thomas

Similar to the first position covered in this series, the safety position, the inside linebacker position is one of uncertainty. No one really knows who is going to play alongside Vince Williams when the regular season starts.

This may be something which won’t get decided until training camp/the preseason rolls around, but I have a feeling I know what the depth chart will look like, and how each player will fit into the team’s scheme when all is said and done, barring injury.

Starters:

Vince Williams — Williams has been somewhat of a scapegoat for Steelers fans this offseason, many believing he isn’t fast enough to play along side someone not named Ryan Shazier. I disagree. Sure, Williams has his limitations, but I feel he is more than capable on the inside of the defense for 2018.

Jon Bostic — Right now Jon Bostic has been behind Matakevich in offseason workouts, but I don’t expect that to last. Bostic is no Shazier, but his experience, and superior athleticism over Matakevich will make him the man on the inside when the games start counting.

Depth Player(s):

Tyler Matakevich — Matakevich might not be the fastest, or athletic, linebacker in the game, but he is an extremely intelligent player. He will be the backup at both inside linebacker positions in case someone were to go down with an injury.

Matthew Thomas — I am taking a flyer here on Thomas to make the team, strictly on potential and special teams play. The team could use Thomas’ 4.5 speed on special teams, and if he can keep his head on straight he will certainly be able to provide depth at the position. To make the team, and not just be a practice squad candidate, Thomas will have to beat out Fort who has experience on the former Florida State product.

Players to be Cut:

L.J. Fort
Matt Galambos

Roster Spots taken: 9/53


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